'>>2678152
your best bet for a fak will always be buying your own bits and putting it together yourself. off the shelf fak are all shit, overpriced, or both.';

'She's served me well for years';

'Has literally everything, from trauma shears to dextro tablets, tick pe to eye wash ampules
Cause I camp with my Dad who is convinced he is immortal';

'>>2678165
fpbp';

'>>2678169
That is one sexy looking fak. Do you just throw that in your backpack or there are other ways to attach it?';

'>>2678152
>cat
>gauze
>wrap
>booboo bands
>sutures
>suture tools
>face valve
If I get more training I'll do chest seals, needle, nasal but everything else can be improvised or is better cured by food and evac';

'>>2678176
Isn't that just the typical drybag/salewa? They usually have buckle and loop that lets you clip it to your backpack straps/carabiners/etc';

'>>2678176
On my osprey she rides where the rain cover used to be, or the front mesh. My karrimore she is in the top ""brain""
My northface she is in one of the side bottle porches';

'>>2678152
I just carry the basics, not planning on plugging a gaping chest wound or a punctured lung.
>Band-Aids
>Gauze
>Tape
>Tylenol
>Imodium
>Aleve (non-drowsy)
>Benadryl (drowsy)
>Antibiotic Ointment
>Wound Closure Strips
>Alcohol Wipes
>Tweezers
>Rubber Gloves
>Lighter
>Space Blanket
>Ceralyte 70
At one point I had a cloth FAK bag, I think some tacticool garbage like 9.11 but I ended up swapping to something smaller and waterproof. Now I keep everything in a ziploc bag, the freezer type is slightly tougher and has the zipper type closure.
One of these days I'll take a proper first aid course and rebuild my kit.';

'>>2678181
>salewa
Gaymer detected';

'>>2678152
I had a feeling that there would be a lot of over-preparation going on, but then I don't know how far you guys go into the wilderness.

I take nothing. If I sprain my ankle I'll pick up a stick to use as a crutch. If I cut myself with a knife it will stop bleeding because it will only be a small flesh wound. There are no dangerous animals here that could injure me. I don't need anything.';

'>>2678187
Excellent list anon! Medical tape and Leukotape. Scalpel and tweezers. Aspirin never tylenol.

Most important if you use sharp tools or may be sliced, punctured or impaled: CAT 7 or comparable tourniquet if you can afford it. Two if you would, one for each appendage if a double puncture.

Mine is organized in a Sea2Summit orange medical dry bag, largest size, and carried in my chest rig. If I'm the casualty, somebody going through my chit can see the cross and get going treating/saving me asap rather than wading through my pack. At least in principle, so why the hell not.s4v2dp';

'>>2678152
It depends on how far out we're going and how we're traveling. If it's just a day hike then I'll carry a CAT tourniquet, a couple of band-aids and some tylenol. If we're going car camping for an extended period then we've got a larger FAK with everything from adrenaline to enough z-folded gauze to stop a horse from bleeding out.';

'>>2678200
Takes one to know one, my queer friend';

'I use a tourniquet';

'>>2678217
but it hurts, owie owie';

'>>2678165
/thread
Also Leukotape, which someone mentioned but deserves another. It lasts longer than pretty much anything else out there.';

'>>2678215
That's an american proverb that does not make sense. By the way Salewa stopped producing the one from the videogays much to the grimace of larpers.';

'>>2678152
don't have a fak yet, but all you fags creaming over larp gear such as CAT tqs, decomp needles and chest seals are fucking retarded, the probability of you gettin an injury that would require any of these rather expensive (and in the case of the decomp needle medical training) equipment is realistically nonexistent
if you fear getting attacked by an animal that would cause you deep arterial bleeding, just get gauzes and hemostatic agents, tourniquets will not only cost you a limb but probably your life as well from clotting, they're meant to be used in urban or combat environment where you're guaranteed to receive medical attention in about an hour
if you're afraid from falling from a high place, you're way more likely to get a limb fracture and head trauma than a broken rib that would result in either a closed or an open pneumothorax, so just get an aluminium splint

like seriously, stop wasting your money on shit that you won't be able to use and that won't help you';

'>>2678607
plus, i forgot to mention, if you're attacked by an animal that would cause you such bleeding, it will probably damage you in a place where you would not be able to apply your TQ, such as your neck and shit';

'>>2678152
Doesn't really matter what style/brand, as long as it's waterproof (if not waterproof, the things inside it should be waterproof) and durable. What's even more important than having a good bag is having the essentials:
-iodine/alcohol
-tourniquet (more than 1)
-diarrhea medicine
-anti-inflammation medicine
-Neosporin
-gauze + tape + dressing
-burn dressing (the gel kind in vacuum sealed plastic)
-Band-Aids
-tweezers
-scissors/trauma shears
-hydration tablets
-clot powder
-thermometer
-dedicated FAK headlamp/flashlight inside the pack SPECIFICALLY because you don't want to be in urgent need of medical and not be able to see. you may have misplaced or otherwise not have access to your light source
-space blankie
-splint
-100yds of 550 cord
-emergency rations (I guess this is optional, not really essential, but whatever)
What's even MORE important than having the essentials is knowing how to use them. Do some training bruv';

'>>2678607
>don't have a fak yet
Opinion discarded';

'>>2678656
>tourniquet (more than 1)
>clot powder
>emergency rations
>100yds of 550 cord
What for?
A marine whistle is a good idea to add.';

'>>2678656
>extra headlamp incase you get hurt an night
Anon, if it’s night time my headlamp is on my head and being used because it’s dark outside. It’s not going to be displaced. This is kind of silly.
>thermometer
lol';

'>>2678661
>marine whistle
What’s like, like a rape whistle? Some paks have them built into the sternum strap.';

'>>2678607
I agree about the needle-D and sucking chest wound dressing. It's likely overkill unless you happen to fall over onto some sort of sharp stick pointing upwards. If it can be afforded, there's not a great reason NOT to have one. But if purchasing it prevents someone from buying things they'll more likely use, then yeah that's silly. I took tons of med gear from the military, including needle-D and chest seals, so it was f-r-e-e that spells "free", credit report dot com bay-bee
All that being said, you're 100% wrong about tourniquets. A quick slice to the leg or arm isn't unlikely when we're talking about medical emergencies.';

