'>>16113385
>Post op trannys are over 10x more like to commit suicide than pre-op trannys

Hello, quack reporting in to contextualize this a little bit:
Sexual reassignment surgery is actually super duper difficult and surgeons are both stupid AND psychotic. Especially cosmetic surgeons. For whatever reason the actual complexity and difficulty of doing, even a serviceable, vaginoplasty or a weiner-ectomy has become understated to an irresponsible level. This procedure used to be way more niche in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, and in a weird way if you were serious about it you could frequently get the best person to do it. No problem. Nowadays it's WAY more popular, there's only a handful of people who can do it 'well', so we have problems.
Like, constant pain, blood, necrosis, and hair growing inside your fake vagina problems.

>Well I heard it was good??????

I've read those surveys: they're vague and they don't do follow ups.

>Hello, I'm a hypothetical tranny and want my dick cut off, does it's over?

Hello, hypothetical tranny I've made up: do not cut your pp off. You will be sad and in pain forever. Please consider the following:
-Hormone replacement therapy regimes are actually really good now and way more affordable since they started making them out of Yams & Sweet Potatoes (phytoestrogen is real.)
-Facial feminization surgery is WAY easier, less expensive, and more people know how to do it well.
-Consider making some life changes like: going on a vegetarian diet and daily exercise (particularly cardio and lower-body work out). : )';

'>>>16113385 (OP)
>>Post op trannys are over 10x more like to
commit suicide than pre-op trannys

>Hello, quack reporting in to contextualize this a little bit:
>Sexual reassignment surgery is actually super duper difficult and surgeons are both stupid AND psychotic. Especially cosmetic surgeons. For whatever reason the actual complexity and difficulty of doing, even a serviceable, vaginoplasty or a weiner-ectomy has become understated to an irresponsible level. This procedure used to be way more niche in the 60's, 70's, and 80's, and in a weird way if you were serious about it you could frequently get the best person to do it. No problem. Nowadays it's WAY more popular, there's only a handful of people who can do it 'well', so we have problems.
>Like, constant pain, blood, necrosis, and hair growing inside your fake vagina problems.

>>Well I heard it was good??????

>I've read those surveys: they're vague and they don't do follow ups.

>>Hello, I'm a hypothetical tranny and want my dick cut off, does it's over?

>Hello, hypothetical tranny I've made up: do not cut your pp off. You will be sad and in pain forever. Please consider the following:
>-Hormone replacement therapy regimes are actually really good now and way more affordable since they started making them out of Yams & Sweet Potatoes (phytoestrogen is real.)
>-Facial feminization surgery is WAY easier, less expensive, and more people know how to do it well.
>-Consider making some life changes like: going on a vegetarian diet and daily exercise (particularly cardio and lower-body work out). : )';

'pls include me in the epic screencap of this thread';

'>>16113385
That's not what the paper says, certainly not the bit you quoted. It's also directly contradicted by plenty of other papers.';

'>>16113385
Wait, 4.4% for the vaginoplasty group and 1.7% for the phalloplasty group, close to the general population? What happened to "42%"?';

'>>16113559
>It's also directly contradicted by plenty of other papers.
thats why you can't quote any of those papers, because they don't exist';

'Those considering cutting their dick off should be banned from the internet for 1 year and forced to touch grass first. I don't know how this would be enforced, but I know it would save countless lives.';

'Yeah OP it's because these people were broken to begin with.

Most people's mental issues come from how they process their environment.
Trannies change themselves and demand a change in the environment instead of the natural reactive pathway of adapting to the conditions.
When someone chops off their junk and demands to be a real X or Y and the environment naturally cannot support such a thing they are faced with the worst side of the mental problems:
Facing their internal fantasy against the external reality, and running a "2 lives" thought process which contradict each other.';

'>>16114717
Trannies are overstimulated novelty addicts and chuunibyou who were encouraged rather than rebuked for their increasing bizarre behavior. A true disease of modernity.';

'>>16114669
Such hubris
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779429
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/930195';

'>>16115392
>AMA
fake news, they're not a scientific organization, they're a labor union trying to drum up business for themselves by downplaying the negative impacts of their profession';

'>>16114723
>overstimulated novelty addicts
Ernest Jones, in 1913, was the first to construe extreme narcissism, which he called the "God-complex", as a character flaw. He described people with God-complex as being aloof, self-important, overconfident, auto-erotic, inaccessible, self-admiring, and exhibitionistic, with fantasies of omnipotence and omniscience. He observed that these people had a high need for uniqueness.';

'>>16113405
>Sexual reassignment surgery is actually super duper difficult
So?
>and surgeons are both stupid AND psychotic.
They're high IQ and based.
And logically, if it's difficult then they can't be stupid, dummy.

Dr. Chud castrating homosexuals is a good thing for society.
>>16114712
They should be encouraged to.';

'>I cut my dick off and now I'm unhappy :(
What did they think would happen?';

'>>16115392
>Gender-affirming surgeries
Gee I wonder what the author's bias may be';

'>>16115392
>After adjustment for sociodemographic factors and exposure to other types of gender-affirming care
"we changed the data"';

'>>16115392
This isn't even an actual study of surgical patients. It's a survey. Respondents are merely people who claim to have had or not had trans surgery.
There's no verification of whether or not respondents have even had surgery, and theres no qualitative analysis of the outcomes of their surgery.
If someone was using a study of this design to show how bad outcomes were after surgery, pro-trannies would laugh it out of the room.

