'amabs are a violent threat even if they take hrt they are still bigger and stronger than women and can physically harm women, and sexually harm them too';

'>>35539488
Lies. E makes me feel like a pathetic little bitch that craves cock. When my dose increased my upper strength went down a bit and blockers def made my bones weaker';

'>>35539524
estrogen makes you unavoidably physically weaker?';

'>>35539524
Weird, E just helped me cry my shit problems away and somehow become attracted to women.
>my bones are weaker
Are you on the proper dosage? That’s a symptom of your sex hormone levels being too low';

'>>35539535
Its more that testosterone makes you effortlessly stronger.
You can get ripped on e, it’s just that it will take a lot more effort';

'>>35539535
>are you on proper doses
Actually im just a youngshit so my bones never grew that much. I pretty much stopped growing until i went on E and my T accidentally spiked last year.

>somehow become attracted to women
This is the most confusing thing to me, i dont know why E changes peoples sexualities in different ways. When i look at a graph of my E and T blood levels I always feel most attracted to men and submissive when my E is high';

'>>35539488
studies have been showing that trans women are weaker than cis women. the fact is you should be replacing amab with cis in your comments.';

'>>35539617
taking hrt causes physical weakening?';

'Lesbians talk more about their gender feelings than any other type of queer I know';

'>>35539790
uhhh I'm gonna resist this homophobic way of thinking';

'>>35539767
yes you idiot, estrogen destroys muscle mass. would you honestly expect any AMAB who’s had their T suppressed for a year to be just as strong as they were before?';

'>>35539806
Can you be trans if you don't take hrt, and don't want to?';

'>>35539271
because most people are apparantly too stupid to distinguish the biological and social concerns of feminism without pissing on one or the other.';

'>>35539271
Terfs are wrong on the recent trans spike.
-You see a spike in transitioning today because women have the carte blanche to engage in the most degenerate sexual fantasies. Because women's sexuality is seen as good and moral vs the icky objectifying sexuality of men. Most of the porn/erotica women consume is more violent and objectifying compared to porn for men. This constant exposure to fetish content makes these women develop autoandrophilia.
-Women's online spaces prize being the underdog/the victim of society. You see this in tumblr and real life. Women will claim to have mental illnesses and claim to be fictional characters for clout so claiming to be non-binary is not a big stretch.
-You see a spike in Men/boys transitioning because from a legal perspective women have more rights. Women get less time for the same crime compared to men. Crimes committed by women get systematically under reported. Women have diversity hiring and easier access to welfare. In most countries women can't rape/assault men and even in countries were it is the case it's taken less seriously. Men's sexuality is seen as objectifying and inherently rapey. So there is every incentive to transition as a man.
-If you believe in "Sexual Orientation" then believing in "Gender Identity" is not a stretch. "Sexual Orientation" is the idea that people have a fixed attraction that is genetic and unchanging which is an integral part of a person's identity. "Gender Identity" is the idea that people have a fixed Gender(Which can be Expression, bodily mental image, personality, etc.. ) that is genetic and unchanging which is an integral part of a person's identity. Both of these concepts have the core underlying assumption that there is a soul-like property to humans.';

'>>35539617
This latest cope is actually unbelievable. I know the exact study you're quoting, and the authors literally compared overweight middle-age trans women to fit cis women. The participants self-reported their exercise intensity and it was a complete clusterfuck of whatever exercise regime or sport the participants were doing. Any performance differences could be attributed to training, but the Forbes analysis of the study is extremely dishonest.

>Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lower-body strength.
Mostly true. However, it's highly suspicious that trans women had comparable peak power to cis men. This performance peak discrepancy hints at under performing on the test!

>Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lung function.
Completely false. Trans women had greater FEV and FVC than cis women, so their FEV:FVC ratio being lower indicates that they are simply unfit, not that they have reduced lung function.

>Transgender women had a higher percentage of fat mass, lower fat-free mass, and weaker handgrip strength compared to cisgender men
This is so unbelievable disingenuous. Notice how the comparison shifted from comparing trans women to cis women to comparing trans women to cis men. This is because trans women have lower fat mass, higher fat-free mass, and stronger handgrip strength than cis women.

>Transgender women’s bone density was found to be equivalent to that of cisgender women, which is linked to muscle strength.
Partially true. The trans women still had higher BMD in every area except lumbar spine.

>There were no meaningful differences found between the two groups’ hemoglobin profiles. Hemoglobin (Hb) plays a crucial role in athletic performance by facilitating improved oxygen delivery to muscles.
Mostly true. Again, the absolute V02 max was still higher for trans women, hinting at a higher performance ceiling.';

'>>35539271
GEN E
I E L GY
H MS
LES I NS';

'>>35539271
because feminism is just misandry';

'>>35539833
so is transgenderism';

'>>35539809
yes, but you’re also banned from competing in all professional sports leagues bc they have HRT requirements';

'>>35539271
i do not underestimate the immense miseries of the average biofem life, proceeding partly from biology, or the importance of efforts to overcome them. why the fuck do retards infer from that that i have anything against the idea of a biological male altering her identity and aspects of her biology in the name of a more peaceful existence?';

'>>35539845
Yeah but it’s a way cooler kind because it gives men a way out.';

'>>35539897
incel ideology, second-wave feminism, and queer shit are all perfectly reconcilable, but provocational hobbyists on all sides constantly get in the way of their resolution. all career activists must die.';

'>>35539271
Because they're stupid.
TERFs are retards and actually think that far right groups aren't also trying to take their rights away as well.
They're literally useful idiots being used by the men who want to own them like cattle to push wedge political issues in an attempt to seize control of wider society.