'>>2678666';

'>>2678661
Whistle, yes, I forgot that. Good catch.
Why a tqt? Major artillery bleed, of course. Open fractures, among other things, can cause real hemorrhaging.
Clot powder: to help stop bleeding.
100 yds of 550 cord: off the top of my head, it can make a sling. It can hang an IV as well, but that's not really your average FAK loadout, I suppose.
>>2678664
>This is kind of silly.
It's not, though. You prepare for shitty situations, not ideal ones where your solution is immediately obvious and simple. Do you think people who lose their light source do so on purpose? No. It's arrogant to believe it couldn't be you.
And why laugh at the thermometer? You could easily get or be looking after someone who has hypo/hyperthermia, and it would be good to know if your applied remedies are working.';

'>>2678661
>>2678681
Obviously I meant arterial, lmao.';

'>>2678675
>not 12402-8';

'>>2678670
what kind of cut are we talking about? chop your hand of with an axe because you're a retard cut? because then yeah, tourniquet will come in handy
but if we're talking about any other sort of a cut that doesn't damage any major blood vessel, stay away from tourniquets, they're actual military/LEO larp that will do more harm than good if used on every bleeding boo-boo (I'm guessing I'm talking to amerimutts who are planning on going 30 miles off trail into the middle of butt fuck nowhere, North Dakota) (not saying you shouldn't own one though, especially if you're working with powertools for example)
>>2678659
sorry that the only things i've ever had to worry about so far were not being cold and not setting the forest ablaze';

'>>2678755
>I don't have a fak because I think I'm invincible and will never get injured
We know';

'>>2678607
I'm rich if not wealthy. I can afford my gear. Weighs jack squat. So I carry it.

Do it your way. In the field, I am a soloist. I won't assist you, anon. Be a dickhead. LARPer.tyttr';

'>>2678152
this is a reminder
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING MEDICAL OFF AMAZON, especially first aid or trauma stuff.
holy fuck there's so many scam chinesium brands that do everything they can to look just like the real brands (who don't even sell on amazon)
a big example is North American Rescue, a name any ems knows, and so there's a dozen fake brands all using the exact same NAR name, abusing scamazons joint inventory bullshit.

holy fuck it makes me mad that real tourniquets get mixed in with useless shit that falls apart. this shit is meant to save lives, with no chance of failure! fools will trust these fake trauma kits sold under a very real name till its too late!
Anons, please don't trust your life to amazon.

anyways, things like safety pins, razor blades, a wide tooth comb, hemostats, dramamine, melatonin, moleskin blister pads, matchbooks, cutlery like pic rel, etc, along with the usual first aid stuff for the puppy and I.
i like my first aid kit being useful, not just an emergency thing, i'd forget about it otherwise.';

'>>2678772
I don't buy anything off of amazon. It used to be a good site, but now it's just miles and miles of shit thanks to consoomers who pitch a fit if their five-dollar plastic bullshit takes more than a day to get delivered.
>wide tooth comb
What is that for? Anything special, or just literal combing?';

'>>2678681
>TwO iS OnE aNd OnE iS nOnE
Kill yourself';

'>>2678656
>>2678656
>diarrhea medicine
I'd suggest antiemetics too. If you're carrying tablets to stop shit flowing out of one end, might as well carry tablets to stop it flowing out the other
>anti-inflammation medicine
Specifically ibuprofen. The only reason to carry aspirin instead is if you're worried about a heart attack.
Carry Tylenol as well, for pain relief ibuprofen + Tylenol work better than either alone.
>Gauze
There's a difference between the little gauze swabs you might use to clean a wound or cover something minor vs big rolls of gauze or z-fold gauze used for something more serious. If you're carrying a tourniquet then you ought to be carrying both types of gauze and lots of it.
>burn dressing (the gel kind in vacuum sealed plastic)
Ehh, best first aid for any burn is cool running water for at least 20 minutes. Burn dressings are better than nothing but only use it if you don't have access to water.
>clot powder
Use hemostatic guaze, not powder. Fewer adverse effects (some of the powders can cause issues with needing to be cleaned out of the wound before the wound can be repaired) and are extremely hard to apply in windy weather
>splint
SAM splint best splint

I'd also suggest
>Compression bandage
One of the most likely injuries in a woods has got to be a sprained ankle. A compression bandage is going to make it a lot easier for you to walk yourself out. The same goes for minor fractures, especially in combination with a good splint.
>50cc syringe
It's much easier to clean a wound if you can apply water under pressure by squirting it with a syringe rather than just pouring it over the wound from a bottle.';

'what is a good bag (maybe even waterproof) to use to build a first aid kit? I have all my stuff but my shitty chinesium one I have had from REI has finally broken and I would like a nice one that has some level of organization in it';

'>>2678780
>wide tooth comb
>What is that for? Anything special, or just literal combing?
just combing. mostly dogs when someone forgets theirs, but I once had a blast brushing out this stray cat at a rest stop, lil fucker was going nuts loving it, I dropped the comb in some boiling water to clean later.
it could be used as a loom, or to store some yarn and thread on for mending n' fishing, probably useful for scraping and tanning hide too, but that all seems like a lot of work';

'>>2678859
I was wracking my brain on that one, kek';

'>>2678152
I think I found that exact pouch at a thrift store today for $4.';

'>>2678855
nevermind, hill people gear has a stretchy tool roll kit that is perfect I can use to put exactly what I want in it. Also, liquid IVs are really, really good to not only have in my backpack, but to stash a few extra in my first aid kit for quick help with dehydration.';

'>>2678780
Out West we carry combs to pull cholla out of our skin. It's the most used item in my kit.';

'>>2678880
>the fuck is cholla
>find out it's species of cacti in the genus Cylindropuntia
I actually learned something on /out/ today. Neat.';

'>>2678761
never said i'm invincible, just not retarded to injure myself, i understand that's a tough concept to understand as an american';