Even if we take it at face value, all the respondants to this survey were adults.
Whilst I still think it's insane to mutilate the body for a mental health condition (we don't affirm any other kind of mental illness this way), I still believe adults have the right to do to their own body what they will.
The evil of trannyism is the explosion in grooming of children in the last 10 years. 80% of children with gender dysphoria grow out of it once they've gone through puberty - these are the ones who are becoming suicidal after being tricked and groomed into being sterilised by criminal butcher "surgeons"';

'>>16113385
I still don’t hate trans people and wish them to succeed in achieving their innocent goal';

'>>16113385
Theres also a decent fraction who die from the surgery, usually due to post operative infections from a filthy doctor';

'>>16116579
That's the accepted medical terminology, but I guess I'll take it as a confession that anyone who refuses the standard terminology has an agenda of their own to push.

>>16116584
Literally not one child has undergone surgery for the purposes of gender-affirming care

>>16116584
Love how sceptical /sci/ suddenly gets when studies disagree with them.';

'>>16116956
>Literally not one child has undergone surgery for the purposes of gender-affirming care
There are lots who have undergone surgery ate ages 18-20 after years of grooming. There are lots of children being experimented upon with chemical castration.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/09/disturbing-leaks-from-us-gender-group-wpath-ring-alarm-bells-in-nhs';

'>>16113385
What about we convice trannies that they'll be reborn into fitting bodies after specialized euthanzaia?';

'>>16116956
>Literally not one child has undergone surgery for the purposes of gender-affirming care
Not yet. Organisations like WPATH that present themselves and are widely regarded as the industry-leaders for transgender healthcare practises no longer suggest minimum ages for cross sex hormones or genital surgery.
>The most recent version does away with all age limits from the beginning of puberty for hormones and surgical interventions, other than female to male genital surgery, and contains a chapter on eunuchs.';

'What a conundrum. I want troons to suffer but them abusing the healthcare sector is a net negative. Surely can't they start doing back alley troonjobs themselves?';

'>>16113589
42% is how many "seriously considered" suicide and that got conflated with those who actually did it. Seems like the males trying to women also adopted the female tendency to use suicide threats as a means of gaining attention and sympathy.';

'>>16113405
>Facial feminization surgery is WAY easier
Read about a troon who got a bad infection from doing FFS that ended up in them losing the ability to move one of their arms lol.';

'>>16116956
Plenty of under 18 teenage girls have had their tits cut off';

'>>16116956
>That's the accepted medical terminology, but I guess I'll take it as a confession that anyone who refuses the standard terminology has an agenda of their own to push
If you can't see the ideological capture behind the phrase "gender-affirming" then you're naive or dishonest. What is a gender identity? I don't have one.
"Gender identity" is the secular immaculate soul. Adherents believe they have one, on faith.';

'>>16113385
huh, you don't say
https://rumble.com/v2zn8qm-retro-degeneracy-resurgence.html';

'>>16117209
>There are lots who have undergone surgery ate ages 18-20 after years of grooming.
Grooming from whom? Not the parents, or the school system, or the media, or the government. If the mere exposure to an idea that is resisted by everyone in their environment counts as "grooming" then literally everything is grooming.
>>16117351
>What is a gender identity? I don't have one.
lol
lmao
sure, you amorphous genderless blob. How should I address you? It?';

'>>16116560
But these are only attempted suicides, not full-blown suicides. What steps do we need to take collectively so that we sociologically ensure trann0rs are successful?';

'>>16117410
There is no such thing as a gender identity as some immaterial quality separate from the physical body.
You're free to disagree with me, but it's a belief taken on faith, not an aspect of objective reality.';

'>>16117410
>If the mere exposure to an idea that is resisted by everyone in their environment counts as "grooming"
What would you call it if a person at your child's school was teaching them about sex and how they might secretly be a sex-addict that wants to have sex with adults? It's just an idea that everyone in the child's environment resists, how can it count as grooming?
When school therapists, NGOs and tranny activists are all "educating" children about how feeling anxiety means they are trans, then yes, it's fucking grooming.';

'>>16117692
I like the idea of poisoning them, something like what Fauci did to the faggots in the 1980s.
Invent a fake fatal disease and say that only trannys get it, meme the fake disease in the media until everyone knows about it and then 'invent' a cure thats secretly a poison. Fauci probably killed over a million faggots with that trick';

'>>16117692
Well, according to OP you should definitely make it easier for them to transition and encourage them all the way';

'>>16118040
>There is no such thing as a gender identity as some immaterial quality separate from the physical body.
This is starting to turn into a debate about qualia';

'>>16118540
>This is starting to turn into a debate about qualia
I agree, notions of "gender identity" are untestable, non-scientific nonsense.';

'>>16113385
This is the science they don't want to hear about';

'>>16118973
Are you a man?';

'>>16113405
this, im not that fussed about trannies, i just think its a terrible idea to do that sort of sugery to yourself. at least a boob job intends to leave your skin intact. Nutsack skin or whatever they use for a neo vag was never intended to be in a warm damp place right next to extreme trauma. Colon skin was never meant to be ripped out your ass and stuck to your pubic bone.

