'oof
but I agree, fuck posers';

'>>23326020
This probably describes most of /lit/, but I personally fit the traditional basement dweller incel neckbeard stereotype much more closely, so I take no offense to her description and find it amusing.';

'>>23326020
She was on point until the end there when she made everything about her vagina';

'>>23326020
Pretty well written post, I think you nailed the tone of a 4chan user but with the voice and perspective of a woman who grew up in the 9.9%. Not sure what it has to do with literature though.';

'>>23326028
I've seen better looking homeless women. Why would a chad choose this witch?';

'>>23326020
Can someone make an AI picture of the kind of guys she's describing?';

'>>23326073
You can. You have that ability. There is zero skill involved with AI. All you have to do is copy and paste it into Bing Create or something. Do it yourself. Don't be the "can someone make" or "someone should make a meme of this" guy. You are a human being endowed with agency.';

'>>23326028
looks like an ugly old witch';

'>>23326073
No AI picture necessary, this is him.';

'I hate peacoats too';

'>>23326028
Is that ugly thing a pajeeta?';

'>>23326020
This shit gets posted here once a week.';

'This author sounds absolutely fucking insufferable. Just a black cloud of negativity and judgment. I don't understand how people can live this way.

>The week the Booker short list was announced, in September of 2016, Moshfegh gave the kind of candid interview that keeps publicists in business. “I’m smart and talented and motivated and disciplined and … talented. Did I say that already?” She told the reporter she wrote Eileen to show everyone “how easy [it] is” to write a best-selling work of commercial fiction, like all the other “morons.” Sick of the ill pay for short stories, “I thought, fine: I’ll play this game. And I still feel like I’m playing it.”

>Three months after the Guardian interview, she accepted another with a writer and UC Riverside lecturer named Luke Goebel. When they spoke, she was blunt about writing as her calling. “I’m not going to be making cappuccinos. I’m fucking brilliant! I don’t know what people expect me to do.” And frank about her mental fitness. “I’m the most self-assured person I’ve ever met, very arrogant at times, sure. I can’t make a wrong move. I know what I’m doing.” Clearly.';

'>>23326020
anon posted that quote here a few months ago and it encouraged me to read thee book. it's not bad.';

'>>23326116
It seems alright. I want to hate her description of hipster men badly, but probably only because it's like a mirror in many respects and I'm weak
The writing borders on cringe though. It's not bad per se but she could stand to dial it back a little';

'>>23326100
Jewish';

'>>23326115
She sounds horrible';

'>>23326020
How many times are you going to post this dumb shit?';

'>>23326028
>t. simp who doesn't get any';

'>>23326116
Damn, dude. That's gay as fuck. You'll cut your balls off soon, I bet.';

'>>23326028
>as pink as mine

Hmm

I enjoy the cover art being an attractive 19th century aristocrat when the author is in fact an ugly peasant whore';

'>>23326030
Then most of lit is taller than I am. Strange because most of you are virgins and I am not. Curious!';

'>>23326020';

'I avoided women like the plague in college. I do have a small dick and I'm on anxiety medication so she has me there.';

'>>23326020
What's the male version of this, from this era (Moshfegh's book was published 2018)?';

'>They would be the ones running museums and magazines
Nowadays women do';

'>>23326020
>femcels don't exi-
I really feel sorry for this type of person the same way I feel sorry for incels.
Because they can't form their identity outside of a one sided shallow and imaginary relation to the opposite sex.';

'Sometimes I think that if you are tall, handsome and moderately fit you can have any opinions and choose any lifestyle or wear any clothing you want and people will still think you are interesting and confident and manly.

If some male model looking dude had the same hipster style she was mocking she would probably think he was interesting and special in his own way.';

'>Checks early life section
Well well well...';

'>>23327181
Attractive people of both sexes are inherently more valuable and interesting than unattractive people.';

'>>23326020
>female writers
Jesus Christ lmao
Zero literary merit, she’s just describing what gives her the ick';

'>>23327017
What even qualifies as a small dick nowadays?';

'I used to never interact with women and I had the typical /r9k/ opinion of them.
Then I met a girl whom I worked with for three years. We were the only two employees (small startup, long story) and we basically together ten hours per day, all week long including sundays sometimes so we got to know each other very well.
She was different from most women (or people, even) I've interacted with before or since in that she's extremely honest and just says whatever is on her mind without sugarcoating it. It helped me learn a lot about the way women think and pretty much confirmed absolutely everything that would be labeled "clueless incel rhetoric". I like this girl a lot, she's fun to be around and quite nice, but I can also say with the utmost certainty that she is the one that made me completely give up on women and relationships altogether after hearing the way women perceive men, sex and couple dynamics.
Incels are right and have always been.';