'>>2678944
this is exactly why I don't have insurance
also, fuck saving people

wtf is wrong with you lol, you need love in your life, man. go give your mom a hug and tell her your plans to never get injured.';

'>>2678944
>I won't injure myself
>there's no chance of an accident under any circumstances
>I'm unaccidentable';

'>>2678152
99% of first aid kits lack two key things:
1. Wound irrigation options
2. Paper towels (or equivalent)

I've used both of these things numerous times /outing/ and they made cleaning up small to moderate wounds very easy. You can't assume that a wound is going to be a neat, clean, little cut. Sometimes we find ourselves with dirty wounds and the combination of irrigation and paper towels is great.';

'What are some medications you would wanna toss in a bag that would require a prescription? I mean stuff like antibiotics; that stuff that would be helpful in bad situations but not something you can get off the shelf in CVS';

'>>2679153
Doxycycline. It’s a powerful antibiotic prescribed for pneumonia and bacterial diarrhea. You can get a prescription for it through an online pill mill. It’s called DoxyPEP.

A few years ago the FDA approved its usage as a post-exposure prophylaxis for various bacterial STD’s. Homosexuals take it as a sort of “morning after pill” to prevent infections.

Not really first aid, but if you wanted to prep for dooms day or something it’s an easy one.';

'>>2679153
Antibiotics honestly aren't that important for going /out/. Even if you're pretty deep innawoods you should be able to make it back to civilisation and a medical professional before any infection declares itself. The only exception would be if you're innawoods in a third world or if you get a dirty cut and then decide to not to turn back until the wound is already clearly infected.

The only meds you can't buy over the counter which are worth carrying would be maybe some sort of opiod painkiller. If you fall down a cliff and break a bone then good analgesia combined with a good splint might be the difference between walking out (or walking far enough to get a cell signal) and dying where you fell. At the very least it'll make waiting for rescue much more comfortable.';

'I would like to carry some hydrogen peroxide in my bag when I go out with my dog. He is a fat bastard and eats anything and everything. I would like to be able to induce vomitting if he, say, finds a half decomposed varmint and eats it and I want him to vomit it. What is the best thing to put about 10 tablespoons of it in?';

'>>2679160
>>2679167
Good points, maybe if it was for a long backpack trip you'd wanna keep it on hand but yeah, other than that not needed. What is the stuff they prescribe for traveler's squirts? That could be something good to have.';

'>>2678152
Same bag OP posted, found on amazon.
Contents:
Small pouch:
bandaids, gauze pads, antiseptic ointment, Vaseline gauze, alcohol wipes.
Main pouch:
2x CAT TQs
Shears
2x Mylar blankets
Nitrile gloves
Lighter and duct tape
Sharpie
Durapore tape
3x Z-fold gauze 4.5”x 4 yards
4” NAR ETD
Hyfin Vent chest seal
2x ABD pads
Chemlight';

'>>2679229
Rifaximin is an antibiotic for bacterial IBS. If youre in the US and your doctor is t getting kickbacks from the pharmaceutical rep, he probably won’t write a prescription and will just tell you to eat a banana and wait a few days lol.';

'i'm not at my apartment so i can't post a picture, but i use a combined first aid/toiletries/sewing kit that's in a small rectangular toiletries bag and contains (more or less, it's from memory)
>metal mirror
>various bandages
>anti-shitting pills
>antihistamine pills
>finger condoms
>finger splints
>neosporin
>baking soda
>baby powder
>vitamin C tablets
>toothpaste
>toothbrush
>tweezers
>tiger balm
>lip balm
>sunscreen
>cloth bandage
>tweezers
>eye drops
>needle and thread
>safety pins
>exacto knife
>parafilm
>disposable gloves
>alcohol wipes
maybe a lil more or less, but those are the essentials i can remember. eye drops are key if you like making fires';

'>>2679454
>>baking soda
?';

'>>2679645
- scrubbing cookware
- mouthwash
- put out small oil fire
- anti-acidic (like tums)
- bug bite paste';

'Related question, what containers/bags do you use for your home assembled FAKs? I got a small Tupperware thing that sucks ass but can't find a nice little waterproof bag anywhere';

'>>2679886
I bought a drop-down EMT pouch a while back, holds all my shit easily';

'>>2679887
>EMT pouch
I should probably mention I'm not a LARPer like everyone else itt and know how to manage risk so my kit isn't needlessly huge. Any recommendations that aren't overkill?';

'>>2679454
finally got back home and got shit together for a real pic. i need to replace some disposables like tiny alcohol wipes, bug spray, etc. the exact kit contents tend to change over time. i also ordered some HDPE plastic reagent bottles to replace the glass and will probably also carry electrolyte powder';

'Let me guess; you need more';

'>>2680853
some lil things i can add would prolly be a syringe filled w/ sterile saline and a marine whistle. my cat ate the rubber zipper pull so i could prolly tie the whistle to the zipper with bro line';

'>>2679888
>asks what other people use
>anon says what he uses
>n-n-nooooo I don't LIKE that one and you're a LARPER REEEEEEE
Who's the bitch with a shitty tupperware he doesn't like?';

'>>2678152';

'>>2678169
>no ivermectin
NGMI';

'>>2681446';

'>>2679153
Probably depends from person to person. I personally like to keep dramamine on hand for motion sickness/nausea. I used to have some ondansetron (which is one of the strongest anti-nausea meds out there) which came in handy when my friend got food poisoning from chipotle on a road trip. Epinephrine shot would be useful if you know anyone with allergies. Might as well get some of those adrenaline shots from pulp fiction while you're at it.';

'>>2678152
It is an old photo that Inhave posted on /out/ before as well, but the contents haven't changed too much. Can't take a new pic because I am at work now.
Contents are as follows: Bandages for both blisters and small ouchies, allergy medications, painkillers, viper bite medication, wound cleansing fluid (nowadays I just carry wound swabs instead), space blankets, tic remover and a lighter (lighter has been replaced with a mini bic), scissors, 4-in1 first aid bandage, gauze and medical tape and single use gloves.';

'>>2681450
>Epinephrine shot would be useful if you know anyone with allergies. Might as well get some of those adrenaline shots from pulp fiction while you're at it.
Epinephrine and adrenaline are the same thing bro';

'>>2678169
do you have a full item list? Mostly interested in seeing what I lack in my kit';

'>>2678152
>>2678165
>>2678187
>>2678656
This is all good advice. SAR-Medic anon here.
These anons got it right.