Please just wait for genetic engineering or something, or at least until we can perfectly cure burn wounds. You loose skin in surgery, until we can grow that back youre even more fucekd';

'>>16113385
It's because convincing people they are trans is just a eugenic psyop. If you can be convinced you are a different gender than you are, you are psychologically weak.';

'Isn't it weird how the pearl-clutchers who feign sympathy for trans people always seek to prove that gender-affirming care puts people at greater risk of suicide, and yet they find allies in the unrepentant transphobes who think suicide among trans people should be promoted as much as possible, and never does this latter group suggest making gender-affirming care more accessible?';

'>>16120798
Yes. I have a penis and testicles and I produce a large quantity of gametes.';

'>>16120939
Try parsing your thoughts out a bit more instead of positing a thesis in the form of a 60 word run-in sentence.';

'>>16120939
>and never does this latter group suggest making gender-affirming care more accessible?
They probably think that ideologues, radicals and groomers would manage to troon out a lot more kids if it was more easily accessible.';

'>>16120972
You have a gender identity, then, or you would not have been able to tell me that.';

'>>16120974
This is /sci/, you're expected to be able to read at college level.';

'>>16120972
>>16121228
Actually, I have to leave open the possibility that you have no idea what it feels like to be a man and that is why you have to refer to externals. You may have no concept of gender, you only know what your body looks like. It would be truly fascinating to study this genderless male meat puppet devoid of any concept of gender in its natural environment, to see how it interacts with a profoundly gendered society. Does it care about which bathroom it enters? Does it weep openly when hurt or try to conceal its emotions? Does it have traditionally feminine interests without any sense of shame? Which colours does it wear? How does it conceive of its own sexual identity? The very idea of a genderless person is such an incredibly fertile soil for social constructivism, we must study this freak of nature.';

'>>16121230
Schizo ramblings don't college level a post make.';

'>>16121864
>don't college level a post make
lmao
I think I'm seeing your problem';

'>>16121228
"Gender identity" is just rebranded sexual stereotypes.
>I don't conform to the sexual stereotypes of men, so I am really a woman trapped in a man's body!';

'Bit late to the thread, but why is tranny discourse so seemingly 'personal' and uniform? With virtually no clinical interest or discussion on the topic from either sides beyond their respective conformist stance? It's either steel manning: Trans-Rights or 42% with nothing in between and zero clinical interest in changing that. And AGGRESSIVE, PEER PRESSURED, "zero interest" at that.
I'm tempted to say that if I somehow miraculously made a medication that completely cured people of gender/sexual dysphoria that both of these communities would picket me. That the conflict is just infinitely more important than the actual condition.

This thread is on /sci/, but I don't see how it'd realistically be any different than if it were on any other board.
I don't understand what memetic aspect of gender dysphoria, as a mental illness, causes literally everyone involved to go insane.';

'>>16122074
If you're going to reduce gender to stereotype then I suppose gender identity is more accurately stereotype threat - the pressure to conform to a certain stereotype that you know people have about you.';

'>>16122120
>I'm tempted to say that if I somehow miraculously made a medication that completely cured people of gender/sexual dysphoria that both of these communities would picket me. That the conflict is just infinitely more important than the actual condition.
Yeah well that sounds absolutely retarded and it sounds to me like maybe feeling smarter than everyone is more important to you. Of course the sufferers of gender dysphoria would like a cure. Guess what, we have one that works incredibly well.';

'>>16122135
>If you're going to reduce gender to stereotype
I'm not the one doing that. The people who believe in "gender identity" do that all by themselves.';

'>>16122137
>Guess what, we have one that works incredibly well.
The evidence for this is poor.';

'>>16113385
read the sentence again, it's a conditional probability
study bayes theorem';

'>>16122065
You ESL?';

'>>16122463
Are you then arguing that you are unaware of the "stereotypes"?';

'>>16113385
>overall risk after: 3.3%
hmm what happened to le 41%?';

'>>16117332
huh they really are female brained';

'>>16123059
suicide attempts. They're women so they mostly fail';

'>>16122845
Stereotypes are crude simplifications that erase or pathologise human diversity.
You are not a girl trapped in a boy's body just because you don't like sports or whatever.';

'Trannies are fucking freaks';

'>>16123690
>You are not a girl trapped in a boy's body just because you don't like sports or whatever.
Oh, good, nobody has ever argued that they are.
Now, do you conform to male stereotypes, if yes, to which extent, do you do so consciously, and why?';

'>>16123929
>Oh, good, nobody has ever argued that they are.
All mtf trannies claim they feel like girls trapped in boys bodies. Thats almost the definition of gender dysphoria.';

'>>16123929
>Now, do you conform to male stereotypes
Which ones?';

'>>16124073
But not because they "don't like sports". But we'll get to that when we reach some mutual understanding.
>>16124077
What, you don't know any?';

'>>16124088
>What, you don't know any?
They are largely culturally determined and therefore what one understands by the term will depend on upbringing.
You asked the question, so cite an example.';

