'>>2723134
>shelter
is this real? a tent poncho? does it work for someone taller (192cms)? id love to get one
is it like a tarp tent?';

'>>2723161
I think OP is talking about shelter halves. You can wear those as a poncho and use them as a shelter (usually putting two together). You can make do with a single one in various tarp setups but it'll be pretty spartan. I'm 6'2" and it works for me lengthwise. I have a plash-palatka (180x180 cm) and bring a separate small ground sheet.';

'Are military poncho liners and ponchos supposed to line up exactly when you tie them together?
I have a woobie and bought a couple of ponchos to try and and neither fit it well.';

'>>2723164
>plash-palatka
>soviet millsup
they really did make the best gear';

'>>2723164
Just to clarify, that means I set up a plow point. You get a diagonal of ~250 cm out of this. You might be able to set it up so that you have some of the material underneath you, I've never bothered. I enjoy the headroom.

Maybe some other anons can chime in with hammock experiences - I have none.';

'Not a single one has a great hood:
>rigid bill
>secure all the way to the bottom of the chin
>elastically cinch around the face
>adjustable over the top of the head, toward the neck


>>2723161
It’s a flat tarp with a hood. You can set it up numerous ways. You pair it with a bivy to keep bugs off and to keep wind-driven rain from splashing you.

Here’s a long video on them: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-FozSYZkw4';

'>>2723164
>180x180 cm
im a tarpchad already, and its 240x200cms and thats already a tiny bit too small (but not enough to justify getting a new one annoyingly)
>>2723168
>diagonal of ~250 cm
thats not how i like to set my tarp up though, i do all 4 corners pegged and one short side pegged in the middle with the other short side tied to a tree ~50cms off the ground and the long sides just kinda loose. how do you do it with the diagonals?
>hammock
god i hope this is a joke

>>2723171
>video
thats just a woman explaining how a normal tarp tent works, nothing special


anyway by real i meant if people actually use it and like it, and if its worth considering';

'>>2723174
>tarp tent
Tarp Tent is a brand. Tarps and tents are two different things. Outside of the brand name, there’s no such thing as a “tarp tent”.

And yeah, a basic explanation is exactly what Anon was asking for when as asked if a poncho that turned into a shelter was real.';

'>>2723168
Hammock tarps are usually closer to 132”/335cm along the ridgeline. A poncho might work as a diamond but that’s far from ideal.';

'>>2723176
>exactly what Anon was asking for
i was that anon you schizo. i would love to get one if it seems reasonable, and i said what i mean by real already

>https://www.bunnings.com.au/products/outdoor-living/outdoor-shade/tarpaulin-tarps
this is my tarp tent
>is a tarp
>used as a tent
>tarp tent
i didnt realise it was a brand, so what do i call mine?';

'>>2723181
https://www.bunnings.com.au/polytuf-1-8-x-2-4m-heavy-duty-tarpaulin_p3332351
i fucked up the link somehow, this is the exact one';

'>>2723181
No, that’s your tarp you fucking retard. Tents have walls and a floor. It’s really not complicated.
>non-American is clueless
Of course.';

'>>2723184
post what you think a tarp tent is anon, maybe my iq is too low because theres no lead in my water, or maybe its because im not obese, or maybe its because i dont eat 200g of corn syrup daily, or maybe its because i wasnt shot at my school, or maybe its because my countries political system isnt adjacent to a fucking sitcom
its a tarp used as a tent, that makes it a tarp tent';

'>>2723184
actually i didnt mention the funniest part, the american worships brands so much that if it isnt an Official Tarp Tent (the all new copy-written and fully patented goyslop youve all been waiting for) then its not a tarp tent. i would say that the american thinks theres a difference between mcdonalds and kfc but that would be sacrilegious probably';

'>>2723186
>its a tarp used as a tent
A tent has integrated walls and a floor. It’s just a tarp being used as a tarp.';

'>>2723191
you didnt post what you think a tarp tent is retard
>american is retarded
to be expected';

'>>2723193
>just found out about ponchos being used as taps 10 minutes ago
>is an expert on tarps
Ok

Also, I stated it pretty clearly:
>there’s no such thing as a “tarp tent”.';

'>>2723134
you can use one and a sombrero and fake moustache to larp as a mexican';

'>>2723195
>ponchos being used as taps
i didnt realise this was possible either, do you still need to use a filter?
if you meant tarps its no suprise that i havent heard of them seeing as no one in this thread can post any positive experience with one and the only example of one being used is from a woman whos paid to use one
>is an expert on tarps
more than you id bet, you didnt even realise they could be used as tents
what would you call what i have? just a tarp? but its my tent so does that make my tent?';

'>>2723200
>but its my tent
It’s not. The generic is “shelter,” which includes tents, tarps, bivvys, and so on.