Biggest thing is making your route is known to others and to be deliberate in planning.
IFAK is good, Survival kits are good, lights, glowsticks, GPS's, and radios are even better.
Get your local rescue freq's.';

'>>2681446
The gay larper returns.';

'>>2684596
>has cosplay in the filename
Probably one of the only cases where "larper" actually applies';

'>>2678859
good for ticks too';

'>>2684404
>Get your local rescue freq's.
i have no fucking clue on how to look for them honestly, i just tried looking for the local ham frequencies table but there isnt a single mention';

'>>2678187
Pretty good. I'd recommend just carrying soap or benzalconium wipes instead of alcohol as a primary disinfectant though. Alcohol isn't great for wound/scrape cleaning.';

'>>2678205
>Aspirin never tylenol.
can you elaborate why?';

'>>2678205
>>2685918
Second for this.
I thought you wanted the non-blood thinner option and you could also carry baby aspirin for heart attacks';

'>>2678152
Do you guys bring any medicine with you backpacking? I've got a little ibuprofen, some acetaminophen, dextromethorphan, hydrocone, amphetamine, LSD, and a lethal dose of heroin just in case I fall in a ravine or something and am never found.';

'>>2686025
>>2685918
Yeah, his advice makes no sense.
Ibuprofen > aspirin in pretty much all circumstances unless you're having a heart attack and need a blood thinner.
There's also no reason not to carry Ibuprofen and acetaminophen, they work via different mechanisms so can safely be taken together for improved pain relief.';

'is a small travel sized thing of vaseline the best to keep in a bag for general chaffing protection and stuff? or other types of stuff that are better?';

'>>2686347
Big guys (lard asses, ham planets, fatty fatty fat fats) swear by Body Glide.';

'>>2686381
i'll look, but vaseline also has more uses too.';

'>>2686147
>acetaminophen
so paracetamol is know with other name in some parts of the worlds, huh';

'>>2679230
noice';

'>>2679074
Paper towels crumble when wet and leave bits, I recommend gauze pads.';

'>>2681446
>>2679230
Tourniquets should be as quickly available as possible cuz bloodloss is quick. Tourniquets tucked away in a bag with zippers (and that bag most likely inside of the backpack) only make sense if you also carry a spare bloodbag. What if for some accident you can't use your left arm? good luck rummaging through your backpack to find your unprepared tourniquet whilst bleeding profusely.

Make sure the windlass-retaining-strap allows the windlass to move freely so you aren’t fiddling with it while you bleed out.

Maybe im just dramatizing, but its you that carries a TQ so you better be ready to use it.';

'>>2686401
>vaseline also has more uses too
Like what?

>>2687744
Adrenaline too. It's epinephrine in the US.';

'>>2687996
anal sex, can be used for wind chapped/chaffed lips and skin, for minor scrapes and burns, and I use them for my dog's paws when we're out for a weekend and they get dry/cracked. Also not bad for when there is ice and snow out to put them on.';

'What is a good site to order refills for first aid kits? I am talking about single use bottles of saline, individually wrapped advil/tylenol/burn gel/ wipe pads, all that stuff.';

'does anyone have pocket sized kits?';

'>>2679172
If your dog is anything like me, hydrogen peroxide will just make him shit his brains out. If you want to induce vomiting syrup of ipecac will work, if you can find it. It's not used as commonly as it once was, because it can take a while to work - which is why they stopped using it. Meaning that, in a lot of cases the syrup was being administered but it would take too long to induce massive vomiting and by that time doctors would start packing people with activated charcoal to absorb the poison and then the patient would start puking it up. Honestly, if your dog ate something that was pathogenic I would either just get the dog to a vet or if it was more than a day out from getting back to the world, I'd consider taking crushed up charcoal and mixing it with something like peanut butter. Most pathogens aren't going to start hitting hard until at least 24 hours.
The only other thing I would add to the thread in general is that superglue is the GOAT for deep cuts. Way easier than trying to stitch yourself up. It heals up better, leaves less of a scar. I personally use the Loctite Gel Super Glue and love it. If you want something more "medical" you can get Dermabond off veterinary supply stores. It's slightly better, but not worth the 15x price difference.';

'>>2686143
>a lethal dose of heroin just in case I fall in a ravine or something and am never found.
kek';

'>>2690307
I was mostly thinking for my brother's obese golden retriever who will eat quite literally anything that it can fit in its mouth-tree bark, rocks, poisonous glowing mushrooms, decomposing animals, you name it. My mom is a vet and hydrogen peroxide has worked for all the dogs we have used it on kek, haven't seen one shit itself.';

'It is a little old but here is mine. I break it down into three things
>general first aid for blisters, cuts, burns, bug bites, splinters, allergies, the runs, and advil/tylenol/aspirin etc.
Mostly for things that are annoyances to moderate
>Camo IFAK with chest seals, hemo bandages, jew bandages, triangle bandages, ace bandage, coban tape, etc
Have it so when it opens up the things you would need in a severe emergency (gun shot, severe laceration, etc) are right there and almost fall out. Also has a big burn dressing and bandages and wound packing.
>Hill People Gear tool roll
Basically everything else and for my back ups (primary, secondary, tertiary ways to start fires and water treatment tablets if my filter and or boiling isn't good enough), space blanket, SAM splint, candle, paracord, bellows for fire starting, glow sticks, vaseline, condoms for my giant dong, tape, heavy duty chapstick for face protection, sewing/repair kit, comb, whistle.
I just need to add my compass back and one or two more minor things and to get a new TQ holder as my dog ate the old one. Other than that I am essentially covered for myself, a few others, and dog(s) for a while /out/. It all wraps up and packs up quite nicely; the tool roll and IFAK I only bring if I backpack or I am going somewhere more than a few miles/new and the first aid kit I bring always. It doesn't way much at all and it is a lot of stuff and quite redundant but that is the point of emergency supplies.';

