'>>61587047
>capable of flying
doubt.jpeg';

'Surely this one won't be vaporware';

'2/10';

'>>61587047
If the Su-75 is their attempt to make the X-32 I assume the MiG-41 will just be a YF-12 in Russian colors. That is what I am expecting at least. Unless they try to copy the XB-70 this time, which would be kinda based ngl';

'>>61587047
>will begin trials in 2025';

'>they shelved the Femboy in favor of this faggy thing
why are pidors like this?';

'>>61587144
That pic is the old prototype shape actually. They changed the back of it to look more stealthy

https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/sukhoi-reshapes-su-75-checkmate';

'>>61587047
Can't wait for NGAD to be unveiled so that the "global south" has a mental breakdown.';

'>>61587047
>trials in 2025
Yeah trials for the comrades who suggested such impossible goals. They need to focus on more achievable benchmarks instead of trying to one-up the west.
>onboard counter-warhead laser
The US is barely able to field that stuff on ships, much less aircraft.
>cruise speed of Mach 3
That flight regime requires purpose-designed engines and airframes, among other design challenges. That isn’t a bullet point on the list of requirements, that’s an end-goal design.
>stealth
You can get away with Mach 2 with composite airframes but Mach 3+ isn’t gonna happen. It might be stealthy but it won’t be immune to friction.';

'>>61587170
>that flight regime requires purpose-designed engines and airframes, among other design challenges. That isn’t a bullet point on the list of requirements, that’s an end-goal design.
It will be one of their hypersonic cruise missiles, watered down to make it slower and redesigned with a cockpit and some stubby wings for good measure. Something something smekalka';

'>>61587047
OMG
FIREFOX
FIRE
FOX
LASERS
AMERICA IS DONE FOR';

'>>61587278
>implying implications';

'>>61587278
that's the fun part: it's not';

'>>61587330
lol
lmao';

'I remember the concept for the Armata from a decade ago. That turned out well.';

'>>61587366
>3 guns>1 gun';

'>>61587047
>Mikoyan
lol, lmao even';

'>>61587047
>edge of space
I fucking hate this like no other. It's not even fucking half way to space.
>muh mig27 edge of space!
It's fucking 20km you god damn mouth breathing retards. That's LITERALLY 20% of the way to space.
IF MY DICK IS 20% INSIDE A PUSSY ITS NOT "ON THE EDGE OF HER CERVIX"';

'>>61587047
>> carry a laser than an shoot down incoming nuclear
Will it be the plane equivalent of pic. rel.?';

'Oh look, another Big Cyka Sukhoi. I too enjoy outlandish speculative fiction.';

'>>61587408
Could be, if she's got a prolapsed cervix. Hentai has told me that's a thing.';

'>>61587047
how many of these exist?';

'>>61587330
T14 when?';

'>>61587566
>T14 when?
Canceled';

'undefined';

'>>61587047
>Russia demonstrating 1970’s US technology that was developed and released 30 years ago
>likely won’t measure up to US technology from 30 years ago
>gonna win the war in Ukraine huhuhuhu';

'>>61587047
>>will begin trials in 2025
do i need a VR set for this DLC?';

'When are we getting any details on the NGAD? Loved the B-21 Raider stuff. I actually watched the stream of it when they showed off the front and eventually the whole thing.';

'>>61587047
>talks about some new MiG
>names file "mig-41"
>is just an Su-57
I'll believe it when I see it, which won't be for a while apparently.';

'>>61587585
So now then? Where are the armatas?';

'>it's the .jpg autist again
You need help fren. I mean it.';

'>>61587659
Oh it's this retard. Going to cry about airmen noticing you again?';

'>>61587047
I am the head of aeronautic development in Ghana aerospace. Next year we will start testing our new trippel eaglehawk mega fighter. It will be able to cruise at mach 10 and reach Uranus before needing a refuel. Internal weapon bay will be able to hold 20 tons worth of missiles. It will have an active camo system that will turn it invisible to both the naked eye and all radars.
The time of the west and Russia is over, Ghana shall rule all.';

'>>61587659
Lol the US is already manufacturing the LRHW and the HACM is still undergoing trials, cope seethe and dilate.
https://youtu.be/7cwHWJU_YKI?si=R46z1oKbnQYSJUED';

'>>61587047
Here's a leaked photo of the brand new Su-80 that will enter service in the Russian Air Force next Tuesday.';

'>>61587998
can we see any tests of chink/russoid "hypersonics"?';

'>>61587692
bot';

'>>61587047
>MiG-41
no such thing';

'It's hard to imagine there are people believing this shit
Russia has been overpromising and underdelivering for the past 80 years';

'>>61588194
>file name
Where is the "S"?';