'>>23327302
sounds like sour grapes because you got zero pussy off of her lmao';

'>>23327426
Nah I knew she was out of my league from the start so I never had any such expectations. I don't even try with normal women, I wouldn't ever even imagine trying with an 8+/10';

'>>23327446
kek fair enough, you're right about women as well if we're being honest';

'>>23327302
What did she say?';

'>>23326028
Unfortunately, these are the women forming mainstream opinions and sentiment of young women today. Well, them and Kylie Jenner. Remember that when you ask why dating is so fucked up now.';

'>>23327181
Correct, but you won’t necessarily be admired by men for it. Great men are rarely strikingly handsome and rarely allergic philosophy or ideas. They’re not “idea guys” but they’re not six foot three handsome athletes and nothing but either.';

'>>23327302
So what did she say, you big fucking retatd';

'>>23326020
Good shit, college kid pseuds need to be called out.';

'>>23326020
A book released as late as 2018 obsessing over a hypothetical archetype of mid-2000s male obsessed with David Foster Wallace.

It’s like this person’s entire conception of art house poser culture is based on Internet literature forums. From like 2006';

'>>23327516>>23327485
A bunch of things, we had a lot of discussions about these subjects
But for example
>she has an ex which she broke up with years ago; right now she's married and pregnant from another guy she says she's in love with, but she also told me repeatedly that her ex was "the one" and that she'll always have feelings for him and thinks about him a lot and that it makes her feel comfortable and secure
>she did the stuff all women do when they say "there's someone out there for everyone" but when I pressed her she pretty much admitted that most girls are hypocrites and the overwhelming majority are size queens who like the bad boy archetypes (and might settle for someone else but it'll be that, settling, not real attraction). And that basically girls who aren't are mostly lying to themselves and/or have never tried a chad with a big dick
>when talking about my own inexperience she said the usual bullshit like "noooo anon it's fine if you're 25 and don't have much experience, all girls want different things" but then I pressed her and she ended up admitting that if you have no experience after 30 it's basically over and that she would never date a guy with no experience anyway
>she said things along the lines of women not being made to be tied to a single partner their whole lives and that it's pretty much inevitable that you'd get bored and want to cheat (even if you don't do it) at some point
And other things I don't remember right now';

'>>23326028
This is the face of someone who has been missing front teeth for a long period of time. KDPV';

'>>23327021

TAO LIN';

'>>23327547
It takes place in the early 2000s.';

'But that’s the speech from a character, not from the author herself. By the way, she is married with a tall but very beta-looking dude.';

'>>23327573
>But that’s the speech from a character, not from the author herself.
This type of reasoning is too complex for most of /lit/ these days.';

'>>23327550
You just need to try harder, bro.';

'>>23327624
kek that's one of the things she told me. That I was too negative, that I needed to just try and go up to girls and face rejection and eventually it'll click, that I was fairly handsome and so on. Pretty typical stuff to not face the fact that IT'S OVER';

'>>23326115
>painfully grabs your balls';

'>>23327645
At least you're enlightened and know the truth. You know for an absolute certainty there's no point in investing time/money/effort into this area, and you're free to do other things without a seed of doubt in your mind.';

'>>23327652
It doesn't make me feel any better. I'm not at mount athos, I see and interact with girls every day, most of my friends are engaged or in relationships, conversations inevitably get to that subject at some point... There's no worse feeling than being at a table with people and them joking about some shit you never experienced and never will but that they do every day. Pure /r9k/ faggotry but it is what it is, I can't stop those feelings.
I yearn for it even though I know it's not for me and doesn't even really exist in the first place. I hate it.';

'>>23327684
Well, I hope one day you learn to accept it.';

'>>23327688
I hope so too.
How did you do it, assuming you're in my situation?';

'>>23327691
>How did you do it, assuming you're in my situation?
I eventually stopped caring, it went away on its own.';

'But enough about Logo_Daedalus...';

'>>23327691
Are you willing to become a hillbilly hobo in bfe in order to achieve this?';

'>>23327713
How old are you?
>>23327718
Frankly, no.';

'>>23326020
these guys sound based';

'>>23327728
Understandable. My point was that you could slum it and probably achieve it as a singular goal.';

'>>23327573
And you imagine it came out of thin air? That it’s not the author’s thoughts and it’s not what readers sympathize with?';

'>>23327769
Maybe I should pick up that Buddhist practice of meditating on the decay of beautiful bodies. Though that would only take care of lust, not other urges.';

'>>23327684
I will try to help you.