'>>2693292
and here it is all wrapped up.';

'>>2678180
Just get self venting chest seals, don't need training.';

'>>2678152
I need to get another proper 1st aid kit, haven't carried one regularly for way too long';

'>>2693317
>Don't need training
One absolutely does.';

'>>2694498
>try to apply ACS without proper training
>put it on backwards
>sucking chest wound is now a blowing chest wound
Always get training when possible';

'>>2680854
>>2678201
>>2678607
this unironically. practically every post ITT is overboard';

'>>2678201
Unless your knife is made for lego men, you're extremely overconfident';

'>>2687967
>>2679230
everything you say is true.
for clarification the tq's in this bag are just for storage/transport to and from the /out/. once the hiking/camping/hunting starts i take them out and get them in a more ready position.';

'>>2687996
vasaline on a cotton ball is pretty good for starting fires.';

'>>2678152
>band-aids and gauze
>alcohol wipes and neosporin
>aspirin, benadryl, anti-diarrhea
>moleskin for blisters
That's literally all you need. Shit like tourniquets and chest seals are larp, if you are bleeding out or have a punctured lung 20 miles away from the nearest road you're fucked regardless.';

'>>2697179
>literally
>larp
>just give up if you get seriously injured, you won't make it
Why bother having a kit at all, then?';

'>>2697194
A kit isn't meant to save your life, it's meant to keep small open wounds clean and covered until you get back home. The pills are for allergic reactions and so you don't shit yourself to death. 95% of deaths outdoors are from falling, dehydration, drowning, and extreme temperatures, all of which can be avoided through common sense and being prepared. Carry a satellite phone or garmin if you're that worried.';

'>>2678169
>Has literally everything
I see no tourniquet';

'>>2697230
Nah, no point in cleaning anything. They're just going to get infected anyway. Better to just carry aspirin and weed so you can feel better before you die';

'>>2697179
>20 miles away from the nearest road.
Im sorry, I thought the thread was about first aid kits, not "out in the wild with no hope of rescue" kits.
You do know bad shit can happen all over right? From the suburbs to the most remote areas. Having a well stocked first aid kit is never a negative. Your not going to regret having life saving tools when you dont need them, but you will regret not having them when you do need them.';

'>>2686147
>Ibuprofen and acetaminophen
Max strength both of them and if you can get it an amoxicillin pill. That’s what we carried in our blow out kits in AFG in a “combat pill” pouch. I asked the doc about it and he said both together works better than morphine and the amoxicillin was to get internal antibiotics right away. There was something I don’t remember about it being dangerous to take more than once a day though.';

'>>2693292
>IFAK I only bring if I backpack or I am going somewhere more than a few miles/new and the first aid kit I bring always
Seems backwards to me.

If you're only a few miles out then blisters, splinters etc can all wait until you get home/to your car. Having the equipment to treat that shit is most important on longer trips where turning back either means an irritatingly early end to a trip or necessitates a lengthy hike back to the trail head anyway.
Emergency dressings and haemostatics on the other hand are used to treat immediately life-threatening injuries. If an arterial bleed is going to kill you in seconds or minutes then it doesn't particularly matter whether you're a mile into a comfy day hike or several days into the wilderness, you'll still be dead before EMS arrive.

I understand why people divide their kit into IFAK vs booboo treatment but in my opinion that's only appropriate if you're going to be carrying both anyway. If you're going on a shorter hike where you don't want to carry everything then don't make a binary choice between one or the other (IFAK vs comfort items), instead consider the contents of each kit individually.
Obviously I'm not saying you should carry everything all the time but the way you've set your gear up means you're ALWAYS carrying diarrhoea treatment with you and only sometimes carrying an ACE bandage. I don't know about you but I've never been on a day hike and suddenly started to shit myself out of the blue whereas I have been on a day hike and rolled my ankle.';

'>>2697237
Depends where you hike, most people don't need to carry one if tryna save weight.';

'>>2678169
Very overkill for /out/';

'>>2678165
But what if I don't know what I am doing? I think it's better to buy a premade one then.';

'>>2697961
It isn't a matter of experience; it's a matter of premade kits being 90% band-aids at a 300% markup. You can watch a youtube video for assembling your own IFAK, purchase the parts individually and pay a fraction of what you would for a premade.';

'>>2697841
Normally when I just bring the first aid kit I will toss an ace bandage/wrap with it in a side pocket (and coban tape for my dog) for sprained ankles or wrists from falls. I have a handful of TQs scattered around as well in my belongings and car and generally make sure to have one of those. I don't carry a chest seal, hemo dressing, israeli bandage, etc with me for shorter (sub 6 miles) hikes that I go to a lot (for example, I like to hike at camp grounds in national/state forests that are usually pretty busy and barely /out/). The risk of having an injury on a gravel forest road that meanders through the redwoods and has cars driving .25 miles away hasn't happened yet in my 25 plus years.
Although you do make a good point. Thinking about it now, I probably carry both of those kits with my close to 80% of the time. If I go to a new place I always take both. Also, always good to have a mouthful of pepto-simetimes the shits starts a few hours after you have that gas station breakfast burrito';

'Also, what is the best way to keep coban/ace bandages/tape etc in your kit without them being bulky messes? I can't ever seem to get it right and it bothers me desu';

'>>2680854
lmao. was gonna make this post.';

'>>2697237
>I see no tourniquet
maybe he is not an American school child worried about getting shot?';

'>>2698577
>gunshot wounds are the only thing that can cause massive bleeding
Maybe you should stay inside';

'>>2698583
maybe you should stop juggling chainsaws, 99.99% of bleeding injuries sustained while /out/ would only be made worse with a tourniquet applied by a non professional';

'>>2698594
>all serious injuries can be categorized under "school shooting" and "chainsaw juggling"
>source: my ass
Don't forget to change the wallpaper on your PC so it looks like you're camping somewhere new';

'>>2698594
Catastrophic bleeding is one of the few medical emergencies where non-professionals can actually make a real difference. In medical parlance, its a leading cause of preventable, pre-hospital deaths. People bleed out fast (often faster than an ambulance can arrive, even in urban areas) but its relatively simple to treat (at least temporarily). An afternoon of training is more than enough to learn when/how to treat a bleed with direct pressure vs a tourniquet, and that's enough to save lives.';

