'can't tell you how many times the ankle support of my boots saved me from rolling my ankles on a trail';

'>>2719183
Runners unless you're gonna bushwack. I did the Uinta highline trail (about 100 miles) last year in some Saucony peregrines. Rocky exposed trail and lots of mountainous ascent. Runners did great. Actually, Saucony makes boots too. They aren't brought up as much in the hiking world as altra, topo or merrell but they're really good quality and come in wides, even the cheap ones.';

'>>2719183
i would opt for trail runners no question, but that's personal choice. There are unavoidable trade offs. I assume that this will devolve into the weekly shitposting thread on the topic';

'Hi /out/, should I wipe my ass with toilet paper or wipes? I’m a fag who’s incapable of making my own decisions so please decide for me.';

'>>2719204
you have to be deeply stupid if you think that getting information from more experienced people means that you're "incapable of making your own decisions"';

'>>2719189
>rolling my ankles
I'm not too worried about that since it was never a problem for me not even when playing sports. Getting my malleolus checked by sharp rocks on other hand...';

'>>2719183
>and 10000ft peaks
So hiking on glorified roads in the Western US. In that case trailrunners would be better.';

'>>2719206
Ignoring knowledgeable local advice worked for Chris McCandless. They'd never have made a movie about him if he'd gone prepared and hiked back out.';

'>>2719247
Seething mountailet';

'>>2719247
Kek. "Ohh nooo, ve has die Matterhorn ja?"
I typed in "rugged European trails" to Google. The first one was the Tour du Mont Blanc. It's a graded trail and you can see town at basically all times. What a bunch of jokers.';

'>>2719183
Approach shoes.
>>2719189
>Ankle support meme
Your problem is you're fat.';

'>>2719183
Shoes don't matter except for ankle protection. Not so much against rolling (boots that are stiff enough to do that are to stiff to walk with, like ski boots), but against thorns, rocks etc.
Just make sure whatever shoes you buy have a hard sole with as little padding as possible to reduce the strain on your legs from keeping balance.
I've used feiyue (cheap chinese sneakers) before to carry a 20kg alice in the tropics and light (non-capped) work boots to carry a number of packs in temperate zones, and both worked just fine, the only downside being that both wore out rather quickly. Now I'm using heavy combat boots that can be properly resoled, but other than them being a little warmer from the extra ankle and toe protection, I haven't seen much difference.

>>2719255
>searchin google with an english term
>finding retarded results
You know, this says more about you burgers than our landscape...
Last time I even heard of a burger here in the woods, it was a tourist who got lost in a 400m square between roads for 10 days. No wonder those fags only hike on gravel.';

'>>2719255
I dunno what you’re seething about here. It’s a brute fact that in the Alps shit gets technical and dangerous at far lower altitudes than in the US.
So yeah, European scenic walking routes like Tour du Mont Blanc go around the mountains, as you might be able to infer from the name, while similar routes in western US go over mountain peaks.
All your coping is mitigated by the fact that I buckbroke a 4 km peak in New Mexico at a ripe old age of nine.';

'>>2719281
>>2719272
Ah yes. Such daaangerous hikes. Better wear some neon green and pull out the crampons.
;D Jesus you fuckers are so brittle ego'd.
Oooohhh, New Mexico. What a wild accomplishment you've done. Hahahaha Jesus.';

'>>2719281
>Oh look, the toughest hike in Switzerland.
The Canadians were right about you guys. Absolutely cucked.';

'>>2719204
>toilet paper or wipes
whatis,,,WRONG with you?,
,,leaves biodegrade in septic systems.,
,Mullein,,also lambs ear,

By calming inflammation, mullein may help the muscles in your airway relax, potentially easing breathing difficulties. Mullein is also considered an expectorant, which works to clear congestion by thinning and loosening mucous in the airway';

'>>2719293
>>2719294
And thus the Mutt is mindbroken by the Eurochad’s superiority.';

'>>2719312
Hahaha. Alright buddy. Have fun pretending seeing a parking lot every hike is real rugged and cool my guy';

'>>2719323
but enough about the us of a';

'I already have picrel but I'm gonna buy some trail runners to see the difference. Post your favs.';

'>>2719183
Minimalist boots. I like ankle protection and I like a thinner sole. Less leverage on my ankle.';

'>>2719183
I was crossing a boulder field earleir and the thought crossed my mind how thankful I was that I wasn't wearing trailrunners. In my experience, the suck of wearing runners when I'd rather have boots is much more severe than the suck of wearing boots when I could have gotten away with runners.';

'go to a trail town and ask a through hiker what people are using.

