'>>92614143
They are like humans but black.';

'Local warlords that hold land with a lot of resources and control one of the global trade routes so everyone has to play around them, because in a modern setting where every first world nation is trigger happy around each other holding ground that far from home is not viable.';

'>>92614143
Black (or Chinese)';

'>>92614143';

'>>92614143
literally just Prince of Zamunda, prevailing stereotype is they are insanely wealthy,
covered in gold jewellery head to toe (in their home country gold is abundant and closer to tin in terms of cultural perspective, and they wear it more cause they're tacky than it's actually valuable to them)';

'There is a !NotZulu kingdom who rules over the three main other tribes of black people in the !NotAfrica part of my setting.';

'>>92614143
So far, the campaign have not taken my players to the southlands.
Thus black people are at best rumours.';

'>>92614484
They a generation ago had a hard fight withe the !NotMiddleEastern Sultanate which they won and now the Sultan is not allowed to take anymore slaves from !NotAfrica';

'>>92614143
They are people, just the same as any other. One of the eleven noble houses in the kingdom my party is in is predominately black, too, who trace their history back to the fall of the Empire when they were a fairly well-to-do merchant family who settled in the border region of the empire and got rich importing and selling valuable resources like salt and bronze.';

'>>92614143
There are no black people in my setting. I do however have tanned people since I have a fetish for tanned tomboys.
I guess there is a nation that has a culturaloy mandated blackface if that counts';

'>>92614143
There are dark-skinned people but not any that are specifically made to resemble African/Caribbean/American Blacks in appearance or Culture.';

'>>92614143
Honestly, I expected this thread to have been deleted by now
>>92614587
>I guess there is a nation that has a culturaloy mandated blackface if that counts
You can't just not elaborate on that';

'>>92614143
Nonexistent';

'>>92614143
Mostly subsumed during the tribal unification against the oni. While some of the modern descendants of the tribes have darker skin, they all have magma instead of DNA in the end.

There's brown desert elves but those are a different matter.';

'Either fighting, trading with or kissing the lizard people on their continent.';

'>>92614143
As I have not 'lived' the black experience, there are no black people in my setting.';

'>>92614143
Oh boy, he's cookin', look at him go. This is the start, this is always how it starts!';

'>>92614143
I portray them as 100% accurate to real life.';

'>>92614143
They tend to be extremely based.';

'>>92614143
They've got curved swords.
CURVED.
SWORDS.';

'Lords of Empire.';

'>>92614587
>I guess there is a nation that has a culturaloy mandated blackface if that counts
You could always just write in a faraway land where the cultures exist? Sort of like Chult in the Forgotten Realms. Even if it's at this point, every other person on the Sword Coast is apparently black or brown. It'd be like doing Oriental Adventures then having every other person be white or black.

Foreigners in distant lands have always been a fantasy/adventure trope, even going back to things like the Arabian Nights. It's just goofy as fuck where people don't care about even trying to make it work. Even a one or two line thing, or just using names that imply it seems remiss with modern writers.';

'In continent where the story is happening the only people with skin that dark are elves.

There are black humans in the world but quite some distance away from where the PCs are likely to go so they arent very fleshed out a yet.';

'>>92616502
This is how you make cool fictional blackpipo, instead of trying to play picrel straight';

'>>92616502
This guy is horrible, he doesn't look like a real human.';

'>elves are beings of light, craft wondrous artifacts, live in shining cities, are kind and good, live long and meaningful lives, produce beauty and order wherever they go, and act as mentors or rulers to less blessed races
>dark elves...';

'There are none in my setting. It's bad enough I have to interact with them irl, why would I want to interact with them in my fantasy world?';

'Pre-timeskip: hoighty-toighty richfags who look down on their neighbours and have a utopian society of confederated desert cities which is facilitated by a friendship with a race of giant eagles who help them build stuff and harvest their natural resources and ferry them from place to place.

