'>>2719604
>due to wife
you answered your own question

t. wife';

'>>2719604
You answered your own question...
>camper owner due to wife
/thread';

'>>2719607
yours was funnier than mine. i forfeit';

'>>2719604
you can life in relative luxury and easily/cheaply/quickly move when your towns demographics go bad';

'the epitome of spoiled boomer american, its literally hauling an apartment to a place thats barely the outdoors because its a fucking trailer full of bullshit that needs hookups

every single national and state park is full of these fucking things, rich spoiled boomers will leave them unattended all week at a campsite(at 50 bucks USD a night) just to reserve a campsite for a weekend. its fucking insanity.

i bought one of these for 7500 bucks and its the perfect blend of mobility and amenities, pair it with a bicycle and its the most freedom youre going to have. the only other thing that would be better would be maybe one of the horrendously overpriced custom built composite shells on a good truck chassis.';

'>>2719604
Idk how you'd want to live in Suburbia. One day id like to own a house but due to my job (frequent moving) I'm leaning towards getting a travel trailer about that size and paying for a lot somewhere that has at least a pinch of /out/ in it's general facility which is better than owning a mcmansion in a suburban shithole. idk why anyone would get one just for camping though, that's just silly.';

'I like the offroad trailers but they are pricey and would I really use that lol I'd have to trade my overland rig in for a dedicated tower and then mope around boomer grounds and try to pick up kids on vacation I mean...';

'I hate how most state park and national park campsites are full of rvs now. No one tent camps anymore, it's just hundreds of RVs and campers in a row.';

'>>2719604
>>2719629
>>2719705
Have you considered not being so morbidly obese that you can't go places that aren't immediately road vehicle accessible?';

'Boomers gotta spend our rent money on something';

'>>2719688
Yeah that's the only point they become useful, if you need temporary accomodation for something like six months, usually for when someone's building a house in a remote area. There's little sense in dragging one to a shitty campsite for a couple days';

'>>2719604
Camping alone in a tent is scurry (if you live in a place with dangerous wildlife). And if you're not alone then odds are its with your family; women and children tend to bitch, alot, if you try to make them sleep in a tent.
>>2719626
>easily/cheaply/quickly move when your
This is a good one. It's a backup home. Not just for niggers or w/e tho ofc. I lost my previous home to a forest fire.
>>2719629
>needs hookups
u wot mate?
Campers have tanks and batteries. They can usually function for atleast a few days on their own. Solar panels help, Though if you want to run the 120/240v plugs youll need to fire up a generator, 0therwise you need to use 12v stuff.

Also, depending on the type you have, and how rough you're willing to get with it, you can actually take them on some fairly hairy terrain, truck campers anyways.
You do not have to camp at designated spots/parks.';

'>>2719705
if you're at a park campsite like that then why not stay in an RV? it's not like you're roughing it even if you're in a tent, you're in a crowded and maintained campground with services and amenities. tents are objectively less comfortable than RVs. people who go to state/national park campgrounds are usually looking for a relaxing and comfortable vacation, and that's why they bring comfortable air conditioned RVs instead of tents.';

'>>2719604
>muh wife signaling

This isn't reddit you massive faggot';

'>>2719794
boomers are spoiled as fuck and need hookups so they can run all their electrical bullshit all night so they can drown out their repressed emotions with television';

'>>2719795
if you are at any campsite easily accessible with an RV its going to be crowded as fuck and noisey, full of annoying ass children and drunk boomers so you effectively need a RV at night to drown out all the fucking banging around and shit and weird noises at night. a tent youre gonna hear every last fucking sound people make.

if you want to tent it in peace you need to get way the fuck out or campgrounds that are only accessible by hikers';

'>>2719713
A ton of people who climb and go trail running use RV’s (generally vans) because they’re not camping in the trail. Cyclists as well. They campout in their RV, spend the day climbing or running or cycling (or whatever), then go back to their van. Do you think mountain climbers, trail runners, and cyclists are morbidly obese?

Not every trip is an extreme hardcore backwoods survivalist adventure, but you can keep pretending.';

'>>2719604
Yeah, they’re pretty ostentatious, but isn’t that quintessential Americana?