my boots are for snow shoeing, poking around in the woods in winter and not wanting to move to keep toasty. this board is 90% fat nerds whove never hiked before and prefer boots';

'>>2719272
>Shoes don't matter except for ankle protection. Not so much against rolling (boots that are stiff enough to do that are to stiff to walk with, like ski boots), but against thorns, rocks etc.
you have no fucking idea, I used to work in a shipyard and tried wearing normal shoes but I kept rolling my ankles all the time. Millitary boots actually prevents rolling, but you need to tie it properly.';

'>>2720137
He must be overweight to have mountain boots failing to prevent ankle rolling.
This board is mostly clueless idiots shooting their ego babble.
I once saw some dutch cretin telling another retard there's no snow on the Alps in February.
I mostly come here for shitposting except when I see retards that are going to kill themselves due stupidity.';

'Okay so I am in a need for a new pair of hiking boots or combat boots. How should I go size wise? Should I buy a pair that allows me to have boot socks in conhunction with regural socks on or just the regural socks? They will be used during spring, summer and autumn. For winters I have a pair of M77 combat boots that allow me to wear double thick wool socks.';

'undefined';

'>>2720165
Unfortunately, to do either you would have to go outside. Clearly it's been established that you don't.';

'>>2720172
the only time you spend outside is on your knees behind a dumpster, fruitcake. get the fuck off my trails';

'>>2720163
>hiking boots or combat boots
Not the same thing in my opinion.
>Should I buy a pair that allows me to have boot socks in conhunction with regural socks on or just the regural socks?
With boots, I wear double pure wool socks all year round in any weather, even +30°C, a thin one against the skin, medium or heavy over it.
I recommend you buy boots in person. Wear the socks you'll use on your trips while trying them on, push your foot all the way to the front: there should be about one finger worth of space behind your heel.';

'>>2719183
high boots are good for off-trail, or poorly maintained trails
high boots are good for mud
high boots are good when you can't see the ground you're walking on (like at night, or when obscured by foliage)
high boots are good for walking steeply downhill
high boots generally dry slower
high boots are generally suited for colder weather
high boots prevent ingress of debris (including parasites)
sneakers are good for well-maintained trails
sneakers are good for walking steeply uphill
sneakers generally dry faster
sneakers are generally suited for warmer weather
sneakers permit the ingress of debris (again including parasites)

take all of that into consideration. also consider that there are many hybrid types of footwear. you can get 8 inch tall jungle boots with trail runner type soles (nike SFB, rocky s2v). you can wear ankle boots and augment them with gaiters. your weight and height also play a role. tall men have longer legs and a higher center of gravity, and so are more likely to favor tall boots. short men conversely tend to favor shorter boots, and shoes. some people have defective ankles and "roll" them all the time - and they need to wear tall boots.

nobody can tell you what is right for you. only you know that. open google earth and enable photos. look at pictures near your route. read accounts online.';

'>>2720177
Lol fag. Why do you keep obsessing about gay shit? You don't go outside and you're retarded too. Have fun being a loser online.';

'I've been very happy with these Scarpa Rapids, I wear a size 13 in your US sizes so weight is pretty important to me.
Hiking boots are for fat weekend warriors, unless you're climbing for real with a pack you don't need boots.';

'Op here, this is some of the terrain I expect to find.
Obviously this is a very nice day but there will be plenty of rain and snow at higher elevation.';

'>>2720195
If thats the case I'll advice that you wear high boots. The downsides of wearing boots are not that big of a problem';

'>>2719183
>sneakers: will get you any distance without feeling tired, but not waterproof
>boots: comfortably travel a fair distance but you'll get tired, and they are usually water resistant and other things';

'>>2719247';

'>>2720165
The "on trails" part is unnecessary because boots are also superior for trailless hiking. Otherwise a quality meme';

'>>2720178
Well I need boots that I can use in both reservist activities and hiking. So either combat boots or black colour hiking boots that would be okay to be worn with field uniform.
>buy boots in person
That's sadly a no go because the stores within reasonable range from my home don't sell boots that would be acceptable for the reservist tasks. And why I'd want to have boots that could do both? That is so that I could get the most bang out of my buck. Also, are there any hiking boots without the goretex? Goretex seems to always let the water in sooner or later and then it takes forever to dry when they do so.';

'>>2720186
>you don't need boots
Ask me how I know you're not a serious year-round hiker. I bet you're really gearing up for "hiking season" aren't you?';

'>>2720195
Either or. That's not enough scrub that it's hard to avoid. But boots would allow you to tramp on through. I'd probably just toss on some gaiters and use runners though since that's rocky enough terrain that I wouldn't worry about getting bogged down in any mud.';