'>>16124253
>They are largely culturally determined and therefore what one understands by the term will depend on upbringing.
So do you deny having had any upbringing? Why are you acting so dense? I'm not going to guess at your upbringing but you must be aware of some stereotypes from your culture and you must also know whether or not you consciously conform to them. Here's one common in the Western world: men don't cry. Do you ever cry? Would you feel ashamed to cry? Because you have a penis? Usually people would feel ashamed to conform to a stereotype, and try to avoid it. But people are made to feel ashamed for failing to live up to your so-called "gender stereotypes". Why are these stereotypes so completely different from the usual ones?';

'>>16124253
>>16125442
Or, to put it differently: if you tell a black person he must love watermelon and fried chicken, he'll take offence. But if you tell a man that he looks like he might cry, he'll also take offence. Black children are taught by their parents to avoid stereotypes. Male children are taught by their fathers to conform to "stereotypes".

If you can't identify with a black person just pretend I said that white people love mayonnaise because it's the spiciest thing they can handle.';

'>>16113385
Sorry but I've decided that's not "high quality" evidence and have therefore discounted it. Try again.';

'>>16125442
I don't cry because I'm not a faggot, a child or a woman.';

'>>16123177
>They're women so they mostly fail
i appreciate it anon';

'>>16113385
>Gender dysphoria
>Treated by going on incorrect sex hormones and invasive surgery to destroy the body
This has never been explained';

'troons made bud light so cheap they are giving it away at this point at most places, more than any of you faggots ever did for me. hence, im pro troon.
if you wouldn't mind publicly expressing your support for mikes jersey subs or trx3090s next so i can get those half off as well, it would be much appreciated trannyfrens. you can have all the pills you want funded by the taxes i don't pay.';

'>>16120939
Whatever';

'>>16113385
Its because chuda wont fuck them, all your fault';

'>>16126787

They literally just made up the treatments in the early/mid 20th century and the mental illness affected such a tiny minority of people that no one cared and the proposed treatments were never subjected to rigorous scrutiny. People are only aware of the illness now because even though the odd cultural reference was made here and there throughout the 1970s-1990s, it only started getting pushed hard during the Obama years.';

'>>16128396
Oh wow life expectancy dropped sharply from 2019 to 2020 huh, wonder if anything happened, thanks Obama';

'>>16126158
There's your gender identity, then.';

'>>16125453
Ok so what does any of that have to do with sex';

'>>16117410
>If the mere exposure to an idea that is resisted by everyone in their environment counts as "grooming" then literally everything is grooming.
Can it, now hear me out, be merely reduced to an idea? They're told—not a concept—but flowery lies to quite a considerable degree, are they not?

The idea that you'll be accepted by everyone.

The idea that you'll be indistinguishable from a cis-gendered, or, dare I say, real woman.

The idea that there are very few, if not any at all, medical complications.

What was that Dutch television programme that had children watching transgender men and women stripping and glorifying their various ills and aliments, telling them that it's the greatest thing that they've experienced without any disclaimer what-so-ever?

I think one ought to be sceptical of what's being parroted. It's quite rational to do so.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Nhqf2vppw
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Nhqf2vppw
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Nhqf2vppw';

'>>16125453
>white people love mayonnaise because it's the spiciest thing they can handle.

Where does this even come from? White food isn't spicy, as there are very few spices in Europe, but 18th century whites conquered the world for spices.';

'>>16128689
Not much';

'>>16129137
>They're told—not a concept—but flowery lies to quite a considerable degree, are they not?
They are not.';

'>>16122120
>conflict is just infinitely more important than the actual condition.
Yes, statists love divide and conquer to keep people busy';

'>>16113405
Bait or not, I stopped reading after the first sentence. You're clearly fucked in the head';

'>>16130100
So you're just going to accept people as they are and unite with them against the bosses, right?';

'>>16113385
so this speaks in favour of making bottom surgery available for trannys right?';

'>>16125442
Faggot, NTA, but men are less likely to cry because they're less neurotic than women. And it's not just a western thing. It's universal. Gender stereotypes have a biological basis. You're so deep in ideology, that when reality hits - and rest assured, it certainly will, it will crush you. And you'll only have yourself to blame because there was always plenty of evidence around to falsify your dumb beliefs.';

'>>16129143
And then they decided they didn't want any of them';

'>>16130426
Confidently dropping some bullshit ~biotruths~ straight from your arse is a very male thing to do';

'>>16130440
Why would they want to eat disinfectant if they weren't living in filth? Especially when it eliminates the taste.';

'>>16130451
lmao for once we can be sure an anonymous political shitposter is actually white';

'>>16130442
Whatever makes you happy. I just hope you'll remember this when you'll realize your stupidity. Which, if you live long enough, you will.';

'>>16130456
What's false in what I just said?';

'>>16130426
Wait, hang on, how is it a "stereotype" if it's got a biological basis? That's like saying a stereotype of black people is that they tend to have darker skin';

'>>16130472
Black skin is not an action. Is this really difficult?';

'>>16130472
>That's like saying a stereotype of black people is that they tend to have darker skin
nta but many people consider the statement "black people have bigger dicks" to be a stereotype even though it is biological';

'>>16130483
Neither is having a poorly developed palate but here white people are anyway';