Here’s my life situation in short: in early 2023 me and my wife of 10 years broke up. A few months after that, in may, my father was diagnosed with a form of terminal cancer. I spend most of 2023 dealing with anticipatory grief and trying obsessively to find modern treatments for my father. Me and my wife still lived together, but I simply didn’t had the time to feel the pain for the end of my relationship. I still loved her and was planning to talk to her about us getting back together, but I was not in my right mind because of my father, so I was giving it time. In the following months my wife started making friends online. We broke up in march 2023. In November 2023 she told me she had fallen in love with another man she met online, a guy from another country. My ex wife still lives with me, but after graduating she plans on moving out and maybe even going to this other country to live with this guy.

Meanwhile my father, who had shown some signs of recovery (the only time I could breath with more ease), had a progression of the disease found in January. The chemotherapy didn’t work and the cancer was growing back.

Not only that, but my brother, my best friend in the world, moved to Canada with his wife.

I have always been somewhat lonely, and now, in the space of a few months, I lost my wife, my father’s health is rapidly degenerating towards death, and my brother moved for far away from were I live.

I have never felt so lonely in all my life, I never thought living could hurt so much. There were many days that I woke up and had no will to left my bed. My interest in reading and writing withered away. I finally realized that the people we love are the most important thing in our lives, but I only realized that in my bowels, I only realized that inside my bones when I faced the perspective of losing some of the people I love the most on the world.

I started having symptoms of depression: lack of appetite, trouble sleeping, waking up early feeling anxious (with trouble breathing, chest pain, and a numb feeling on my face and my hands), lack of any thought about the future and no hope that things would get better. Most of my thoughts were nostalgic memories of the past, the conscience that the present was shit and the feeling that nothing good would come out of the future.

When I noticed that the symptoms of depression were getting worse I started therapy and searched material online. I found one talk that was extremely beneficial to me and that points out 4 main practical advices on how to deal with depression. I share this talk with you because most of the advice in this talk can also be applied to someone who is feeling hopeless in life.

As for socializing, I downloaded some relationship apps. I managed to make some friends using the app “Boo”. In my experience it was the best app to meet new people, so maybe you can give it a try.
https://youtu.be/TVgQ_tgWMyU?si=rRpTZCUoNzKQN0PA';

'>>23327871
I sincerely hope you will find peace and happiness in spite of this situation anon. I can't imagine how it must feel to have everything tumble down all of a sudden like this. I don't know you but I wish for you to find the courage and strength to get through this shit.
And thank you for the video, I'll check it out. I have a few friends, I guess my only real issue is the romance/sex thing but I'll probably become able to cope eventually.';

'>>23327302
>>23327550
Grim.';

'>>23327886
Thank you for your kind words.

I know it’s hard to put oneself in the skin of others, so if I tell you: “You will get better at romantic relationships with time” the phrase might sound phony.

However, I realized during my life (I’m 37, so not that young) that many social skills can be learned. I was terrible with girls during my early 20s, but I managed to get better at it by practice. It was frightening in the beginning, but eventually it became more natural.

Dating apps might seem desperate to some people, but it’s an easier way to start and maintain initial conversations. And I honestly think that confidence is something one can learn, so even if you face disappointments I think you might get better with romantic relantionships.';

'>>23327915
I've tried dating apps but never got any success out of them. Surprisingly however, I've gotten more confident lately, I'm much less of a doormat. But I feel like I've somewhat given up on romance (because of >>23327550) anyway. I'm thinking maybe focusing on what we're meant to do in life instead of chasing another "kind of life" is the way.';

'>>23327550
kek this has so little content you can basically replace everything to fit a man
>favorite ex
>big tit, model instead of bad boy size queen
>i only date virgins instead of only dating people with experience
>men are made to have multiple partners instead of vis-versa .

look i dislike women for my own reasons but this is low IQ discourse just like all incel, blackpill shit.';