'>>61587047
DESU this is what I imagine whenever someone's yapping about the new russian aircraft that will totally be operational soon';

'>>61588194
Tbf, the target audience for this stuff don't really qualify as people.';

'>>61587668
These are pretty recent, if the low-quality loyal wingman was actually I thing I bet the artist would've included it.';

'>>61588221
>Because they actually depend on it to work.
So, is this why T14 has gone from 2000 tanks in service by 2024 to not showing up anywhere and being labeled "too expensive" to use in actual war?';

'Speaking of PAKs, remember this one?';

'>>61588176
I think that you're a sub 90IQ spastic or a bot';

'>>61588176
You're more like a bot than he ever was, spastic';

'>>61587047
Can they just halt production of Flankers, only produce Su-57's and backport some of the radar tech to MiG-29/31's?

Same for PAK-DA or whatever, just give Tu-160's better electronics, stealth coatings and use long range hypersonics.';

'>>61588263
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Russia is a fucking joke.';

'>>61588256
She belongs to the U.S. Air Force. Not these cavemen vatnigs.';

'>>61588209
rumao';

'>>61588294
>PAK-DA
Cannot assemble a working fuselage without it constantly cracking, so it's a PAK-NYET
>Tu-160
Cannot produce new one either, ancient Sovok wunderwaffle tech';

'>>61587047
>>>/x/';

'>>61587581';

'>>61587278
>2025
>Taxi trials begin with a wooden mockup';

'>capable of flying
this can be hard one';

'>>61587047
Pity mighty puccia will be able to afford only half of one.';

'>>61587581
We need a wall on the internet and a wall in real life to cut off the turd world from the west. Disgusting.';

'Where are they?';

'>>61587047
>country that can't even domestically manufacture industrial grade ball bearings will be rolling out future tech aircraft next year

didn't they just effectively quietly shelve the Armata project';

'>>61588627
Guess that we are memory-holing this whole thing even existing given that it is one of the more major Russian MiC failures in recent times.';

'>>61587047
>>stealth capabilities exceeding the F-22
More than 3 decades behind us even in your fantasies...';

'>>61587507
Why would they hurry with NGAD?
Nobody has 5th gen, and you are already waiting on 6th gen?';

'>>61587047
They can't even produce the Armata, what makes you think they can even make these?';

'>>61587047
>SmallPinus-41
>youvideo
>0 footage of it's flying that is not a 3d render
lol lmao even';

'>>61588221
>so nothing works.
what you talking about retard? Too much vodka?';

'>>61587998
>LRHW and the HACM
>cancelled
Fucking idiot those those programs are successful, and the LRHW is being produced, oh and thanks for reminding me about the Mako, I totally forgot about that one, you will cope and seethe when they get eventually get mass produced. And they also work and don't get shot down by 50 year old missiles like the kinzhal kek.';

'>>61588013
>can we see any tests of chink/russoid "hypersonics"?
Here you go, and they get shot down by 50 year old PAC-3s btw lol. Oh and the chinkoid ones don't even fly since the propellants got replaced with water.';

'Western hypersonics are true manuverable air-breathing scramjets, hence why the Americans, British and French are taking so long with their legion of projects.
Eastern hypersonics, if not just straight out "trust me dude", are nowhere near Western projects, not only that but Russian Kinzhal is a copy of a half a century old US missile.';

'>>61589037
Look at the THICKness of that thang.
You can literally just tell that their material sciences are not even close to being capable of withstanding that heat so they just added a lot of mater to burn up since it is a one way trip anyway.
Russian ingenuity!';

'>>61589066
I've mostly gotten over it but I'll admit it does still irritate my weapon autism a bit that particular piece of propaganda worked so well. So much media ink spilled about ZE HYPERSONIC GAP and retard turdies spamming it, when there is fucking nothing impressive about just making a conventional rocket go hypersonic. Anything orbital or ballistic does. Stick a glider on the top and now you have an HGV. Whoo, incredible 1970s tech achievement (though modern tech certainly makes guidance much much cheaper, easier and more compact).