That's the funniest thing about TERFs, even when they win, they actually lose because they just helped give power and influence to the people who see them as walking incubators.';

'>>35539767
Yes.
You lose muscle mass, a significant amount in fact.

What the fuck did you think would happen when you go from having high amounts of testosterone in your blood to having basically fucking none at all?';

'>>35539488
These are both objectively false.
Adequate HRT treatment both physically weakens trans women down to the same level as cis women after 2-5 years of continuous treatment (according to scientific studies).
Further, literally the first and most well known effect of HRT for trans women is that it kills your sex drive almost entirely and makes it so your dick can't even get hard unless you go out of your way to take additional medications (that are not part of the standard HRT dosing schedule) to restore/boost libido and give erections.

You are objectively, provably false on both counts.';

'>>35539821
lol just making stuff up';

'>>35540062
terfs aren't stupid imo, just delirious. they get a kick out of the feeling that history is in motion and they have the power to stand in the way of some great conspiracy with their very special radical subjectivity. they're basically chuunibyous.';

'the things that should be done to terfs violate rule 1';

'>>35540093
You can call yourself trans without taking HRT if you want, however depending where you live, legally your recognition as your chosen gender can get a bit shaky if you aren't making any active medical treatments/efforts to transition.

At least that's where it works where I live. Can't even change your gender on your birth certificate (a requirement for using female bathrooms) if you haven't been both undergoing medical treatment (HRT, psychology, etc) AND living as your chosen gender openly for at least 12 months.

That said, it differs a lot from country to country. That's just how it works where I live (on the positive side for trans people here, we use complete informed consent model for literally everything, if you actually DO want HRT or surgery here you can get it basically instantly, I'm fine with the cost of that instant, affirming access being that you have to prove you mean it to be recognized as your chosen gender and allowed into those spaces).';

'>>35540124
most people are terfs on some level, the best acceptance troons are gonna be getting is just mild politeness and very basic care so you don't go ahead and 41% yourself. realistically speaking the terfs have won';

'>>35539821
>This performance peak discrepancy hints at under performing on the test!
it just hints at a difference in variance, which is explained by variable practices of hrt.
>their FEV:FVC ratio being lower indicates that they are simply unfit, not that they have reduced lung function.
you can't rule out that the unfitness comes from some other unavoidable effect of hrt in another bodily system, as opposed to laziness or whatever you're trying to suggest.
>Notice how the comparison shifted from comparing trans women to cis women to comparing trans women to cis men.
duly noted. it's still a relevant statistic.';

'>>35540156
what distinguishes the real terfs from normal people is that they believe the trannies have won.';

'>>35540193
trannies have won, you can't call a crossdresser he anymore without losing your job over it';

'>>35540362
the linguistic whims of your hr department have never had much to do with real life.';

'>>35540392
trannyism is purely semantical';

'>>35540394
bs';

'>>35540428
>call trans woman a man
NO YOU CANT DO THAT';

'>>35540362
yeah kinda agree desu. i keep reading right wing takes about 'the tide turning' and it just feels like cope. any small win they get, e.g., the cass report, is immediately offset by several other things happening all around the world. terfs are probably outnumbered like 1 to 1000, and by the time normies become aware of the discourse, all of the laws have already been changed, and the culture would have shifted so much that they suddenly find themself wondering how could this have happened. well, it happened because normalfags are just wage cattle who go to work, come home, and watch netflix, and that's the extent of their participation';

'>>35540559
just an epiphenomenon.';

'>>35539818
Forbidden knowledge on this board. Listen chud, cisnwomen have it the hardest and they are also infallible. Don't be an intelligent and think otherwise';

'>>35540859
yeah thats weird';

'>>35539271
Some second wave feminists in the 60s caused a split in the women’s rights movement
The women’s rights movement and feminism started to flirt with the idea that our gender and gender performance was not correlated to our birth sex (radical equality and total equality before the law) but others emphasized bioessentialism and believed policy should explicitly be written with the context of differences between male and female bodies. This of course ended up with the rejection that trans people are a legitimate category of people (they believe it’s impossible for people to be a different gender identity from their birth sex)
Trans exclusion was from that point framed as necessary because trans people are icky and not real and so we don’t need them in feminism cause they won’t know how to do feminism as males (agents of patriarchy). this logic then evolved into trans women are just bad because I don’t like them, and now gender critical feminists have nothing feminist about them because they team up with paleoconservatives to undermine both women’s rights and lgbt rights.';

'>>35540999
Are men who act very feminine but look very masculine disgusting?';

'Because feminism is for women and trans women are men who pretend they are women to try to trick people into being nice to them because women are actually the privileged sex and feminism is the enemy of the good.';

'>>35541011
ok alice its time for bed';

'>>35539488
>butch lesbians are a violent threat they are bigger and stronger than women and can physically harm women, and sexually harm them too';

'>>35541042
It's 7 in the morning and thats not my name.';

'>>35541011
>trans women are men who pretend they are women to try to trick people into being nice to them because women are actually the privileged sex and feminism is the enemy of the good.
why do most people deny this? seems pretty obvious to me';