'>>23327939
Are you retarded? The point isn't that it's high level discourse, it's that it's true.';

'>>23327950
no its dumb resentful discourse. it's much more reasonable to hate women for being boring, consensus driven, emotional retards than to hate them for liking big dicks. you guys are low iq.';

'>>23327960
>heh, your reasons to hate women aren't intellectual enough
Fuck off pseud. I also never said I hated them.
You also type like a twitter tranny which invalidates everything you say by default.';

'>>23327728
>How old are you?
25';

'>>23327976
Me too. Must be different for everyone.';

'>>23327871
This post made me feel more emotion than Tolstoy’s 1000 page novels ever could';

'>>23327141
That was my first thought. Women like her run those things, not us—who she appears to be referring to';

'>>23327986
I think seeing all the blackpills on here helped.';

'>>23327550
A few years ago I would have sperg'd out and said that women are incredibly fucked up, but I remember some time ago I was talking with a male friend from childhood, he's got a very beautiful wife that loves him, a nice job, a good family that supports him, etc etc, I remember that at some point he asked me
"Do you remember that girl I dated a few years ago? (his ex)"
I asked him, yea, what about her?
He told me that he still thinks about her and has thought about contacting her
Women may be fucking retarded but honestly, men are the same, some other friends basically tell me the same shit about men without experience, our modern culture is awful
But you can't afford to lose hope or it's over';

'>>23328032
I've been on this shithole for twelve years but it hasn't completely worn me down yet.
>>23328046
Yeah maybe you're right and everyone sucks. It doesn't really matter to me, I was essentially talking about how these discussions changed my personal perspective.
>But you can't afford to lose hope or it's over
It's already over.';

'I don't buy these 'experience' statements. If this were true normal people would become a lot better at this over time but they don't as is evident by breakups. There's natural chemistry or there isn't.';

'>>23327871
Thank you for taking the time to write this post anon, I sincerely hope you and your family can recover from this ordeal
Fuck anon, never lose hope, these days I also have been searching for therapy and resources related to mental health and I realized it's not bad to search for some help, sometimes I felt that I was losing my fucking mind but i'm slowly working on it
Godspeed anon';

'>>23326028';

'>>23326020
femcel shit lmao';

'>>23326020';

'see the unfortunate reality is that generally women cannot tell the difference between poser trash and dudes who are into this kind of media because they genuinely enjoy themselves with it
about the only things you can do to break out truly of the “poser” label for a woman are
>go hogwild with your interests, so fuck DFW, fuck Proust, go Dalkey Archive and Steven Moore and whatever else might engage your mind
>start making your own stuff
women will usually be even more put off by the first approach than by the posers (“eww he’s too geeky”). the second approach should work wonders but again, they won’t tolerate extreme interest or anything complicated. if you’re a creative writer write her a poem like once a month only. and again don’t get too “geeky” with it, and realize that they know when it’s insincere a lot better than you want to admit';

'> WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN

Who the FUCK cares, you boring faggots.
Is pussy the only measuring stick in your life? Can you circumscribe nothing except in pussy units? Shut the FUCK UP';

'why does all contemporary lit have to be shallow people in Brooklyn shitting all over each other? surely literature is capable of more?';

'>>23328569
uh yeah lmao we’re (generally) men who love obscure media responding to a remark a woman made about men who love obscure media
let’s not forget as well that most everyone seeks someone in their arms at the end of the day, yourself included however many edgelord lines you want to counter with';

'>>23328582
Isn't that where the publishing houses are? New York?

>>23328592
> uh yeah lmao we’re (generally) men who love obscure media responding to a remark a woman made about men who love obscure media
let’s not forget as well that most everyone seeks someone in their arms at the end of the day, yourself included however many edgelord lines you want to counter with
Then how about you go discuss that obscure media or go hold that person in your arms';

'>>23328582
probably because all the literary types congregate in that part of New York City and they're all basically the extras from American Psycho';

'>>23328604
>Then how about you go discuss that obscure media
what board do you think we’re on right now moron
>or go hold that person in your arms
you have me beat there, it’s been a week since we last got together, she went back to her home an ocean away';

'>>23326020
Otessa was five foot five. She was frumpy but fit and confident. I’d probably pass and consider the loose tarts I’ve seen around town and the gallery. In college the literature department had been plastered with this specific genre of young woman.