The challenge is doing it fully air breathing, which has proven very very difficult but would yield enormously more range and maneuvering capability since it frees them from the rocket equation. Air launching a bigger regular rocket though and having it go Mach 5 or faster isn't anything amazing. We literally did that for a regular air to air missile even in 1977 in the form of the AIM-54C. It's not very valuable though vs the cost if you have a decent airforce. You can see which countries have pursued it seriously and compare that to their AFs lol.';

'>>61587047
>not a Mach 4 planform
>no rocket or combined-cycle engine, wrong nozzles
>chargin' muh lazer
>russian stealth anything
>2025
At least you're farming some (you)s today.';

'>>61589228
>I've mostly gotten over it but I'll admit it does still irritate my weapon autism a bit that particular piece of propaganda worked so well
Yeah, even state officials fell for it.
I remember our retarded president saying how NATO is becoming history because Chinese can target US carriers half way to Hawaii and that we should look to strengthening ties with China.
>second paragraph
Just the fact that Russian aviation has not figured out 2100K+ materials is proof enough for you that they indeed do not have real hypersonic weapons, same goes for the Chinese.
Only Safran is close to getting CMCs and other tech to reliable condition outside GE and P&W, AFAIK.';

'>>61589317
>Yeah, even state officials fell for it.
I think at least some of them were trying to pull an F-15/16/18 situation again, promoting a GAP so that Congress would panic and give them a shitload of money to once again build the scifi propaganda weapons opponents claim to have except do it for real. But of course an ever present risk in pretending to be retarded is attracting actual retards who aren't in on the joke.
>Just the fact that Russian aviation has not figured out 2100K+ materials is proof enough for you that they indeed do not have real hypersonic weapons, same goes for the Chinese.
>Only Safran is close to getting CMCs and other tech to reliable condition outside GE and P&W, AFAIK.
Yep, honestly it's kind of sad so many people don't realize how genuinely fucking crazy stuff like advanced turbines are and the tech that goes into even a single blade.

But it's kind of like old CPU wars or a million other things, people focus on BIG SIMPLE NUMBER without any consideration of how it actually works in practical usage.';

'>>61587700
>reach Uranus before needing a refuel
I ain't letting your plane anywhere near my anus no matter how much fuel it has';

'>>61587692
>S-STOP NOTICING MEEEEEEEE
hahahahahahaha';

'>>61588388';

'>>61589089
Simplicity has a beauty all its own.';

'>>61589391
>I think at least some of them were trying to pull an F-15/16/18 situation again, promoting a GAP so that Congress would panic and give them a shitload of money to once again build the scifi propaganda weapons opponents claim to have except do it for real.
US military was definitely on it.
They love to get people scared to secure funding, it is a tried and tested tactic.
But yeah, they created a lot of propaganda wins for Russians by doing so.
>Yep, honestly it's kind of sad so many people don't realize how genuinely fucking crazy stuff like advanced turbines are and the tech that goes into even a single blade.
>But it's kind of like old CPU wars or a million other things, people focus on BIG SIMPLE NUMBER without any consideration of how it actually works in practical usage.
Honestly, people just don't care.
They see the Cobra Maneuver™ or hear "3D vectoring" from across the fence and then look to theirs and see generals bitching how they are under equiped against the boogeyman of the decade and just draw conclusions from that.
I doubt that 99% of people care about facts when they read headlines, they just mold it to fit their worldviews and move on.
So, business as usual... I guess.';

'>>61587047
mig-51
>max speed of mach 5, cruising speed mach 4
>capable of flying to mars on one tank of kerosene
>stealth capabilities exceeding the (insert whatever the us is using)
>will begin trials in 2030';

'>>61589522
>>stealth capabilities exceeding the (insert whatever the us is using)
It'll still be the F-22 because nobody will have built anything that can even get close to competing with it LMAO.';

'>>61588204
The stolen bike';

'>>61588367
They literally did produce a new one though?';

'in b4 that's what NGAD does unironically. well except the date';

'>>61589089
no need gay dresses only russian smelkaka )))';

'>>61589888
Making planes, especially System-of-System planes, like the NGAD, go really fast is stupid and it makes it less effective.
Also, no lasers.';

'>>61587047
Do russians actually believe in their own shit?';

'>russia gets a cool new plane
When do we get to see NGAD, i wanna see how we respond.';

'>>61587047
>Looks cool
>Good wiki stats
>Will never be built, so those stats will never be disproven

I would like to thank the Russian Federation for doing there part to make sure flight sims will always have fun planes to fight';

'>>61590100
>Also, no lasers.
I'd honestly be surprised if we don't see lasers at some point, potentially even at launch. NGAD will definitely have the power budget. Missile seeker systems are pretty sensitive, and they don't have a ton of delta-v vs a fast jet. There's no need for something powerful to actually shoot it down like on the ground, because a dumb straight line boost won't do shit vs a maneuvering fighter. A laser powerful enough to burn out optics and electronics is feasible in that power envelope and gudenuf. And laser tech is advancing pretty fast at this point.