Again, tents have integrated floors and walls. This isn’t just my opinion.';

'>>2723205
>it isn't my opinion
>it's a fact
>that I made up based on my opinion
Incorrect, but you get points for confidence';

'>>2723205
again, you havent said what you would call it. its a tent thats a tarp so how can it not be a tarp tent. do you want me to call it a tarp generic shelter? is that what burgers do, go up to people and say "howdey pardner, thats a damn fine generic tarp shelter"? are you trolling?
post your shelter anon';

'>>2723209
>howdey pardner, thats a damn fine generic tarp shelter
kek
attached is >>2723205 saying that';

'>>2723209
>you haven’t said what you call it
Sure I did. “It’s just a tarp being used as a tarp.”

Here’s my shelter. A DIY tap made 0.9oz membrane silpoly with a 132” ridge line reinforced with gross grain, 14” beaks, and 3” catenary cut sides. The suspension and guy lines are all Zing-It, and I use knock-off Loop Aliens.';

'>>2723215
>It’s just a tarp being used as a tarp
ok now im sure youre trolling
its a tarp being used as a tent so im calling it a tarp tent
if you have all these stats memorised clearly you care more about your gear than going /out/
post nose in your next post and ill give you another (you)';

'>>2723134
Hey OP i have used a poncho as a shelter multiple times where i use the setup in picrel. But with the opening for the head tied up so no water leaks in and the opening lower to about knee hight. A rope can also be tied to the capuchon and a tree to give it a better form.

You can also use a slightly different setup. Where you use tent pegs in al four corners and use elastic rope in the more inner eyes so its more sheltered against the elements.';

'>>2723216
Of course I care about my gear; I made it myself. Why ask me to post it if you’re not curious about it? It’s pretty transparent that you were hoping I wouldn’t post anything so you could say “haha you don’t have any experience at all so your argument is invalid” or something. That backfired so you reverted to a retard-tier /pol/ argument and called me a Jew.

And your shelter is still just a tarp. It’s not a tent if it doesn’t have sides and a floor.';

'>>2723134
well thats a pickle. I used a military poncho to block bed bugs before i got into diatomaceous earth. that was 10 years ago. Also useful was an oil trap. One of the reasons why I left NYC.';

'>im using my tarp as a shelter with walls and floor
>shelter has no walls and no floor
hm';

'>>2723234
>>2723235
you need to be 18 to use this website';

'>>2723215
Good job, Anon. Very few here took the DIY pill. The other Anon needs to post his so you guys can compare dicks and decide who’s going to be the top.';

'>>2723168
>how do you do it with the diagonals?
I do nothing but a plow point, it's too small to reasonably set it up any other way. I set it high in fair-ish weather. There are two reinforced strips in the middle on the inside (roughly at tramp stamp position when you're wearing it) that I'd like to fashion into a tie-out point down the line for some more headroom. Those strips had buttons on them when I got it, I've since used those to repair the regular buttons once they came off. I set the plow point low when shit sucks, similar to picrel. Feet first. Always have to take the wind into account - it will rain right on your head if you don't.

That I can use it as a poncho is the main selling point for me. I go fishing often and they're pretty anal about fishing shelters where I live. It's good to be able to just throw your 'shelter' on your body. It's easy to set up and move around with in any case, plow point or wearing it, so changing spots isn't a pain for me.