An ‘alternative’ to the mainstream sorority girl and premed note taking type. These ‘smart’, graceless, intellecutal brats that found their way into the art and literature departments.
As an art history major I couldn’t escape them. ‘Ladies’ reading Virginia Wolfe, Brontë, Sylvia Plath, jotting down meterless confessional poetry in leather bound notebooks. Ill fitting clothes, poorly applied make up that was chosen more to express her personality than hiding flaws and flattering natural beauty. Clothes that hugged the hips wrong and draped off the breast lazily. Hair that was unkempt and lazy. They didn’t shower enough, thought deodorant was unnatural, shaving was anti-feminist, tattoos of ‘deep’ lyrics form a cute emo band of their youth. They spent hundreds on Starbucks, smoked marijuana and drank, and misunderstood the double digit body count they had accrued with being at the top of the female social hierarchy. They’d come in to the Chad, the art gallery I worked at, with their newest tinder date, ‘those girls usually have fishy smells, it’s the trichemonas’ my friend would say. I’d hear her talk shit about art, she thought hers was better, typical. They lamented the success of others and knew they were destined for fame, influence, and feminist heroism. Prozac, SSRis, Wellbutrin, that’s before you consider the other drugs and alcohol they were medicating their low self esteem with. Loved on the upper east side, and listened to the 1975 and MGK. Most of them tried to pass off their insecurity as feminism. They’d be the ones sleeping with the men running museums and show rooms to get a job and then act as if they earned it via merit. Of course when you see them at bars or parties and you have no job to offer or wealth they don’t pay much attention. They were so distracted by their no where conversations with their overweight posse of frumpy single 30 year olds they probably believed the latest out rage was a matter of life and death. They wouldn’t be distracted by settling down and having kids and a cat in the yard. The truth is they had something to prove and it all stemmed from being ugly and ill equipped to compete with the typical aesthetically minded females that had already been claimed with an engagement ring. They were so focused on chasing money and corporate prestige they forgot that nobody is working for someone else for sake of working. It’s all vanity, baby. Anyway, I married a blonde and don’t give a shit about ugly girls or their thoughts, nobody really does, so I forgot she existed and nobody ever wrote something like this before. Most people don’t waste energy hating boring mundane slutty women.';

'>>23327562
Wonder what he thinks about her critical and financial success';

'>>23326020

Typical women, goes on a long rant how she doesn’t want a certain type of guy and by the end it’s clear she 1000 percent does in fact want that type of guy.';

'>>23326028
>But when I’d been at parties with them, or out at bars, they’d ignored me
gee maybe its because you're ugly as shit.
literal femcel';

'>>23328613';

'>>23328592
First of all you dumb nigger incel, if you actually read the book, you'd have realized the main character saying this stuff is being shat on by the author for being a retard the whole book
Second of all, it's a bit exaggerated but it's true. I've been through the literature uni ringer myself and most of the men in that sort of thing are insufferable faggots suffering from "gifted burnout syndrome". Ugly, fat, unfit, with a very high opinion of themselves for having read something that was required reading in school 50 years ago.
Fuck off back to /r9k/ you disgusting subhuman';

'>>23327302
Getting a gf has redpilled me even more than I previously thought possible. All the bad shit 4chan incels say about women is more true than I think even they realize';

'>>23327960
Both seem like valid reasons, thoughbeit.';

'>>23326020
I like the passage but it's just setting the scene; the book is about a 'mentally ill' woman finding ways too manipulate a dirty and stupid doctor (author lays that on thick), to get gold accidentally manufactured by thee devil (pharmaceutical companies).';

'>>23326116
Did she changed or better herself or is she a bitch throughout the whole story.';

'>>23326028
>she's ugly
oh I get it';

'>>23326020
>seething about men dating asian girls
Hahaha';

'>>23327785
And people think Buddhism isn't demonic, kek!';

'>>23326941
What happens if you move on and find a better woman then? Would it have been a failed evolutionary strategy?';

'>>23327550
What if she's wrong about the preferences of other women in general and she's just coping because her own life sucks due to her own mistakes?';

'>>23327871
I'm sorry anon. I recently lost my father to complications with cancer and had been dealing with extreme loneliness too. I know it may be of no consolation but you have kindred souls who understand you here. Thank you for sharing your advice.';