'>>16130491
You won't get very far in life with that much resentment in you. I'll give you a piece of advice: try to be a lot more honest with yourself. Why are French or Italian cuisines the best in the world if white palates are underdeveloped?';

'>>16130507
Counterpoint: the British';

'>>16130510
London is full of French and Italian restaurants. FFS, are you perchance underage?';

'>>16130514
Is Paris full of British restaurants?';

'>>16130514
>>16130516
I mean London is full of Nando's too';

'>>16130516
No because, because traditional British food is unremarkable. However since the French have great food, you can't have great food without having good taste, and since the French are white, it means that your initial statement is false. Furthermore a great palate is necessary for both producing great food and appreciating it, but it's only sufficient for appreciating it. This means that although the Brits don't have a great cuisine, they're able to appreciate one when they taste it, and therefore must have a good palate.';

'>>16130541
That doesn't follow. Firstly, if the French must have a good palate because they developed French cuisine, it stands to reason that anyone who develops a shit cuisine would have a correspondingly shit palate. And because you don't actually have to have a well-developed palate to shove some high-status food down your gullet (probably the reason for all those expensive spices in the 18th century in the first place), the presence of French restaurants in London tells us nothing about the British ability to actually appreciate it.

Furthermore, French and Italian cuisines being the best in the world is an unqualified opinion to begin with, put forth by white people, which again tells us nothing about their relative taste.';

'>>16130547
>it stands to reason that anyone who develops a shit cuisine would have a correspondingly shit palate
You didn't understand a word I've said. Mate, what the fuck are you doing on this board if you can't tell the difference between necessary and sufficient conditions? This is at most high-school logic. Stay away from any STEM-related topics. You'll only lose time and you don't have enough self-awareness to understand why.';

'>>16130571
>Here's why your logic is shit and I disagree with your premises
>No you just didn't understand me *doesn't address a single word*
You also misused sufficiency there.';

'>>16130587
>>Here's why your logic is shit and I disagree with your premises
Nothing to do with premises, but with validity, as I fucking explained above for any moron to fucking understand, you fucking retard.
Q -> P does NOT logically follow from P -> Q.
P = make great food
Q = have great palate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

Whereas "appreciate great food" <-> "have great palate".

>You also misused sufficiency there.
>Throwing random shit to see if it sticks.
Don't try to be clever with me. You don't have what it takes.';

'>>16130646
It's actually really hard to figure out what's going on with other pieces of dirt in hell. There is an evil god who is likely providing suggestions to people from within their minds. The only problem is, it's often 1:1. His work comes out flawless. This is not a suggestion, it's literally 100% possession. Another theory is he actually is the trannies. And he's lying about it to form a reality where we think so many bad things are going on.';

'>>16130686
Yes I do, actually. You said having a great palate is not necessary to appreciate great food, merely sufficient. That means that if you have a great palate you're bound to appreciate great food, but you can appreciate great food without a great palate. However, then your conclusion was that if British people appreciate great food, then they must have a great palate. Which means that a great palate actually IS necessary to appreciate great food. And then you explicitly disagree with me saying that you can appreciate great food without a great palate, even though that's what you said you said (but not what you then actually said).

But the part where I say that a people with a shit palate would necessarily produce a shit cuisine is actually just me disagreeing with you. The only one who was unable to follow along with you logic was yourself. So, then, since it actually isn't necessary for British people to have a great palate, and since they do have a shit cuisine, I say they have a shit palate.';

'>>16130719
>>16130686
>Whereas "appreciate great food" <-> "have great palate".
PS this is explicitly not what you said before, and whereas I suppose your posts make more sense if we assume it's what you intended to write, I still explicitly disagree with it for the record.';

'>>16130719
>You said having a great palate is not necessary to appreciate great food, merely sufficient.
>a great palate is necessary for both producing great food and appreciating it, but it's only sufficient for appreciating it

For the third time, this is the necessity and sufficiency of logic. If P -> Q then P is sufficient for Q, and Q is necessary for P. You're simply not fitting the whole sentence in your head. I literally said that "a great palate is necessary for [...] appreciating [great food]". The following "only" doesn't mean "merely" because that would be contradictory. It means that from the two previous statements, "appreciating it" is the only one for which "a great palate" is also sufficient. So for "appreciating it", "a great palate" is both necessary and sufficient, whereas for "producing great food" it's just necessary. This is the third time I'm clarifying this simple point. Read everything again as slowly and as many times you need to. If you don't understand it, then you're the problem, and any continuation is futile.';

'>>16130760
Ah, so the problem is merely with you communicating poorly.
Very well then, I still disagree with the idea you tried to convey so poorly it took you three tries.';

'>>16130760
>>16130760
And, for the record, "if you want to both appreciate and make great food, it is necessary to have a great palate, but not if you only want to appreciate it" is a semantically valid interpretation of your sentence.
Regardless, had you been better at writing, I still would've said what I said because I still simply disagree with you.';

'>>16130770
>"if you want to both appreciate and make great food, it is necessary to have a great palate, but not if you only want to appreciate it" is a semantically valid interpretation of your sentence.
That's a contradiction. It's literally meaningless (not semantically valid). But instead of recognizing that interpretation as such, you've attributed a different meaning to it out of thin air. Regardless, even if you actually had explicit reasons to disagree with me, it's clear why you're doing it, and why I shouldn't bother.