'>>2719281
This autist cant help but get himself BTFO at least once a month';

'>>2720226
Oh look. I'm hiking up an avalanche in trail runners. Remind me again why I need boots?';

'>>2720218
Why not sticking to M77 all year?
There's a number of brands from the Alpine area selling unlined traditional mountain boots, though they're usually brown. There must be someone making those in your area as well.';

'>>2719294
>Oh look, the toughest hike in Switzerland.
>eiger-trail-start.jpg
>The Eiger Trail is an easy-to-moderate difficulty hiking trail that takes about 3 hours to do.
(From Swiss website)
seethe more mutt, maybe the toughest hike physically possible for an amerilard tourist';

'>>2720246
Cope. That's just as hard as trails get in Eurape. Hahaha.';

'>>2720231
>he calls a light dusting of snow an "avalanche"
You can't make this shit up';

'>>2720259
Nigger.... You can see the tree stumps from where they got torn down. This is a weak bait, even for you.';

'>>2720231
>I'm hiking up an avalanche
>hiking on rock hard compacted snow
wow. quite a challenge in your slippers im sure.';

'>>2720265
:D lol keep seething
Runner superiority every day.';

'>>2720266
>knows im right
>deflects
lol';

'>>2720272
>Doesn't go outdoors
>Malds about others going outdoors
Keep getting proven wrong bootyboy. Kek.';

'>>2720276
>mewling at windmills
>isnt smart enough to keep up
many such cases. sad!';

'>>2720282
>People who go outside all year need boots
>"Climbing slick avalanche with 30% inclines in runners"
>N-n-not that outdoors. *Shifts goalposts* m-m-my boots could do that easily if they tried... Promise!
Mald nigger. Fat feet in boots never go anywhere anyways. Living in mommies basement does that to a guy.';

'>>2720283
dude. I have made 3 posts in this thread. I simply pointed out that walking up avi fallout is like walking on rocks and would be easy to do in just about any shoe.

Please take the voices and demons in your head and shove them up your ass.';

'>>2720195
Did this trail in runners with no issues.
6’ 1”, 175lb lean, 7” dick, 125IQ';

'>>2720284
>Mad
>Deflects with effeminate speech
>Has never hiked on snow, more or less avalanche snow, does not know what is required.
Any more stupid statements to make or you done here?
>Captcha: BASEDSD';

'>>2720289
>acting like that's the most rugged terrain imaginable
>posting his dumbass stats like he's looking for a date on grindr or something
fuck off';

'>>2720292
>avalanche snow
Just stop. It was dumb enough the first time.';

'>>2720253
>That's just as hard as trails get in Eurape.
You've literally never left your home state lardarse, let alone your country. European trails are harder than American trails mainly for the fact that Amerisharts are so much more unhealthy as a result of driving everywhere and slurping HFCS, that they'd be constantly dying and/or trying to sue the state/national park etc. that manages the trail.';

'>>2720292
>seething gibberish
>visible autism
>delusional
lol';

'>>2719253
excellent point anon

>>2720180
this is good

>>2719183
another thing to consider is durability. I have had some leather walking boots for 5 years now. they need resoling but are still in great condition and will probably last another 5 with regular use. trail runners and synthetic boots just won't hang together that long. so of course you'll save some money and there's also satisfaction in having the same sturdy gear year after year.';

'>>2720315
>>2720317
Reply again.';

'>>2720316
I've conquered every worthwhile mountain in Western Europe. Your most "advanced" trail would be regularly ascended by an American child in sandals. And is frequently already ascended by retirees from your own country.';

'>>2720235
Well the pair I own is so large that I will have to wear two pairs of thick wool socks. I accidentally got the M77 a size too large, but for winter use they are perfect when it is really cold. Therefore, they are too warm for other than winter use.';

'>>2720323';

'>>2720327
Lol. Reply again.';

'>>2720328';

'>>2720316
Why are you engaging with a guy looking to farm (You)s?';

'>>2720331
Hahaha.
Reply again =D';

'>>2720325
>Your most "advanced" trail
And which would that be?';

'>>2720334
Cos funny init';

'>>2720335';

'>>2720336
Matterhorn, mont Blanc, I climbed gran paradiso with a literal child. Take your pick, all laughably easy and everyone on them was comedically overgeared like they were some grand Himalayan adventurers.';

'>>2720338
Reply again. More wojak this time.';

'>>2720339
>most advanced
>matterhorn
>mont blanc
lmao those are the most popular, catered-to-tourist walks going. larp more';

'>>2720342
Exactly. Your average European experience. No wilderness and in sight of a parking lot at all times. In fact, you'd struggle to name 3 mountains in Eurape that don't fit that bill.';