'>>23329905
I don't care about christkike rhetoric
>>23329917
Perhaps. But I don't think so. I've seen her cope about other things completely lucidly so she wouldn't have told me this as straightly as she did if it was to cope with her life, since I've seen her be completely aware of her shortcomings as a woman';

'>>23329955
Maybe she's just a size queen because she has a big vagina, or because she likes the intensity or the pain (and it isn't necessarily pleasurable)? Does she have any other traumas?';

'>>23327785
>>23329905
There's precedent for something like this in Christian monastic literature';

'>>23326077
She's a super-model looking blue eyes, blonde WASP from a rich background in the book. Chad does relapse his long term relationship to fuck her despite her basically decaying from all the drugs.';

'>>23329958
She's very sociable and has a bunch of female friends and her way of phrasing it was pretty much like telling me "most girls agree with me but don't say it out loud". She did tell me that girth was more important than length but that she wouldn't be satisfied under a certain minimum anyway (which isn't the "average" by any means). I also remember her telling me about a friend of her's who "preferred smaller or average dicks" until she met a guy with a big one
No she doesn't have any traumas, I know some pretty intimate things about her so I can say this with some confidence. She's pretty much how you would imagine the turbostacy archetype, except she's nice.';

'>>23329971
>it was pretty much like telling me "most girls agree with me but don't say it out loud".
True. But women like to agree with other women because they're consensus creatures. They don't necessarily know what they like unless they make an effort to find it or they stumble upon it. And even if they do know, they're often not willing to rock the boat.
>that she wouldn't be satisfied under a certain minimum anyway (which isn't the "average" by any means).
As in the minimum is larger than average?
>I also remember her telling me about a friend of her's who "preferred smaller or average dicks" until she met a guy with a big one
Fair enough, though it's weird for a woman to say that they liked smaller vs. larger without knowing the difference in the first place. I guess they just liked sex and now they like sex more with the right size?

Idk anon. Maybe she's saying the truth. Maybe she's got a complex. A lot of people are like that.';

'>>23326020
American psycho but for women';

'>>23329988
Perhaps. I don't know if I'd rather trust that, or trust whatever women tell each other in private where they don't have to fear being labeled sluts, whores etc.
>larger than average
Yes
>without knowing the difference
I interpret it as the girl coping with her bf's size because she's never known anything better.
>Maybe she's got a complex
Maybe. Isn't it obvious when people are compensating for something though? She has a good relationship with her dad and her preferences have always been like this. She's not insecure about anything (except some dumb minor shit like her nose or whatever) so I would assume that someone who's neither insecure nor has any trauma would have pretty "natural" preferences if that makes sense.';

'>>23330000
Quads.
>I interpret it as the girl coping with her bf's size because she's never known anything better.
I wouldn't necessarily say coping. More like, ignorance of scale. Compare your favorite flavor of ice cream to vanilla ice cream. Now imagine if you only knew vanilla ice cream. Vanilla ice cream is still pretty good, right? Then you discover your favorite flavor. Now it's not so good, but only in comparison. (Obviously this analogy fails if vanilla is your favorite flavor lmao but you get the point).
>Isn't it obvious when people are compensating for something though?
It seems like a distinct possibility to me. She sounds like a queen bee of sorts, so you have to account for the distorting effects that she has in her social circles. Plus, she's clearly wounded in how she lost that chad ex you were talking about, and this colors the way she views love, sex, relationships, etc. But maybe I'm just coping and hoping that women have a cornucopia of preferences. You get the picture.';

'>>23330000
>trust whatever women tell each other in private where they don't have to fear being labeled sluts, whores etc.
btw some of the biggest slut shamers are other women lol. Female dynamics are weird. Some of the biggest "patriarchs" blamed in society turn out to be the recursive female gaze as women are hypercompetitive against each other.';

'>>23326028
rofl imagine have the fucking nerve';

'>>23329955
That's not what rhetoric means, esl.