Teardrop trailers exist. You can buy them for like $7k, or build one for probably half of that. There are even plans out there on how to make one. Any midsize SUV can tow one. Maybe even a small SUV.';

'I do both, the camper is just quick to setup and go right to relaxing but that's for the wife and little ones incorporation. Me personally, I prefer hiking miles into a mountain lake and camping/fishing for a couple days with no one around. Also, campsite people are usually cool to chill with when we do drag the grey wolf somewhere';

'>>2719604
>due to wife
Should have told her to buy, insure and maintain it herself, with her own income.';

'>>2720007
Average build price is less than 3k. This one was 2200, ready to camp.';

'>>2720018
This one was closer to 3k, with better insulation and a wider frame.';

'>>2720018
looks like shit, might as well just get a shell for the bed and sleep in that.';

'>>2720022
That shit had a kitchen, built in heater, full bed, solar power and sun roof. I built a few and sold them out of my garage.';

'>>2720023
>kitchen in something you cant even stand in

y tho';

'>out
>not going out
>not talking about trails
>not posting photos of trails
>talking about consoom
>comparing brands
glorified gear shopping website';

'>>2720024
NTA

The kitchens on these are on the outside. The back opens up. Pic is the Amazon book mentioned earlier.';

'>>2720029
I got Tony's book, I'm also in a Facebook group with him and could get direct input on builds.
>shell for the bed';

'>>2720018
My french F2 tent was forty bucks and the more I see the happier I am with that price';

'When you spend most of your day pretending to be deserted, there's little for actual outdoor activities to enjoy.';

'>>2720002
>[angry fatty sounds]
kek';

'>>2719794
>Camping alone in a tent is scurry (if you live in a place with dangerous wildlife)
buy a gun retard';

'>>2719604
You can't set up a tent in a city, but you often can park your camper, especially if it's a smaller one. It's a great way of traveling to foreign countries if you're in Europe, but want to save money on hostels and have more freedom of movement.

If area you're in is safe, then it would also make sense to travel by a camper 95% of the way, park it and go for a 2-3 days long hike from there (since you can't drive it into a forest) and come back to your camper to get washed, change your clothes and so on.

Camper could be your portable hotel, perfectly placed near any trails you'd like to explore by foot.';

'>>2720025
Same thing with /o/. I mostly gave up talking about hobbies on this site.';

'>>2720110
>>2720025
Then leave? Nobody is forcing you to keep using 4chan. Or make a thread you'd like and hide the ones you don't like. It's really that simple to actually do something to fix that, but no, instead you've chosen to whine about it like a bitch.';

'>>2720112
>if you don't like the shitty content then leave!!!
No.';

'>>2720196
Why not? You're not having a good time here.';

'>>2719604
in my country camping innawoods is illegal, official """"campsites"""" are the only thing thats allowed. It's also too densely populated to not get caught. I suffer in Germany';

'>>2720290
huh, I didn't expect Germany to still be so hung up on that idea of camps';

'>>2720300
Ironically a lot of Europe is like that. They have right to roam laws, but laws against wild land camping which kinda makes the roaming a moot point. Sucks, there's parts id really like to explore more in depth.';

'>>2720312
Sweden is a paradise. Idk if it is legal to camp in the wild there but the country is so big and so sparseley populated that you would never be found if you did';

'>>2719604
they are ok. they serve a purpose. I got to stay in one - my friends had pulled way out on some ranch out in montana and left it for us to use and we was way out in the middle of no where along a creek nesltled against some mts. was kino. We spent most of our time outside but having a toilet aint all bad lol';

'>>2719604
to me it always seemed a big investment to go camping 3 times a year';

'>>2720372
indeed. but a lot of boomers pull them down south and spend the winters in them';

'>>2720002
son, sit down and listen slowly, that post was making fun of wankers who are upset that they had to see RVs in a place made for RVs and car camping, when if they were the "hard core outdoorsmen" they want to pretend they are, they could go just a bit father into actual wilderness where RV's couldn't follow them.
But they are too fat to make that passage.';

'>>2720108
>but want to save money on hostels
Why would you ever stay in a hostel in the first place? Why would you want to bunk with a bunch of disgusting foreign strangers? I'd literally rather sleep under a bridge.';

'>>2719604
i tend to agree, but people like it. who are we to tell them no';

'>>2720461
>son
Opinion discarded';

'>>2720508
your father isn't coming back from the store, you should get that dad advice where you can.';

'>>2720091
Have guns, but they don't work very well while i'm sleeping. Also its hard to check your surroundings at night from a tent, without getting up, and nigger its cold outside.';

'>>2720498
Because I'm poor, but still want to /trv/';