> if the French must have a good palate because they developed French cuisine, it stands to reason that anyone who develops a shit cuisine would have a correspondingly shit palate.

Again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent';

'>>16130792
>That's a contradiction.
No it isn't. Doing both requires a great palate. Doing only one does not. No contradiction. Maybe read everything again as slowly and as many times as you need?
>even if you actually had explicit reasons to disagree with me
I do, and I fucking explained them above for any moron to fucking understand, you fucking retard.
>if the French must have a good palate because they developed French cuisine, it stands to reason that anyone who develops a shit cuisine would have a correspondingly shit palate.
That's not affirming the consequent, it's inductive reasoning. You rightfully point out that your statement leaves room for people having a great palate and yet not producing a great cuisine. I, however, am introducing another premise here. Just as a great palate produces a great cuisine, so a shit palate produces a shit cuisine. It's not conceptually the mere absence of a great cuisine, it's the presence of its antithesis. Again, just because I'm disagreeing with you that doesn't mean I don't follow your logic. I'm rejecting your premises.';

'>>16130541
All right, so, firstly, the notion that the French have great taste because they have great food and you know it's great food because they have great taste is circular.
Secondly, the implication that if even a single Briton appreciates French cuisine it therefore means that the Britons as a whole appreciate French cuisine seems like a hasty generalisation. I would also bet there are many more fast food restaurants in the UK than French haute cuisine, but you attach no conclusions to that fact.
Thirdly, I disagree with the notion that a refined palate is necessary to enjoy good food. Someone can go to a great steak restaurant and eat a great steak and like it, but still prefer steak well-done with ketchup. And he'll be full after his meal either way. And if you say that appreciating the food is not necessary to eat at a fine restaurant, then the existence of French restaurants in London obviously tells us nothing.
Fourthly, you lack an explanation for the existence of terrible cuisines. You posit that a great palate is necessary but not sufficient for developing good cuisine, but why? Whence cometh terrible food then? This assumption seems tailored to the needs of your conclusion that white people universally share great taste regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
Finally, I think that if you told an Englishman and a Frenchman that they must appreciate the same food due to their shared "whiteness", the best response you can hope for is laughter. Because Nigel might smack you for implying he eats frogs and snails, and Pierre likewise for comparing his national pride to beans on toast. Just about the only thing both cuisines have in common is an aversion to spices, come to think of it...';

'>>16130799
>>16131299
You are too stupid to understand high-school-tier reasoning and too arrogant to compensate through any other means. That's why you're so resentful and hate whites, and since you lack the ability to achieve anything by yourself, you've amounted to biting the hand that feeds you. I've never met someone as persistent in his stupidity before, and now it's clear to me the ideals of the Enlightenment could never work with the likes of you.';

'>>16131340
>You are too stupid to understand high-school-tier reasoning
No, I'm simply more advanced than your high-school-tier reasoning. You have yet to address any point and instead just insist that unless I capitulate to you entirely it must be because I'm simply too stupid too understand you. You've yet to shown an ounce of understanding of my criticisms of you.
>now it's clear to me the ideals of the Enlightenment could never work with the likes of you.
Funny, 4chan has been making me feel similarly for years now';

'Ok and?';

'>>16117332
Huh, It's almost like they are just attention seeking faggots';

'>>16117342
AHAHAHAH oh man. Faggots are so retarded';

'Can't believe it is socially acceptable, even by a vocal minority, that cutting your dick off and getting an axe wound and some pills will change your sex.';

'>>16132239
You hate me, I was here before you, and yet here you are. What gives? Seek the answer within yourself.';

'>>16118040
You're a man, retard';

'>>16134282
It's hilarious how transphobes have come all the way around to "gender isn't even real, it's all stereotypes, just let people be who they want and express themselves however they want (no not like that though)"';

'>>16113385
I thought that the great liberal experience of "playing along" was supposed to save their miserable rotten lives, why the hell else would anyone sign up for this crap???';

'>>16134300
>transphobes
I look to the cytoplasm and innards of the cell to see the difference between men and women humanoids';

'>>16134305
So, have you tried that?';

'>>16134310
A pretty good method, the error rate is only around 2%';

'>>16134408
I will take 98% truth and place it up against what ever the others are offering senpai';

'>>16134406
No, I have a single colleague that I have been explicitly instructed to refer to in certain ways, I hay politely declined the request';

'>>16134441
100% truth.';

'>>16134442
There's nothing "polite" about choosing to be intentionally impolite. Anyway, then, you're the problem.';

'>>16134447
I am very respectful to my fellow man at all times, don't you dare suggest otherwise';

'>>16134449
>don't you dare suggest otherwise
I respectfully decline.';

'>>16134457
People will know very clearly when men like me choose to be disrespectful, it will be incredibly obvious in fact';

'>>16134464
Yes, such as here >>16134442';

'>>16134468
I would consider being told to disregard reality as highly disrespectful. Sometimes I actually believe people like you believe the nonsense logic you spout and not that it's a weird power game by twisted minds. Either way you play "there is no objective truth" game or rather subjectivity overrides objectivity , and none of this has any place in science.