>>23329960
There are lots of things which are labeled "Christian" which are not, and can be proven as such by Scriptural authority, but demonic practices are commonplace in Buddhism across Buddhist nations. Cope.';

'>>23329820
she bettered herself thru following her instinct to self medicate.';

'>>23330015
Yeah I agree with the analogy. Being content with what you have because you don't know any better. Hardly reassuring as a man though.
>queen bee
Yes definitely. I wonder if that has a distorting effect as you say, or if it just brings out the truth whenever she's around other women since they would feel vindicated by her endorsing preferences which are usually seen as slutty.
>lost that chad ex
That was several years ago, she's in her late twenties, but told me she's had those preferences since forever. As long as she's been old enough to be interested in sex in the first place.
>>23330016
Perhaps that's true, although she's not the kind of woman to give a fuck about the opinions of others, more like she's the one who "sets the tone" for social dynamics if that makes sense. I would call it a rare instance of feminine charisma.
>>23330033
I speak English because it's the only language you know, etc. Cope harder larping faggot';

'>>23326067
Strong men want strong women, not pretty little sycophants.';

'>>23330061
>Strong men want strong women
did you hear that on instagram, hole?';

'>>23330066
Nah. I've never really understood why people prefer demure, submissive women. I want to be challenged and to engage in discussion on an equal ground. A strong woman is everything I want.';

'>>23330049
>Hardly reassuring as a man though.
Fair enough. But again, why would somebody say they like "smaller" if they had no comparison? Maybe that woman was bad at describing her original feelings. Or maybe she's reinforcing the queen bee's groupthink. You don't know that, genuinely.
>Yes definitely. I wonder if that has a distorting effect as you say, or if it just brings out the truth whenever she's around other women since they would feel vindicated by her endorsing preferences which are usually seen as slutty.
It could be either. Again, women naturally try to conform to the group.
>That was several years ago, she's in her late twenties,
People hold on to their feelings about "the one that got away" for a looooong time. Sometimes into their 70s. Don't think for a second that those wounds heal quickly, or that the person goes back to who they were before.
>but told me she's had those preferences since forever. As long as she's been old enough to be interested in sex in the first place.
So... before she had sex? How would she know that? Also, most people's understandings of themselves as teens tend to become hazy by the time they're in their late 20s.
>Perhaps that's true, although she's not the kind of woman to give a fuck about the opinions of others, more like she's the one who "sets the tone" for social dynamics if that makes sense. I would call it a rare instance of feminine charisma.
There's always a queen bee in a large enough female group, so they're not that uncommon. Plus, don't forget, even queen bees conform to some extent, given that their preferences don't come from nowhere and are often set by the media, environment, etc., in that they grew up in. Think about it as one massive queen bee (sorority culture) telling all the little queen bees how to be, and then the little queen bees tell all the other women how to fall in line as good women.';

'>>23330061
not every strong man is a chad';

'>>23326028
>they were just afraid of vaginas, afraid that they’d fail to understand one as pretty and pink as mine
>pretty and pink';

'>>23330073
I want someone to challenge my ideas, but not attempt to emasculate me because she feels intimidated like most "strong" women act when they are faced with someone that doesn't share a similar sentiment on every single passing thought. People who enjoy this are no better than intellectual and emotional masochists. Bothering with most women is a fucking mistake, so wanting a submissive retard can be preferable if you can mold her to your tastes. If you can truly find a woman who is level-headed enough to have a rational discussion on various topics without finding a passive aggressive way of speaking with you or worshipping the ground you walk on because they're attracted to you, you've either found a unicorn or a tranny.';

'>>23330099
Both men and women with that kind of character are rare.';

'>>23330082
> why would somebody say they like "smaller" if they had no comparison?
Women are logical like that. But yeah I don't know. I would assume she said something along the lines of "I'm perfectly satisfied with my bf's average dick" and got proven wrong later.
>People hold on to their feelings
Oh yeah absolutely. She told me that even though she's married and expecting a child soon, she sometimes daydreams about how later in her life she'll cross paths with that ex again and be with him.
What I meant was it's not her ex that gave her those preferences. Her husband right now is the opposite personality-wise (still a huge chad though, but the outgoing type rather than the dark and brooding type) and she's happy with him too.
>before she had sex
Badly worded, I meant that from what she told me she's always felt attracted to that specific kind of guy even as a teen when she experimented and so on. It was never ambiguous and her tastes didn't change.
>queen bees conform to some extent
Yes. She's not a huge nonconformist or outlier, but she does word her preferences openly even though they are sometimes unpopular or not the "cool" thing, which is more than you can say for the overwhelming majority of women (or people, even). That's the thing though, being a turbostacy she can socially afford to be a dork and it's cute or even reinforces that charisma.';