If nothing else I think NGAD, like new naval ship designs, will have been designed with internal points and power systems in mind for future expansion even if the tech isn't ready day 1.';

'A good tech aircraft is useless if you don't actually build it. Or, you build one that you then claim met all the aspects and more so your propaganda video game devs can put one out and watch it dunk on everything.';

'>>61589089
that's not the nose cone, it's the warhead';

'>>61589089
retarded bait';

'>>61587581
Being indian is a disability.';

'>>61587047
Armatard sucks donkey dicks.';

'>>>/x/';

'>>61587047
>that comment section
i'm not even sure if some of those are just russian shills or incredibly retarded indians';

'>>61590194
Maybe.
The French HELMA-P laser works on 2kWs (and can melt a drone in 2.5seconds) and the F123 creates 1.7mWs, a typical Li-Ion battery is 200kg/kWh, so lets say they get a premium powerpack that nets 125kg/kWh and is 500kg heavy, they would get a complete laser solution for a fraction of the system weight, would have 2 ready discharges and it would charge in few seconds(depending on how much power you can pump into it), which is more than enough for self-defense IMO.
So I guess I just changed my mind.';

'>>61592594
Both
I see Indians claiming that the MiG-21 is the F-16 killer.';

'>>61587109
>He doesn't know
Anon, they did copy the xb70.
Behold, the Sukhoi T4
https://migflug.com/jetflights/russian-valkyrie-sukhoi-t-4/';

'>>61587643
Memes aside, that pattern would look rad on a jacket irl';

'>>61587644
What is that?';

'>>61587047
>Tell me again about these western "wunderwaffles"...
They exist, for one';

'>>61587643
Kinda feel bad for her.';

'>>61593065
Dear god in heaven what in the fuck is that ugly ass fucking thing?';

'>>61593261
A soviet high speed strategic bomber/recon plane prototype from the 1970s.';

'>>61593293
Huh, just had a déjà vu.';

'>>61593065
From the wiki it appears they wanted to make it but didn't have the advanced materials knowledge or engines to make it reach higher than Mach 1.5 safely. The XB-70 never should have been cancelled because now we know Soviet air defense cant hit the broadside of a fucking barn door';

'>>61587229
holy shit that laser just blew up the right side of the picture frame';

'>>61587047';

'>>61593541
even 4th wall (invention of bourgeois capitalists) is no match for might soviet bear comrade!!';

'>>61587047
I just discovered this site:
https://defencehub.live/
In terms of content it's just another /k/-tier military-themed smoothbrain mudslinging forum, but the fun thing is that people post nationality and where they live.

It just gives so much context to these discussions when you can see that the NATO warhawk is Indonesian and the Russia fanboy is a Russian living in the US.';

'>>61590156
>"there part"
>not "their part"
Opinion discarded';

'>>61593594
>https://defencehub.live/
>In terms of content it's just another /k/-tier military-themed smoothbrain mudslinging forum
Had a look and its an accurate descruption. Rather enetertaining reading the turkroaches and other shitskin opinions.';

'>>61589408
>letting
Your resistance only makes my ASSRAM track better.';

'>>61587643
I can save her.';

'>>61587722
notice the lack of (You)s for the receipts';

'>>61587643
She belongs to me';

'>Tell me again about these western "wunderwaffles"...

Sure thing! We prepared a video for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUu86-7H3mw

Man that's a cool plane though.';

'>>61588256
God I love exposed, large RCS midriffs';

'>>61593078

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Range_Hypersonic_Weapon';

'>>61593065
>Blyatkyrie';

'>>61599890
To be perfectly honest, despite me being an ouiaboo and a nafoboo, that's an HGV.
Not an actual hypersonic air-breathing scramjet powered weapon.';

'>>61588204
South Africa';

'>>61587643
anyone know the startup procedure of the su-57? I know how to start western fighters for the most part.
I'm heading to russia';

'>>61588786
>>0 footage of it's flying that is not a 3d render

IS there even a 3D render? OPs pic is an SU-57 and google brings up images that are not from russian MIC';

'>>61587047
>MiG
It's dead, Jim. There is only Sugoi corporation, that uses MiG name like a mask. And we know how good they are at making new planes';

'>>61587047
>number built: 0';

'>>61587151
>changed to look more stealthy
I can still see it?';

'>>61600476
Just whisper some kind words to her, I'm sure she'll take off with you.';

'>>61592594
>incredibly retarded indians
nah those are just regular indians, the hyper retards are on a different level';

'>>61588735
>it's so stealthy no one has ever seen it
>people still shit on it
Why are you like this.';

'>>61587047
The comment section under video is pure gold';

'>>61587047
>>61587084
>>61587116
>>61587643
>>61588256
Isn't Su-57 already taking up all the resources of fighter jet production?';

'>>61587047
Yeah I bet it can fly up it’s own ass and do your taxes for you too.

It’s another day, another Slav or chink wonder waffle. I’ll believe it when I see it.';