'>>2678152
Don't forget your SOFTT lads.';

'>>2693293
>first aid kit
>not one, but *two* guns
Murica';

'>>2693293
First and second aid';

'>>2687944
Paper towels work enough. I've used paper towel/electric tape bandages to make it through the day. The kind of paper in those foldable napkins from restaurants works better though. As someone else pointed out irrigation is important so have some water around.';

'>>2678152
None because I'm not a faggot that can't hike out with a booboo
If it's serious enough to need immediate care, I'm fucked regardless and I accept my fate.';

'>>2701902
>I am helpless and incompetent
>no, I won't improve my skillset, I would rather die
Why wait for critical injury when you can save time and off yourself now';

'>>2678169
My dad is like that too and he just might be';

'>>2679074
What do you need for wound irrigation beyond clean water? I used to have saline but it's a bit of a nuisance to carry in any quantity large enough to be useful, and lysis isn't something I stress about.';

'>>2704033
NTA but I have a 50cc syringe in my FAK for wound irrigation. It allows you to irrigate with a bit of pressure so you can direct the jet to actively flush dirt out of the wound. Much more effective than just pouring water over a wound from your drink bottle or whatever.';

'My first aid kit:
Triangle (ankle sprains, broken arm, tourniquet etc ..)
2xGauze rolls
5xAlcohol wipes
Medical Tape
5xGauze pads
Needles';

'>>2698577
>eurotard brings up school shootings when confronted with something
like a kraut to a jackboot';

'Adventure Medical Kits has the best organized shit in the world. They're lacking a few more advanced tools, but for "I got hurt and need to find something", nothing compares.';

'>>2697848
till you slip on shale and take a 15ft tumble.';

'>>2678152
I have a false molar with a large dose of ibuprofen in it and a loaded firearm. If the ibuprofen can't get me out of the woods, then that's where I'll stay.';

'>>2678169
I'm looking for a roll up pouch like this so I can throw it in a utility pouch or dry bag on a load bearing belt kit. Where can I find something like this? The closest I've found were some hanging folding toiletry bags but they were too small.

>>2678205
3L or 5L bag? How do you organize everything in there? I was looking at one in the store today, but didn't buy it because I didn't want everything to be a jumbled mess?

Also, what kind of chest rig are you wearing where you've got a 3L+ bag strapped to the front? Damn, nigga.';

'>>2678656
>-iodine/alcohol
Just use soap--use it for multiple purposes.
>-tourniquet (more than 1)
These are easy to make--you don't need to bring one.
>-diarrhea medicine
>-anti-inflammation medicine
don't need either of these
>-Neosporin
I carry this because it's light
>-gauze + tape + dressing
You don't need a "dressing" but the gaus and tape are very useful.
>-burn dressing (the gel kind in vacuum sealed plastic)
nope
>-Band-Aids
This is why you have tape
>-tweezers
>-scissors/trauma shears
Leatherman micra, you don't need Trauma sheers
>-hydration tablets
No
>-clot powder
maybe, but it's overkill
>-thermometer
no
>-dedicated FAK headlamp/flashlight inside the pack SPECIFICALLY because you don't want to be in urgent need of medical and not be able to see. you may have misplaced or otherwise not have access to your light source
Make sure your light uses AA or AAA replicable batteries.
>-space blankie
Emergency cold weather gear yes, not a space blanket though--keep that in your car
>-splint
you can make this
>-100yds of 550 cord
I carry some but defiantly not that much.';

'>>2705135
>nothing compares
Skill + knowledge > tools';

'>>2705241
My long haul medkit is a 5"x7"x2" Trout size tackle box made out of clear plastic.

My day-hike medkit fits in a dental travel case made of light canvas. It's around 4"x3"x1.5"

I always carry a little skinning knoif.';

'>>2678165
This, you can buy from medical websites and get all the shit you need for like half the price.
I built a truma kit for like....i wanna say 50 bucks? if i bought the same kit it would have been over 150 bucks.

Also generally you will have 2 types of kits.
>Ouch Pouch
Gonna have generic first aid shit for cuts bruises burns, rashes, upset stomach. shit that's generally not life threatening within the next hour.
>Truama Kit
This is your oh fuck bag. This typically is filled with things you either need training on/know how to use it, and genally is for things that are life threatening within an hour or less. Broken bones, laserations, deep cuts, bleeding, actual wounds. Typically this type of pack is not things you would use on yourself, its things someone would use on you, or you would use on someone because they cant.';

'>>2705772
>the person you laugh at for bringing too much stuff but always want to hike with.';

'>>2705761
Man, you wrote all that text but I'm just gonna call you a contrarian faggot and discard your opinion';

'>>2706287
>I don't know what a copy and paste is
fun fact kid: no one cared about your opinion in the first place.
You're not discarding my opinion, that's a cope, you can't counter my opinion and this is you crying about it.
Please learn to use your words like a big boy before being frustrated about your obvious intellectual shortcomings.';

'>>2706362
>please respond, my post took a lot of effort
Have a (you)';

'>>2706363
>I'm just here to shit up threads and not actually contribute. My parents don't give me enough attention.
oh, ok.. my bad.';

'>>2706376
>yuo're post bad
My friend your post is "burn dressing: nope" and "paracord: defiantly (lol) not that much". This isn't your personal diary, you've added nothing of value. But it sure is a big post, and for that you deserve a little pat on the back. Looks like you tried.';

'>>2706362
>you can't counter my bullshit opinions that I didn't bother explaining in the first place
I guess we can all go home; we have no chance against this pillar of intellect';

'>>2706378
>>2706382
weird cope.
The subject is first aid kits for /out/
Your obvious low IQ's make it hard for you to stay on topic but we are talking about how to plan for emergencies in the back country.
...I guess you don't plan at all and certainly know nothing about back country.';

'>>2706189
I dont bring the turama kit on hikes lol.';