'>>2720319
Yeah the durability part is important to me since I'm not swimming in money, then again decent boots cost at least twice as much as trail runners.
For me the biggest advantage of trail runners is how light, nimble and responsive they feel when compared to boots, at least compared to the work type ones I wear, maybe proper hiking boots feel different.';

'>>2720340
sorry. im all out of depictions of how retarded you are.';

'>>2720347
Reply again. More S o i';

'>>2719183
>trail running
hahahahahahaha';

'>>2720346
The kinda boots that are good for hiking aren't really designed to be resoled or anything like a traditionally made boot, they're gonna wear in a similar way to a trail runner.
Now in the case of boots that are designed for repair-
I've got some logger work boots I've taken hunting and resoled once in 10 years, really awesome pair. But they're like 2lbs a boot. Even hiking ten miles in a day with them sucked serious titties. I wear them any time I gotta do anything I might drop something on my foot or really beat the shit out of them. But I would not have been able to do a 400 mile through hike with them in anywhere near the kind of time I could do it in some nice trail runners. If you're looking for long term durability and not going to burn rubber on trail that's a reasonable choice. You wanna go hard on trail and replacing shoes every year isn't a huge factor get some runners.';

'>>2720348
ok';

'>>2720353
Better. Weak children ought to know their place.';

'>>2720358
ok';

'>>2720359
Reply again.';

'>>2720361
ok';

'>>2720362
ok';

'>>2720363

no you';

'>>2720365

no you';

'>>2720367
yes you';

'>>2720368
yes you';

'>>2720369
reply again';

'>>2720370
ok';

'>>2720371
if you reply again you admit to being a cocksucking faggot who has never left his mother's basement and is currenlty taking her bull's big cock right up your ass. post a pic.';

'>>2720373
>t. mad';

'>>2720375
>projection
welp. at least you admit your a faggot lol.';

'>>2720377
>t. Mald';

'>>2720377
Also you're* kek.';

'>>2720381
ok';

'>>2720382
ok';

'>>2720383
>admits to being a faggot
ok';

'>>2720384
>t. mad. And butthurt about it.';

'>>2720387
ok';

'>>2720388
ok';

'>>2720390
>still seething
lol';

'>>2720392
>t. mad, and bald';

'>>2720394
ok';

'>>2720398
Reply again.';

'>>2720400
no you';

'>>2720402
reply again';

'>>2720400
>>2720402
Why don’t you guys just fuck and get it over with?';

'>>2720406
no you';

'>>2720408
reply again';

'>>2720409
no you';

'>>2720410
reply again.';

'>>2720412
no you';

'>>2720413
reply again.';

'>>2720414
no you';

'>>2720415
reply again.';

'>>2720417
no you';

'>>2720418
reply again.';

'>>2720339
wow, what's next? Kilimanjaro? Mt Fuji?
you absolute animal
no wonder you need boots for those, how did you call them, "advanced trails"?';

'>>2720427
Sorry, there weren't any harder trails in Eurape.';

'>>2720421
no you';

'>>2720431
reply again.';

'>>2720433
no you';

'>>2720434
reply again.';

'>>2720437
no you';

'>>2720434
>>2720433
Holy shit fucking touch grass you sad fucks, never seen such a terminal case of not going /out/
I don't know if it'd be sadder if you're genuinely two autists arguing or one schizo talking to themselves';

'>>2720438
reply again.';

'>>2720442
yes you';

'>>2720443
reply again.';

'>>2720440
lol. that sad fuck has no idea. I got all night';

'>>2720445
yes you';

'>>2720448
reply again.';

'>>2720450
you';

'>>2720452
reply again.';

'>>2720454
you';

'>>2720455
reply again.';

'>>2720457
you first';

'>>2720458
reply again.';

'>>2720463
you first';

'dudes';

'Ending this dumb thread';

'ending this dumb thread';

'>>2720472
reply again.';

'>>2720486
youfirst';

'>>2720478
it's just one autist mutt having a meltie after getting absolutely btfo earlier in the thread';

'>>2720489
reply again.';

'>>2720496
>thinks delusional cope will wash it all away
lol';

'>>2720497
you first';

'>>2720496
>autist
>makes dozens of innane replies
>calls others autist
LOL';

'>>2720500
reply again.';

'>>2720502
I already did. Now you reply';

'Jannies pls kill this thread';

'>>2720496
>mutt mutt mutt
>btfo
Not even going to read the thread, already know you're full of shit';

'>>2720507
>>2720501
>>2720499
you're not fooling anyone';

'>>2720509
>everyone is the same person
Christ we need post IDs';