'>>2719794
>>easily/cheaply/quickly move when your
>This is a good one. It's a backup home. Not just for niggers or w/e tho ofc. I lost my previous home to a forest fire.
Even if it's just a pod on wheels, it's on wheels. And sometimes solid walls are nice even to the rugged Paul Bunyan hardasses that no doubt lurk this board instead of being outside doing Paul Bunyan things.';

'>>2719985
Satellite tv recievers, atlest the ones we had were 12volt so could be run just on the trailers batteries. small televisions can also be obtained as 12v.
Many other things aswell can potentially run at the lower voltage, like laptops, that typically use a transformer on the cable to step down the voltage, you need a different cable.
ofc running all that shit is a good way to just drain your batteries if you dont have a good solar setup. A key aspect of camping in these things (without hookups) is greatly limiting your use power, water etc, if you expect to stay out for more than just a couple days.';

'>>2721210
oh for some clarification; never actually brought a satellite out camping, just used the reciever to watch shows that had been recorded/saved onto the receivers harddrive.';

'Camping in an RV camp seems more like experiencing what it's like to live in a trailer park, rather than experiencing what it's like to live outdoors in nature.';

'>>2721217
Ive done both, and atleast in my experiences, its not the same thing. Trailer parks are full of shut ins, rv camps are full of people trying to have a good time, was fun when i was a kid, got to meet new friends and run around lakes/rivers etc like little idiots, gettin ourselves hurt, good times. I outgrew it ofc though, if im going out now its to experience nature, either alone of just with people close to me.';

'>>2719604
>what is the point of these things?

They're nice for deer hunting as the weather can be shitty and you've got a place to hang out after the hunt and of course if you've got a couple of little kids, they're convenient.

>>2719629
>>2719794

Pop-up campers are the way to go, as you don't have to pack up your entire camp if you need to drive into town for something.

>>2720018
>>2720019
>>2720029
>>2720053

If you can stand up and move around, it's too small and you might was well just stick with a tent.';

'>>2721267
Pop-ups are in fact cool. They leak fast though, they all leak. Which, they're not hard to fix. Except the fact that the first time you notice them leaking they're actively dripping shit into your stuff while something fairly torrential is happening and you cant actually fix it. I have a love hate relationship with pop-ups. Now I just use a teardrop.';

'>>2721267
I've been looking at a hard side pop-up, but I'm going to stick with my teardrop. I'm only in it to sleep, so I don't need to stand up. Also, it's still lighter than a tent trailer and I haul it 9000 ft up a mountain to go hunting so I'm not using a tent there either.';

'Gibme offroad teardrop, plz.';

'>>2721559
Why not just get a truck and put a camper in the bed at this point?';

'>>2721563
Get with the times, old man. You can't rock crawl with a pickup that has its suspension bottomed out by a camper.
Though, you can't easily turn around with a trailer of any kind, so i suppose it's a trade off.';

'>>2721559
You can fit a double bed, fridge, storage, tools and all that other shit in the back of a 4wd just fine. People here in Australia do it all the time. In fact, I have never seen one of these stupid boomer contraptions.';

'I actually go /out for a purpose. I hunt and feed my family unlike you larpers who just go look at trees and mountains lol

I used to be a tentfag and talked shit about RV as well. But the tent has way too many issues especially when hunting. I'm not talking about backpacking tents, but wall tents at base camp. I still use my backpacking tent which is more of a bivy if Im on some elk.

Hunting out a tent, I found that Its very difficult to keep anything dry once wet. It's difficult to heat, wood stoves require stoking all night, propane heaters are a moist heat and doesn't last long plus you have to lug 20lb tanks with you, diesel heaters seem cool but that's another piece of gear to carry, plus diesel. Safety is also a concern, last year at elk camp, we had a grizzly walk by our tent at night, sniffing around. We had our 10mm's on us, and kept our food 100y away, but still it's not cool knowing you have 1mm of canvas between you and a grizz.

Having to shit and/or piss outside in freezing temp is miserable as well.

Lastly, tent plus all the gear, coolers, etc take up all the room in my truck's bed. Makes it a pain to pack and unpack camp. I'm also hauling dirt bikes,.which increases the difficulty of Tetris required to fit everything. Moving camp took forever, not what you want when you're hunting.