'>>2706554
>"no u" but in four lines
Weird cope. The subject is first aid kits for /out/, but I guess your low IQ makes it hard for you to stay on topic and talk about planning for emergencies. I guess you don't plan at all and certainly know nothing about the backcountry.';

'>>2706554
>low IQ's';

'>>2706720
>>2706725
>Contribute nothing
>Spend several posts making excuses and saying nothing relevant
>>2705761
This guy gets it. I don't see any response to this beyond children seething.';

'>>2706717
>>2705772
Dividing a first aid kit into 'trauma bag' vs 'ouch pouch' is unnecessary in a civilian setting and leads to bad decisions (such as leaving potentially life-saving gear behind while bringing booboo treatment simply because of an arbitrary division in how you've packed your shit).';

'Here's what's in mine, though my hikes are usually ~3 day trips and rarely exceed a week.
> Disinfectant for wounds and hands
> Band-Aids (for minor shit)
> Duct tape wrapped around a pencil (used to prevent blisters mostly, or fix gear, probably my most used tool honestly)
> Painkillers (normal ones, nothing too strong)
> Anti allergy pills
> 1 small tube of super glue (never had to use it)
> Gauze
> Space blanket (Doubles as a heat reflector if you have a small fire going for the night)
> 1 Israeli bandage (which I carry for larp reasons)
This stuff has served me well for previous trips (let's ignore the larp Israeli bandage that I keep carrying knowing full well I probably won't need it) but I don't do too hardcore stuff. I don't carry antibiotics or similar stuff because if I get really sick or something gets severely infected I'll just abandon the hike and be with a doctor within 1-2 days anyways in the areas I hike in.';

'In the army we carried a tourniquet, an israeli bandage, and a thermal blanket, and honestly if your concern is survival, anyhing more is just extra weight.
Since then I've gotten a degree in emergency medicine and built around a dozen medkits formyself and other. At the moment I have two medkits I actually use. A small IFAK type one I take with me to the range and innawoods, containing:
>a tourniquet
>a large roll of cheap gauze
>an israeli bandage
>duct tape
>small flashlight
>two (2) space blankets
>some loose prep pads
>a sterile scalpel
This covers pretty much every possible survivable accident from minor cuts to traumatic amputation. Does it cover them in the most efficient and aseptic manner, no. But its realistic for field conditions and the whole thing fits in the back pocket of my jeans.

The second one is a large tear away type I have on the back of the head rest in my car, and inside I have collected pretty much all sorts of junk from ampules of nacl to hello kitty band aids, without forgetting the essentials of course, easily accessible.

Over the years Ive come to the conclusion that the best first aid kit is the one you actually carry with you and know how to use. Having a big ass med kit with chest seals and ibuprofein is nice once you need it, but are you actually gonna take it with you? Leave that shit in your car so that once you need it, its propably a couple minutes away from you, also seeing accidents on the road becomes a lot more exiting lol. Just don't be that goy who carries around a pneumothorax needle and doesn't even know how to palpate ribs.

If you're looking for places to buy your gear, this was what I choce for EU countries a couple years ago atleast. Had best prices and shipping, long expiration dates, actual brand gear and suprisingly no jewery.
https://israelifirstaid.com/';

'>>2704033
For anything eye related and burns. But its a pain in the ass to carry because glass amules shatter when they freeze, and plastic ones spring leaks unless you carry them in something hard.';

'>>2678607
Hemostats are a meme and a waste of money for a civilian.';

'>>2678607
Also tourniquets are perfeclty safe if you don't use them wrong. Find one case of somebody losing their limb to a tourniquet that was applied properly and removed in a timely fashion, you can't.';

'>>2707537
>>2704033
>For anything eye related and burns.
For eyes, I guess I can see the benefit to carrying a single plastic ampoule or two so you can flush a splinter out or something (especially if you wear contacts) but there's no way you can carry enough saline to effectively irrigate a burn (even most wounds for that matter).

The single most important thing you can do for a burn is to flood it with cool running water for 20 minutes (or as close to 20 as you can get). Without prompt cooling residual heat in the burned tissue causes significant progression of the burn even after its been removed from the heat source, a cursory splash under a tap isn't enough to properly cool any burn worth discussing and a quick squirt with whatever saline you brought along DEFINITELY isn't enough. Unless your only source of water is some shit-stained river in India then the reduction in severity of the burn from prompt cooling is going to outweigh any risk of infection from pathogens in the water.';

'>>2707549
Problem with burns is that they don't really bleed, so when you put gauze on them it sticks, and peels off the skin, removing any healthy skin left and exposing the wound. Wetting the wound or even directly the gauze helps. Same principle with road rash too to a lesser extent. Vaseline works even better and they actually make little sterile strips of gauze saturated with vaseline for this exact purpose.';

'>>2707538
I find them useful for de-hooking fish';

'>>2707552
That's a completely different issue to whether treating burns is enough of a reason to bring saline when you go /out/.

For community first-aiders, cling-film is generally the best option. It is non-adherent to the wound, provides a barrier against the environment and tends to be essentially sterile (if you're using a roll from your kitchen then discard the first couple of cm). Just lay cling film over the wound - don't wrap it (burns swell).
If you don't have cling-film handy (like, say, if you're on a hike) then any reasonably clean plastic bag or the plastic packaging from your gauze, bandages or other medical supplies (all of which should be sterile on the inside) would be another option. Maybe a cut off section from a mylar emergency blanket.
There's a fair amount of evidence showing that honey can be beneficial, at least for superficial or partial thickness burns. I don't recommend it routinely but I'd probably use it on myself if I was out in the backcountry.
>Wetting the wound or even directly the gauze helps.
If at all possible you'll avoid using gauze but otherwise, yeah, wet gauze is easier to remove than dry (rewet it before removal).

If you really want to carry a burn-specific dressing on your hike then a hydrogel dressing (e.g. Burnshield) is probably the best option. They're non-adherent and can provide some cooling effect if you are unable to irrigate the wound (less effective than just holding it under a tap but whatever).
Silver-impregnated dressings (e.g. Acticoat) are what we recommend to rural physicians where transfer to a tertiary hospital is likely to be delayed. It is non-adherent, can be left in place for 48h+ and reduces risk of infection. Fairly pricey and they need to be kept moist to do their job (although any burn serious enough to require Acticoat is probably putting out a fair bit of exudate on its own).
Paraffin-impregnated gauze (e.g. Jelonet) is decent and cheap.