Post-timeskip: a run-in with a jealous god caused the eagles to go cwazy and they started massacring everyone, so they've been reduced to a race of scavengers and bandits, sifting through the ruins of their once-great cities for artefacts to sell to foreigners, who refuse to help them out and basically view the whole situation as karmic justice.';

'>>92614259
What's that bit about Native Americans who become knights?';

'>>92616677
The entire premise of dark elves is retarded because elves are too noble and high INT to ever fall to retardation and depravity like that. Unless you're Malekith (based)';

'>>92616736
They're a thing in Norse/Germanic myth, though I don't think it's meant as them being inherently evil. They're probably more analogous to dwarves in that mythology.';

'>>92614143
I don't have any, i avoid problems by not having any in my settings, anyone complaining or trying to force this stuff is told to leave the table, i don't want people bringing problems to the table instead of just rolling dice and having fun. Just say you're a human warrior or elf wizard i don't bring that stuff at my table.';

'>>92614143
They’re regular people. Germans in my setting however are a race of evil demons.
>Boat Germans (Bongs)
>Swamp Germans (Dutch)
>Mountain Germans (Swiss)
>Gold Germans (Yids)
>Forest Germans (Krauts)
>Snow Germans (Nords)';

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'>>92616548
>You could always just write in a faraway land where the cultures exist
Why would I want to do that?';

'>>92617060
Makes the world feel more real depending on the setting. Also, doesn't necessarily have to be Sub-Saharan African cultures.

Think about this: you have a world with the concept of crusades or crusaders, but the other faith that's present is at best a heresy. Or an otherwise identical culture and people. There were crusades under contexts like this with the various heresies, but the situation that necessitated the crusades is divorced when the culture is unilaterally Western with different flavors of European.

It's not something you have to do, but it creates the illusion that a world is a place, not just a setting when there's places in it besides whatever is relevant to the story.';

'>>92614143
Unironically...
KANGZ';

'>>92617125
>Makes the world feel more real depending on the setting
For Americans.';

'>Northern part of !Africa:
Decendents of !Egypt which is now buried in a giant, swirling sand-sea. The ones who left the sand seas would eventually form a kingdom and become Imperial Vassels and related to the current Emperor by blood.

>Central !Africa
Currently contested territory with the rise of the Solidarity Movement which is the in-universe version of socialism.

>Southern !Africa
Thick jungles and ruled by !Muslims to which the center of their theocratic nation is located near and around the coasts and are in a three-way on and off scuffle with the Solidarity Movement and tribes loyal to the Imperials from the North.';

'>>92617244
Don't pretend the French don't exist, anon.';

'>>92617125
Ah I misunderstood you as saying to add black cultures specifically. I already have cultures that would be considered exotic by the standards of the ones the player characters are from so I don't need more of them to make the world feel more fleshed out';

'>>92617244
>For Americans.
If you're putting Sub-Saharan Africans in random places that they weren't present in, sure. If it's world building, it'd be a little like having a world with a Roman Empire analogue but no Mediterranean. You don't have to do any of this, there's no moral imperative for it. But you realize after doing research on the Middle Ages how interconnected Europe was with the rest of the world. That doesn't mean "random hamlet in France looks like modern Seattle," it means things like trade, games, and invasions come from abroad. Chess started in India in the 7th century, it made its way to the West over centuries.

The Battle of Tours wasn't something fought by Franks and Saxons, the East tried repeatedly to meet its way West. Often violently. Genghis Khan was born very far from the heart of Europe, yet his kin would push towards the center of it.';

'>>92617033
Well, I thought it was funny, anyway.';

'>>92617519
It was, but it took me a second to realize it was a joke.';

'>>92616730
They're renegades because they've turned their backs on native american spirit magic.';

'>>92614143
They only gain three-fifths the experience of white characters.';

'>>92614143
Sharp features, bent hook noses, straight or wavy hair. Control the seaborne sugar trade from their island. Cultural weapon is the shotel, evolved from a tool used to cut the sugarcane. In the middle of a civil war with one side backed by Dutch-Romans. That side has adopted Euro-style fantasy clothing and put crossguards on their shotels. There are also jungle elves who are even BLACKER but that's sort of a side effect of living in groves of jet bark trees which they naturally chameleon into. They steal silk from giant sapphire spiders to make clothes.';

'>Current Setting
>Far off future of 2045
>technology has rapidly advanced and humanity has taken over the stars
>race politics qre a thing of the past
>black people exist
It's not a very deep setting, mostly as a short test campaign just to test the system.';

'>>92614143
Only exists whenever a character is explicitly established to be Black and just disappears into the background never to be mentioned again.';

'>>92614143
They're not orcs.';

'>>92622012
Are they dorks?';

'In my sci-fi games they’re a nomadic race in one giant lowrider spaceship that drive-by anyone who says nigger with a hard r. They have a rich culture of playing basketball and feasting upon fried avian delicacies.
My players once used them to destroy the space Americans by broadcasting nigger from the American mothership’s radio.