So I bought a toy hauler RV. I can fit all my gear, dirt bikes, side by side, ATV whatever makes sense for my hunt. I have a heater, AC, bathroom,.shower with 100g tank. I don't need to keep my food prep 100y away, I can just cook inside. Piss inside at night, shit in a nice warm toilet. Be nice and warm in the morning, make some coffee and oats, get dressed,.go outside, hop in whatever toy I brought and hit the trail head for my hunt. It boosts morale, increases my performance in the field.

If the spot isn't good, I just put away anything loose, put my toy(s) inside, hook up my truck and haul it to another spot.

Problem?';

'>>2722367
Bait was halfway decent at first but you came on too strong in the second half and blew it. Be more subtle next time.';

'I'm looking for a camper to live in. I can't afford rent but I can afford a budget camper. Not for camping. Any advice?';

'>>2719604
Use as a basecamp for REAL outdoor adventures.';

'>>2719604
when I was 14 in the scouts I loved tent camping. these days I have a bad back. I would still like to be somewhat out but also able to move the next day. this is why I rent a cabin. Fuck those shitbox trailers. they are poorly made landfill bait designed for poors.';

'>>2720312
right to roam = right to camp.
you wont even be bothered if you drive your rv or camper into a private mountain or logging road and camp at the end. such is life in scandinavia, and thankfully tourists dont know this so they still seek out overpriced commercial camping grounds.';

'>>2723647
>tourists don't know this
They know; they just respect private land owners enough not to take undue advantage of the RTR laws. In a decade or two you'll wish people were still so courteous.';

'I almost bought a camper a few years ago but i went even crazier and bought a house innawoods 1000 miles away from everyone i know';

'>>2723608
Nobody poor owns an rv, boomer';

'>>2722367
>hunting to """feed family"""
>totally not larping....
dude you spending this much time and effort on your hobby is the definition of larping. just admit it, you do it because you enjoy it knowing perfectly well that you could get far more meat for the buck if you didnt buy all this larp gear and just bought it from the store instead.
got no issue with your hunting just dont claim you are the non larper and tourist hikers are. if someone wants to spend 3 days hiking to see a mountain what exactly are they larping as?';

'>>2723653
im a land owner, my land is 2h from my current residence. please explain what damage a german tourist can possibly do if he drives his van up my road and park there overnight? i wouldnt even know, there is zero traffic there outside of hunting season and i got no reason to go there. would be far more curteous than them taking up every parking lot that people actually use including taking coffe breaks at roadside busstops. but then again, i enjoy not having to share these gems with others on my travels.';

'>>2723695
NTA but
>the definition of larping
Incorrect
>far more meat for the buck
lol, no';

'>>2723744
spending shitloads of money on camping gear, hunting rifles, bet he has a months income worth of camo clothing as well, probably taking weeks off work, to go hunting, yeah thats a hardcore larp and nothing wrong with it. im no stranger to hunting culture i know exactly how it is.
and fuck yes if he cared about feeding his family working overtime the same amount of hours he hunted and not spending money on all that gear would feed his family for a year.';

'>>2721267
I don't mind the small cuck campers. Compact and maneuverable.';

'>>2721585
But where do you store the guns, ammo bladed items, emp proof electronics and HE?';

'>>2720290
Only "zelten" is verboten. Get a hammock or bivouac and you are not pitching a tent. Theres plenty of spots where no one will find you anyways. Just set up somewhere thats not filled with people walking their dog in the morning. Never had any problem anywhere. Worst case is someone is complaining and you pack up and leave.';

'>>2723762
>if I double down it will be true and the definitons will change to suit my ignorance
Still no';

'>>2723944
>Live Action Role Play
the defintion is in the name itself dumbass, no need to change it';

'>>2723989
opps, sorry, wrong pic';

'>>2719604
>what is the point of these things
It's not camping. It's a cottage. But one you can move around if you want to or have to.';

'>>2723989
>>2723990
>hurr durr they're the same, look
I was unaware that people got killed, skinned and eaten during medieval LARP gatherings. You'd think they'd be more popular.';

'>>2723703
I highly doubt youre a land owner if you dont know what damage can be done by tourists in vans driving on it';

'>>2723762
>if only he worked overtime instead of hunting and spending money on gear
>that money could have gone to feed his family instead
>why isnt he just miserable indoors, like me?
You're on the wrong board, bubba.';

'>>2720290
brudi, ich hab innerhalb des ruhrgebietes wildgecampt. das ist alles easy machbar. Sei einfach keine muschi.';

'>>2719605
Yep this.

>>2719604
Easier to sleep in, more comfortable. I kind of get it. Like car camping but even more decadent.';