'>>23360314
I've been looking into Lewis Carroll recently, and hopefully this thread won't dissolve into a pedophilia discussion, but he seemed like an interesting dude. Well versed in many subjects, committed to nonsense, and unexpectedly influential. I've read the wonderland stuff, and I want to get my hands on Sylvie and Bruno.

I know little about the Tollbooth, but I'm open to exploring. What is there to like?';

'>>23360373
Perfectly
Erudite
Discussion
Only.';

'>>23360373
>I know little about the Tollbooth, but I'm open to exploring. What is there to like?
It's similarly into logic and word games like the Alice books.';

'>>23360424
You wasted time writing and formatting for a joke that wasn't funny
>>23360452
I'll look into it anon, thanks.';

'>>23360314
Bump';

'>>23360314
Why were there TWO rabbit characeters, could he really not think of another animal?';

'>>23361884
Huh? Are there? I only remember the White Rabbit.

Or are you talking about the other book?';

'>>23360314
I hate the misuse of the term "mog." A mog is when something is clearly and obviously superior at first glance. If you have to ask and debate the question then it's not a mog.';

'>>23360314
Phantom Tollbooth all the way. Absolutely giga-based. It is a purely righteous parable about restoring order and cultivating virtues for their own sake. The demons on the mountain are probably of the most realistic depictions in fiction';

'>>23361895
White Rabbit and March Hare';

'>>23360467
>he thinks that took time
Lol';

'>>23362024
Considering you had to sound out all the words before you spelled them, it probably did';

'>>23361998
Alice mogs here though. It's not close.';

'>>23360314
havent read since childhood desu but i liked the alice books much more than the phantom tolbooth';

'>>23361884
Rabbits are different animals from hares.';

'>>23362798
Though both under the taxonomic order lagomorpha';

'>>23362809
Yes, but that's like saying a gorilla is a human.';

'>>23362641
Correct. Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass are both essentially perfect children's books, their organizing sense of dream-logic is exact, and they are delightful to children and adults on multiple levels. The Phantom Tollbooth is trying desperately to be Alice in Wonderland, but it is not dreamlike but Monkey Cheese lol! wacky. Kids don't like it as much, adults find it grating and childish.';

'>>23360314
Alice is my waifu';

'>>23360314
kids books are so much better than "real" literature its unreal. anyone else feel this way?';

'>>23362968
It's because they are creative and magical! While "real" literature is boring and realistic :thumbsdown:';

'>>23362977
Yeah man thanks for this. I agree with you. Real stuff is just kind of shitty and bogged down with trying to be literature. Everything should be written for children because thats what we all are';

'whats some good young books?';

'>>23363119
Anything by Jules Verne. Pretty easy for younger people to understand and endlessly entertaining';

'>>23363162
thanks i dont read good';

'>>23362019

This.';

'hello please give me that alice picture i can't find it, you know the one';

'>>23363119
Roald Dahl';

'We need a high budget Phantom Tollbooth movie';

'>>23365451
Is the Chuck Jones one decent? How does it compare to the novel?';

'>>23362968
This isn't true but the best children's literature is as legitimate as Moby Dick or Karamozov and better than whatever pretentious doorstop novel /lit/ is pretending to have read today. You have to appeal to both children and adults, without pandering, and if you think it's easy read a random popular children's book and explain why it is unreadable. Carroll, EB White, Lewis (Narnia), Dahl, and a very few others are unironically great writers and true artists.';

'>>23363119
I'll go a bit off the beaten path of Tolkein/Lewis and go, for young boys ages 8-12 (or younger if you vet the stuff carefully and read it aloud with your son):
Haggard
Stevenson
Richard Hughes
Kipling
Frances Hodgson Burnett
Baum
Kenneth Grahame
Pullman
Le Guin
That's the stuff I grew up on that I reread and still enjoyed, I think.
As an aside I'm fond of the Little Prince in particular';

'>>23362968
"Children's" books should teach life lessons in a fun and appealing way. "Adults" books are often nonsense telling some dramatic story. This is why my 12th grade teacher threw out all the curriculum and replaced it with uncensored fairy tales, myths we had to translate from Latin, and "The Little Prince". The latter work was honestly more important and influential to me than any of the "classics" I had to read in school. Every 17 year old needs to read "The Little Prince"!';

'>>23360314
Wonderland is one of the staples and biggest influences in fantasy
Once you get past all the Tolkien rip offs most fantasy tries the wow magic is so crazy and unpredictable and blah blah Wonderland rip off.';

'>>23362968
I think it speaks to innocence and virtue that had been stripped away by outside factors in adult life. the Redwall series fucking kills every modern fiction ive come across yet. Not nostalgia, i started reading them like 6 years ago. It reminded me of the first time I read Treasure Island and the Hobbit. (also having a simple, straightforward story without cynicism or masturbatory grandstanding helps)';

'>>23366133
>Moby Dick or Karamozov
Get off of lit, Jesus Christ';

'>>23362138
>autocorrect doesnt exist
Lol, retard.';

'>>23362641
>>23362946
Pedo';

'Beatrix Potter and Winnie the Pooh are better than cerebral fart sniffing trash like Alice.';

'>>23368689
those are for literal babies though.';

'>>23360314
We read the phantom tollbooth in an advanced reading program in elementary school. I don't really remember anything from it, though.';

'>>23367997
Read the post again dimwit';