You useful idiots to the powers that be and they will discard and turn on you when it suits. Much like the terms, and despite being told you won't see it coming. And when that happens you won't even have the comfort of being correct';

'>>16134464
With all due respect, do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in refusing to respect someone's wish to be addressed a certain way at no expense to yourself, going out of your way in fact to be in breach of etiquette - and then still insist on being considered "respectful" and "polite"?';

'>>16134473
Ah, then with all respect now due to you, you're a hypocritical entitled cunt and you wouldn't know respect if it bit you on the chode.';

'>>16134474
It is not entirely coherent but it works for me. Know that you have to be a rotten SOB to trigger me in an actual emotionally negative way, I am a loving human being by default';

'>>16134481
>I am a loving human being by default
This is pure sanctimony after that display just now. I guess everybody is a loving human being "by default" but in your case it doesn't take much at all to deviate from the baseline.';

'>>16116956
>Love how sceptical /sci/ suddenly gets when studies disagree with them.
these are the same people who will screech "trust the soiyence!!!!" when they see a paper that they agree with';

'>>16135513
Yes. /sci/ is exactly the sort of people to mockingly say "trust the soience! The soience is settled!" and then turn around and find ONE (1) paper that says something they like (or sometimes merely appears to) and say it completely overturns decades of research that found the opposite. Case in point: this very thread.';

'>>16135704
>I hate /sci/
why are you here?';

'>>16113405
>Surgeons are both stupid and psychotic
Does he know?';

'>>16134300
you can dress up however you'd like. but putting on a dress doesn't suddenly make you a woman any more than me crawling on all fours with my tongue out makes me a dog';

'>>16134476
How can I be entitled when I'm not telling others how to act and speak ? Wouldn't that be the person requiring others to change their speech ? I don't understand your reasoning';

'>>16134211
>Steelseries headphones after the Bullyhunters campaign flopped';

'>>16136637
Good thing no one is making that claim, retarded chud';

'>>16136514
I like science. I do not like your science board. It is so unlike science.';

'>>16136830
>not telling others how to act
lol
okay ma'am';

'>>16138395
>science is when people repeat lies i saw on cnn';

'>>16138973
>When people challenge me intellectually in a way that might allow me to learn and grow as a person, thats not science, thats trolling.';

'Why are chuds so upset by this self solving non-problem?
I in fact support trannies performing surgeries on themselves for this exact reason.';

'>>16113385
Why do y'all celebrate suicide, especially when it's minorities susceptible for suicide? Don't you realize these are real people, with real problems, struggling for their life? How heartless can one be!';

'>>16116694
I got a post operative infection from a dental surgery, it was only after going through that that I looked up the numbers of the risk of death during ordinary surgeries and found to be way higher than I had expected. Doctors are killing thousand of people every year by infecting them during surgeries.';

'>>16141611
all because they refuse to wash their hands';

'>>16113385
who cares? your gay little statistics mean nothing. lives are lived on an individual level.';

'>>16113385
is this math or science? seems like /pol/ or /lgbt/ would be more fitting';

'>>16142971
>i hate science
why are you here?';

'https://files.catbox.moe/fa4144.mp4';

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'>>16130763
NTA but I understand what he said the first time. You've got an inflated sense of your own intelligence.';

'>>16135704
>/sci/ is exactly the sort of people to mockingly say "trust the soience! The soience is settled!"
Do we browse the same board?
/sci/ is contrarian AF and, as far as science discussion goes, is explicit in its rejection of "science by consensus", "science isn't a popularity contest" etc.';

'>>16143022
This is the board for people who hate science, is it not?';

'>>16113385
if post op trannys are 10x more likely to commit suicide than pre-op trannys and the total tranny suicide rate is 41%, then what is the suicide rate for each group?';

'>>16143403
Hence "mockingly"
The hypocrisy lies in what I describe next';

'>>16143370
>Fox News headlines about Dr. Phil
We've really become facebook';

'>>16144463
Well, according to OP's source... 3.3% and 1.5%, respectively.';

'>>16122074
There's a difference between a stereotype and a norm. A stereotype about men, for example, is that they think about sex every five seconds. A norm, however, is that men are required to use the bathroom that has a stick figure without a skirt on it. Norms are enforced by society at large. It's all well and good when you don't "conform to stereotypes" but if you fall outside the norm, people are going to try to correct you.
That there is a further difference between gender identity and stereotype should be obvious from the fact that you have stereotypes specifically about trans people.';

'>>16144463
doesn't that have infinitely many solutions depending on the fraction of trannies that get srs';

'>>16144537
assume its 50/50';

'>>16126787
Genitals don't define gender, but cutting them off somehow affirms gender.
Explain that trannys';

'>>16145798';

'>>16145798
If having certain genitals always conferred a certain gender identity then we wouldn't be in this situation, now would we? Gender identity precedes genitals, not the other way around.';