'>>2720504
reply again.';

'>>2720518
Your turn!';

'>>2720510
>>2720509
>>2720507
>>2720501
I want you guys to understand how easy it was to break this tard and turn him into a paranoid delusional mess.';

'>>2720522
reply again.';

'>>2720523
'you guys'? That was all me';

'>>2720524
Hi!';

'>>2720523
>delusional mess';

'>>2720543
reply again.';

'>>2720552
>hes still sperging out
lmao';

'The fuck is wrong with you bubbas? Are you seven years of age? Get a bloody grip.';

'>>2720557
reply again.';

'>>2720559
hold on I have to go eat my tendies';

'>>2720544
kek';

'>>2720560
Kk. See you later';

'>>2719183
>>2720180
OP literally this. I normally wear my Altras with gaiters for trailed stuff because I like to run but I will gladly wear my boots (Garmont NFS, I wear them in uniform for work anyways) for wetter, muddier, rougher, and colder stuff. I do both offtrail and trailed stuff and the correct answer is that it really depends.

For your situation, I would recommend trail runners if you don't expect snow but you are going in spring at high altitudes. The most important thing is that you've broken in whatever footwear you choose and then you are comfortable with it. I've done boot runs and they aren't that bad and I've done rough hikes in trail runners and been fine. If you do do trail runners, gaiters are an absolute must.';

'>>2720186
i imagined a dude in his socks taking a photo of dirty shoes on a rock in the middle of nowhere and giggled';

'>>2720505
Don't kill thread
This is a containment thread for retards. Anyone that lurks here long enough knows it. Go to the board and see how the other threads are better.';

'>>2720544
I have no part of this converstaion and didn't follow it at all.
I'm just posting to call you a moron for posting a screen grab as if it's proof of anything on a website notorious for image manipulation.

Feel bad about being retarded.';

'>>2720870
>I have no part of this converstaion and didn't follow it at all.
sure buddy';

'>>2720165
The vast majority of Hoka’s look so damn ugly.';

'>>2721112
My Speedgoat 5's are clown, Ronald McDonald red. Truly hideous.

But I've got huge feet. You take what's available in your size when your parameters are rare. Love my Hoka's regardless. Excellent performers and very comfy shoes.';

'>>2721130
If you have really wide feet get Altra or some other brand that offers foot shape shoes.';

'>>2721135
Altra are legit not wide enough, the midfoot is too narrow. Just a bit of a weird shape on them. They go skinny heel to even skinnier mid before widening out.';

'>>2719247
>>2719255
OP is probably doing the Colorado Trail. It is literally the most bougie hiking trail ever.

You do 100 miles from Denver to the mountains. Then you get to the resort playground area where there is a hostel every 20 miles, and they’re basically multi millions luxury mountain homes with bunk beds and a common kitchen and a hot tub and a Whole Foods right down the road. I think that there are more cannabis dispensaries and micro-breweries along the trail than there are official campsites and mountain shelter lean to’s.

Then you do the last 150 miles, with a small section that goes through a wilderness area. And it ends in Durango which is basically a small city with a college, it’s akin to an upper middle class Seattle satellite suburb';

'>>2719183
I don't weigh a lot (72kg), but carry a heavy pack, so the boot and ankle support has helped me with that';

'>>2720480
>>2721130
Just got some brand new all black trail runners. I really like that I don’t have to clean them when I get back home. All black is the way to, except maybe it’s not the best for detecting ticks that might be crawling up towards your legs.';

'Alright, so I bought a pair of Scarpa trail runners, and am wondering wtc some merino ankle socks,with pompoms?Any recommended brands?';

'>>2720165
>ankle support
yikes, I bet you like wearing a collar and a leash and dragging around a big metal ball chained to your leg

and you paid $250 for it too';

'Do any anons have recommendations for someone whose feet sweat a ton? I'm looking for something airy and am considering the the Salomon S/LAB ultra 3's but don't know if trail runners are the way. For context I hike quite often for my job in the military and get a ton of blisters from sweat feet in my boots.';

'>>2719325
Had my moabs for two years. I had to replace the laces on mine after a month. Plus I think mine has a hole in the Gore Tex as it got wet inside during my last multi day hike in Tasmania. I'll look for another mid height boot for my next one, good compromise.';

'>>2721884
Apply Gold Bond powder or equivalent. Consider affixing Leukotape where you're blistering as a preventative measure -- it breathes. Never put it on a blister, the adhesive will rip skin off. Wash your feet before bed every night when possible to keep them dry. Wear snug thin running socks under Darn Toughs.

I sweat everywhere like the foul animal I am. After two hours movement my feet smell like expensive cheese.';