'>>23330087
Agreed. Many """"chads"""" are actually pretty fragile. It has to be nice in some ways to have much given to you on account of looks and charm. The downside is that, like anyone else who doesn't really have to work for what they get, you don't develop skills other people do. Incels have a really shallow idea of what it actually means to be a man. They think it's all fun and games and sex and partying. Life is rarely so kind to anyone for any period of time. A """"chad"""" has probably struggled less in life than most, but that tends to mean their problem-solving skills aren't up to par and they aren't as emotionally and mentally resilient as people who are experienced with struggle and have actually worked on themselves (unlike incels who lay down and rot while blaming the world). Everyone is insecure at times. Chads are just better at hiding it behind their chiseled jawlines and designer clothes. Don't trust social media.';

'>>23330127
I only have one more thing to suggest before I go. Sometimes people just associate the good feelings they had with concrete markers of what they were associated with. e.g., what their first love was like, what their best romantic partner was like, what they grew up with when life was peachy, what captured their fascination when they were maturing as teenagers, etc. People spend a lot of time chasing what they had in hopes of replicating it instead of figuring out what's actually good for them.';

'>>23326020
>would come into Ducat, the gallery I ended up working at, with their younger—usually Asian—girlfriends
seething
"de aap komt uit de mouw" as we say in dutch';

'I really enjoyed this book. Anything else she's written that's worth it?';

'>>23330099
What youre describing is a secure person who is True Neutral but tends toward Neutral Good. This is very hard to find because it takes a wealth of spiritual discipline and intelligence.';

'>>23330155
>"de aap komt uit de mouw"
take the tulip out of your mouth lmao';

'>>23330171
can you make a vocaroo trying to pronounce it?';

'>>23329934
Thank you for your support, and I’m sorry you are having to deal with the same kind of problems. I don’t wish this feeling of loneliness for nobody.

It was very nice to hear your words, and they really made me feel less lonely. Take care of yourself and be well, my friend. I wish all the best for you and your family.';

'>>23330166
maybe you could just cast magic missile on them you retarded fucking dork';

'>>23326028
>all the replies
jesus christ, you faggots know this isn't an autobiography, right?';

'>>23328569
this. God I'm so fucking sick of it';

'>>23327871
>my le wife is le leaving me... im so le alone!!!!
Poor baby. I've felt like a malformed faggot freak my whole life.';

'>>23326080
Adam fucks though.';

'I haven’t read this book but this seems clear to me that this is from the POV of a supremely negative character. While maybe parts of what she says are true, others are more projecting her own hatred and insecurity.

The fact she talks about six foot chads being the guy she’d choose, while being annoyed these men she despises ignore her at parties makes this kind of obvious

Am I wrong? Someone who has read the book, tell me. Is she supposed to be 100% right here and I’m just missing the point?';

'All women are the same, even and especially the schizo yanderes who could never get along with the frilly social media types. They've got their emergency exes and Ones Who Got Away as much as anyone, probably more because they've stepped outside the normie riptide and know how to love and be loved. It's when you're an outsider guy rejected by an outsider girl that hurts more than anything. I was told to my face that she was settling for me, that I was ugly and will never be good enough. I feel so hideously disconnected from humanity. No love no love no love no love no love';

'>>23330462
>Is she supposed to be 100% right here and I’m just missing the point?
She's no more "right" than I would be for writing a page about how old, fat women are old and fat and why I'd rather fuck a 20-year old with a thin waist and huge tits. It's a truth for any normal person, but pointing it out and pretending it's insightful is narcissistic and unnecessary.';

'>>23329476
your clarifications don’t exactly negate my point
and incel? r9k subhuman? buddy i quite literally admitted to having a girlfriend in the post you responded to lmao
maybe if you weren’t a kook with anger issues you wouldn’t be here projecting your miserable life onto mine';

'>>23326028
womp fucking womp

i hate smug artfags so much it's unreal';

'>>23330424
Have you read interviews with the author? She is every bit as miserable and negative as her character';

'>>23330424
Incels can't fathom writing anything other than a thinly veiled diary entry.';

'>>23330424
>>23330995
like anon said read her actual views >>23330791

she is a vile person who writes vile things.';

'>>23328613
Based';

'>another “/lit/ doesn’t understand that the narrator of a confessional novel is expressing a flaw that they grow out of by the end” episode
your inability to distinguish the character from the author is limiting your reading, friends';

'>>23331072
read the thread
>>23326115';

'>>23331072
I know right the absolute lack of media literacy here is astounding... its so problematic these people definitely need to be thrown in reeducation camps';