'>he doesn't know that autism results in high T low E for both sexes
>he doesn't know that autism causes fewer estrogen receptors
>he doesn't know that autism itself is known to develop when fetal sex hormone levels of any type are elevated
>he doesn't know that HRT supplements the missing estrogen in autistic males and extra T can be converted internally to supplement the missing estrogen in females
>he doesn't know that the instantaneous mental changes described when taking estrogen are indicative of correcting a chemical imbalance
>he doesn't know that an incorrect balance of T/E results in cognitive defects
>he doesn't know that removing the gonads causes dependency on external hormones to prevent cognitive decline
>he doesn't know that the rest of the transition train not described by autism is supported by fetishism, sex addiction, and body dysmorphia
>he doesn't know that all this could be prevented
>he doesn't know
>he just doesn't know';

'>>16146589
>If having certain genitals always conferred a certain gender identity
It does';

'>>16147646
Then what is this thread even about, according to you? Since trans people don't exist.';

'>>16113385
its not a tranny with suicide issues if he was about my age and pissed me. :D';

'>>16147870
if he was overwhelmed by a group yes but if he peronsally attacked me and become no.';

'>>16116956
>Literally not one child has undergone surgery for the purposes of gender-affirming care
but they have? several people who were under the age of 18 are now sueing the doctors that performed their mastectomies? quite publicly?';

'>>16140219
because its not self-solving, its socially contagious, so before one victim is neutralized, they've infected 10 more others. how do you think we got here?';

'>>16147245
>he doesn't know that autism results in high T low E for both sexes
>he doesn't know that autism causes fewer estrogen receptors
>he doesn't know that autism itself is known to develop when fetal sex hormone levels of any type are elevated
>he doesn't know that HRT supplements the missing estrogen in autistic males and extra T can be converted internally to supplement the missing estrogen in females
>he doesn't know that the instantaneous mental changes described when taking estrogen are indicative of correcting a chemical imbalance
>he doesn't know that an incorrect balance of T/E results in cognitive defects
>he doesn't know that removing the gonads causes dependency on external hormones to prevent cognitive decline
>he doesn't know that the rest of the transition train not described by autism is supported by fetishism, sex addiction, and body dysmorphia

hory shiet, this explains both the sexual discrepancy in autism prevalance, and the discrepancy between mtf/ftm prevalance and causes. has someone managed to suggest this without getting cancelled yet?';

'>>16114723
modernity? actual retard.';

'>>16148180
>t. chuuni';

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'>>16134441
bis du schwul oder';

'>>16149525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xertekj4Dx0&list=RDXertekj4Dx0&start_radio=1';

'>>16149525
szizzufrenic :D';

'>>16117692
What steps do we need to take collectively so that we sociologically ensure trann0rs are successful?
None. It's their problem, not mine.';

'>>16148154
it's a mental illness, they're not contagious
the amount of actual troons hasn't exactly skyrocketed, and the mild increase can be traced to increasing sexual liberty, and just more people openly talking about it
a lot of them are not dysphoric and are just fetishists, but a fetishist taking a fetish so far as to become a full on tranny is also a mental illness
surveys are also somewhat misleading because there's a lot of larping teenagers and young adults who say they're "nonbinary" for clout or something like that, but either just regular fags / dykes or are straight arthoes larping, it's just attention seeking and unless they already have pre-disposed mental illness this is something they will outgrow
a child or a teen seing a fag or a tranny IRL or in a movie won't make suddenly them a fag or a tranny BUT of course being molested by one could cause such a mental illness, and shit like "drag story hours" and also "in-depth sexual education" in schools does create a perfect place for pedophilic fags and trannies to prey on children and teenagers';

'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjH3pj1kiu4';

'I am pretty sure transgenderism is a form of schizophrenia';

'>>16113385
Imagine seeing a doctor about your paranoid schizophrenia and the doctor treats you by giving you drugs to amplify it and he encourages you to indulge balls deep into your illness and just go with it';

'>gender isn't real
>but I need to have invasive surgeries so I can look and feel as close to the gender I want to be as possible
isn't it incredibly regressive for transsexuals to engage in practices that affirm gender so rigidly? it goes against the beautiful spectrum of gender fluidity in the queer community';

'>>16149721
>they're not contagious
It's become a trend for teenagers who have had their minds fucked by the curriculum.
Research shows that trannies are breaking out in clusters among teenage girl friend groups.';

'>>16151313
Don't forget about the lifetime of synthetic hormones';

'There should be a public service campaign for trannies to remind them that chopping off their dick siginificantly reduces their chances of finding a partner. Tranny chasers will obviously no longer fuck them because the appeal is lost, and regular men would be grossed out by a gaping wound.

Maybe a hashtag campain on twatter
>#dont be callous with your phallus
>#show no malice to your phallus';

'>>16151318
Those hormones are carcinogenic';

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'>>16113405
>surgeons are both stupid AND psychotic.
It's not our fault we kill ourselves, its the idiots and psychopaths fault

Holy fuck. Please kill yourself. Less level of lack of self awareness is concerning';

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'>>16118973
>notions of "gender identity" are untestable, non-scientific nonsense.
Sure would be nice if trannys had other qualities similar to dark matter, such as being invisible and only located on the remote outskirts of the galaxy';

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'>>16141611
One of the many reasons why seeing a doctor is akin to having a deathwish, theres so many other ways they can kill you by accident. Most people die in hospitals, its not a coincidence they die where all the doctors are located.';

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'>>16149584
Their high suicide rate isn't necessarily indicative of mental illness, since everyone else wants them dead too. It might be only the ones that don't kys which are crazy';