If you're on an extended trip or want some modicum of comfort you're better off with something else though. Or get a buddy to buy another half. Look at it like a poncho with a gimmick - fine for a weekend trip. Can't recommend in heavy storms or snow.';

'>>2723274
Meant to reply to >>2723174, not myself. Classic.';

'>>2723216
>all these stats memorised
>outside is like bideogame
What the other anon is arguing isn't difficult to understand. A tent is a tent, a tarp is a tarp. There's no such thing as a tarp tent. Boiling rice in a flask doesn't make it a pot flask.';

'>>2723226
>I care about my gear; I made it myself
impressed!,
,,,clicking Amazon isnothesame.';

'>>2723184
>>2723191
>>2723205
Not all tents have integrated floors and just because it is not enclosed does not mean that it does not have walls.
A tent is just any fabric under tension, it can be because of an underlying system of poles, a ridgeline, a penis, guyouts, etc..';

'>>2723371
>A tent is just any fabric under tension, it can be because of an underlying system of poles, a ridgeline, a penis, guyouts, etc..

>you buy or diy a tarp then you pitch it in and it suddenly becomes a tent.
>basically, a pitched tarp is a tent.
>it's that simple.
>huh? why do i need to call it a tent?
>uh, i um... I JUST HAVE TO, OKAY!?!
>...s-shut up underagefag you have to be 18 to use this site
>*sucks dick*';

'>>2723392
He’s going to think you’re me, and accuse both of us of samefagging.';

'>>2723222
Looks really nice, anon. Your pic looks like Australia, you from here? If so, what do you think of ponchos as protection from leeches and ticks?
>tied to tree
I spent a few hours the other day teaching myself the taut line hitch for this reason, I suck at knots. I will have to give this a go!';

'>>2723164
I have been watching folks on YouTube talking up the helikon swagman and any regular ripstop poncho as a useful shelter/sleep combo.
The guy shows that the poncho can be set up like a shelter and the swagman is fitted to work like a sleeping bag (or a bag liner at best to be honest).
It's pretty clever really, it all sets up and breaks down quickly and wearing it leaves more room for your pack for other stuff.';

'>>2723447
It's clever but not very comfortable. The thing with poncho shelters (and small tarp shelters in general) is that it's always a trade-off between how much room you have and how protected you are.

You can set a low plow point and you'll be cozy and pretty warm (your own body heat gets trapped good), but you'll have to slide yourself in there. It's like a bivvy, but without a floor and not enclosed.

It's even worse with the 'official' setup laid out in the manual (picrel, bottom left). Knowing it's only 180cm, anyone who isn't a manlet will have to curl up in the fetal position for actual cover from rain.

Now you can set up various other types (high plow point, diamond also come to mind) which give less protection from the elements but more space.';

'>>2723591
Just to follow up on this, seems like the Russians had the same idea when phasing out the plash-palatka. Replacing the old square plash-palatka poncho, their 'new' ratnik shelter is a rectangular tarp. Less wide but considerably longer, so that fits a man better lengthwise. Again, picrel.

But yeah, the ratnik is no longer a poncho, so at that point I'd just get a regular tarp.';

'>>2723134
I combine my bivy with a tarp so that when the near frost comes I have a decent paired up option. It's good being a regular size person because if gives you better shelter options in the imrpov. If you have a really decent sleeping bag it's amazing what you can actually make comfortable. This is my setup. Big enough to cover a thermarest Z lite and as long as you sling it low to the ground you can actually stay relatively warm. At least to about -9c as is in this pic. You might note that my pic is at night and has sleeping gear under it because I actually sleep out in less than ideal conditions a fair bit. Generally this is a good benchmark of people who set up daylight shelter but don't actually spent multiple nights out depending on it. What you should do is get one of the heavier guage ones for the shelter and a light one for the floor. The reason I used this is because I can just pull up stakes and wear my shelter as I leave. All I have to do is roll my bivy and bag up in a bundle, accordion the mat and unplug the shelter. Breakdown of camp is very fast this way and good for tresspassing. If you don't need the breakdown speed just get a DD3x3 and make an enclosed shelter with the usual coffin pitch. It's really comfy and roomy.

>>2723176
It's a type that isn't super common. Nemo makes them. Any thing that uses trek poles and lacks a floor generally fits.

>>2723222
Nice. I have one of these as well. I use mine more because it's lighter than the one in my pic but it's also strong. They are getting less cheap as they dry up now which is a shame.

>>2723371
Based factual anon';