Silver sulfadiazine cream is shit. Don't use it.';

'>>2707638
>>2707552
Oh shit, I forgot the /out/ist bushcraft option.

Boil some banana leaves. Multiple studies have shown that they compare favourably to conventional non-adherent dressings for the management of burns.';

'>>2678152
Tape, super glue, knife, antiseptic wipes

All you need';

'>>2707676
Fuck I forgot tourniquet';

'>>2678607
>tourniquets will not only cost you a limb but probably your life as well from clotting, they're meant to be used in urban or combat environment where you're guaranteed to receive medical attention in about an hour
Fake news
More like 4 hours';

'>>2708291
2 hours
>Tourniquet use for < 2 hours has proven safe, even in those determined not to have been indicated. Tourniquets left in place for longer than 2 hours risk significant ischemic injury. Tourniquets used for less than 6 hours should have tourniquet conversion (TC) or tourniquet replacement (TR) attempted, while those in place longer than 6 hours should be left in place with an increased need for limb amputation. It is important to note that patients who remain in shock should not have TC/TR attempted.
>Furthermore, if a casualty was in shock before the TQ was placed, then the “allowable” ischemic time is likely less than 2 hours
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10662576/

That said, >>2678607 is still retarded. The idea that "tourniquets will not only cost you a limb but probably your life as well from clotting" is nonsense if you're in any reasonably equipped hospital when they remove the tq.';

'>>2697961
>I think it's better to buy a premade one then
I almost (by a hair length) cut my veins with a bounced back exploded saw blade.
by the time I found some usable bandage in the premade kit (that I was sure is somewhere there under the "heavy bleeding subkit" protip: it wasn't) the bleeding basically stopped.
so I applied the bandage purely out of spite just because I spent like the past 10 minutes drinking my own spraying blood and searching the kit with one hand
lesson: fuck premade kits and make/organize your own or else you'll be fucked';

'Good comments.
I've got a few comfort items in my daybag: pills, blister, bandaids. And then a couple of emergency things: bandage, israeli bandage, glucose packet

My truck has a few more items under the seat: scissors, irrigation syringe, a couple of more bandages. I also keep a few tampons, pads, and unlubed condoms, all for multi-purpose uses.

I should really carry a naloxone thing also; that's prob the most likely thing I'll come across.

I also keep a smart compression bandage in my daybag because of snakes. I know it's unlikely; we all have things we unreasonably fear. Mine is snake bites and gas leaks.';

'>>2708500
>we all have things we unreasonably fear. Mine is snake bites and gas leaks.
Those aren't very unreasonable if snakes can fuck you up where you live';

'>>2678152
Controversial opinion, but it's shared by a lot of other guides I know.
If you can easily fit it in your bag, you don't really need a first aid kit.
The only worthwhile kit is going to take up a decent sized Peli-case on a raft or half of someone's backpack if you're walking.
Unless I'm at work, all I carry is an asthma inhaler because that lot always think "I haven't had a problem in years", then fall in the cold river or slog their way up a hot mountain, and next minute they're fucked. I carry one in my PFD and one in my backpack.
Oh I like to have some burn cream because burns hurt like a mofo , but I often give it to whoever burned themselves and realise I haven't replaced it when the next burn occurs.';

'>>2678607
>all you fags creaming over larp gear such as CAT tqs, decomp needles and chest seals are fucking retarded, the probability of you gettin an injury that would require any of these rather expensive (and in the case of the decomp needle medical training) equipment is realistically nonexistent
Agreed. This is all the shit that goes in peli case/backpack that I mentioned in my last post.
Trained to use everything, never used everything but an inhaler, burn cream, SAM splint, a few bandages.
All that couldn't easily be improvised was the burn cream and inhaler.
In fact, if you don't have specific cream, the main thing to reduce pain is to keep air off it, so you can use whatever if you need to - vaseline, gladwrap, anything so long as it's not going to make it worse.
Oh even more controversial... usually someone has weed. I'd never recommend it to a customer, but on a few occasions a guide has hurt themselves and one of us has handed them a smoke and said basically "here's that weed you brought if you want to take the edge off" then it's up to them to decide. Wouldn't use if head injury or hypothermia were involved.';

'>>2678152
moleskin for blisters is a must-have that many people forget.
Also:
>alcohol wipes
>bandaids
>water purification tablets
>matches in a waterproof container
>small fire starter
>compass
>whistle (I've thought about getting a mini airhorn instead idk)
>small flashlight
>emergency blanket
>emergency poncho
>pocketknife
>a few squares of toilet paper';

'>>2678152
Don't bother bringing anything you don't know how to use or when to use it.';

'i would gladly carry a first aid kit, but i have no training and don't want to be carrying potentially life-saving equipment around while being totally unable to use it past band-aids and gauze pads';

'>>2709285
>other guides
Guiding people through the printer ink cartridges at Staples doesn't count anon';

'>>2710050
Then get training.

Everyone should know basic first aid. Even just a weekend-long course could be enough for you to save the life of a friend or family member.
This is especially true if you're someone who goes /out/ and can't always count on an ambulance being right around the corner.

And if you live in the US then many areas offer free Stop The Bleed courses.';

'>>2710073
Larp bump';

'>>2712414
There's nothing larp about knowing basic first aid.';

'>>2712624
The acronym "LARP" no longer has any real meaning on /out/, since so many anons autistically screech it at anything they don't like or understand. It's like the word "witchcraft" during the dark ages.';

'>>2710073
>Everyone should know basic first aid. Even just a weekend-long course could be enough for you to save the life of a friend or family member.
Unfortunately not in all places is easy to get a course';

'>>2678152
bump';

'>>2697792
>There was something I don’t remember about it being dangerous to take more than once a day though.
Liver damage.';

'>>2716538
i mean that happens with tons of meds anyway, people should eat those like they are candies';

'I just carry a tick remover, maybe i should carry some meds or some shit';