The only other black npc in my games is “Blacky the Blacksmith” who is a semi-omnipotent merchant that visits all people potentially destined for greatness. He was a random blacksmith in my first campaign that my players got attached to, so he got godlike powers and transcended into many games.';

'>>92614143
>Gensokyo
Human villagers are like black people insofar that they are constantly mistreated by whites (Youkai).';

'>>92617023
>Germans in my setting however are a race of evil demons.
So... like real history?';

'>>92617317
The French pretend Subsaharian Africa doesn't exist and would rather never colonise a single bit of it';

'>>92614143
They don't exist, Humans are descended from the far north by the primordial god of men. All human groups take after various European ethnicities and cultures. the closest to black people that exist are basically like southern Italians in skin tone. I had vague plans to add some analogous societies for other irl races (Aztec analogs were almost added) but I just ended up using other races instead.';

'>>92626143
Go home, Christian. You're drunk again';

'>>92626224
Drinking slows your mind, LSD is how I write my lore.';

'>>92614143
There's three primary groups of people with black skin in my setting
>Tribesmen of the Western Island nations. They were here before the empire came. They have done trade with the sea elves for millennia and know much of their secrets. They are distrusting of magic and make excellent swords and bladed weapons
>The nomads and desert people of the Southwest. For the longest time, they have been known as the portal keepers, for it is said that hidden in many unmarked places in the deserts and wastes there are portals that open to other worlds. There is a stereotype in my setting that they are all grave robbers and carefree explorer adventurers.
>The Walauki of the old empire. A group of people from the old countries back east who grew with the other nations that eventually dissolved into the empire. They are a proud people who hold the traditions and rituals of the empire in great esteem. They worship the sun god Mahata and are generally known to serve the empire in selfless ways, even if it means death.';

'They're there, but since I focus on fantasy races, they just kind of get lumped in with other humans (see relevant Terry Pratchett quote about fantasy racism)';

'>>92614143
nigger';

'>>92614143
nonexistent';

'>>92614143
Non-existent.';

'>>92614484
Here's a warrior from the !NotZulu kingdom.';

'>>92617512
What you say is true, but it reeks of a narrative used to justify a modern-day globalism that simply didn't exist, and seems to be engineered to counter an argument no-one has ever made.

To argue that Europe was not part of a gradient trade network/spectrum would be absurd. But so it would be to have sub-Saharans walking the streets of London like it's normal.';

'Had a few ideas for Black civilizations based off various bits of folklore and actual history I could pick up.

>Imperial Africa
Pretty much as the name implies. Inspired by cultures of West Africa such as Songhai, Mali, and Ghana. Basic premise is they've established a fairly robust bureaucratic and military machine and capable of projecting power outside of their borders. Possibly semi-divine royal family of warriors, taking inspiration from the Epic of Sundiata.

>Religious Africa
Mostly inspired by Eastern African nations like Ethiopia. While the first is characterized by their powerful imperial state and lively diplomacy, the second fills a roll more akin to "le ancient empire" you see in a lot of fantasy settings. Deeply religious and a mountainous country. Should they come under attack they'll fight tooth and nail and can maybe win at a deep cost.

>Tribal Africa
Kind of as the name implies, but I imagine it being way more batshit and wacky. Lots of heroic warrior tribes doing battle with evil sorcerers.';

'They are Kushites currently stranded on Mars by the Greys.';

'>>92628714
It is normal. People traveling really far from where they were born is normal historically. Sedentary lives are the outliers.';

'>>92614143
All live in the dessert with stereotypical arabian nights wit there own god but I havent developed it. Afro centrism doesnt exist in my world';

'>>92629095
Moors?';

'>>92617023
You owe the world to those people (except the jews)';

'>>92627726
>>92628093
based';

'>>92626448
shit taste';

'>>92626032
reddit';

'>>92614143
There's no humans in my setting.';

'>>92629416
So, is it: a) post-human apocalypse/future
b) Just straight up Mouseguard
c) pre-human deep history fantasy campaing?';

'>>92629465
Yes';

'>>92616730
>>92618624

As if you can't have it both ways';

'>>92614143
They arent';

'>>92614143
They don't exist, the equivalent would be Melanesians more akin to Sentinelese, or Stuff like not-samoans than go at raids in not sea.';

'>>92617197
Unironically love the idea of actually super black Egyptians lol it's p funny';

'>>92616730
Based on real history, lots of the nobility of the american tribes converted and got a title, you still have the Moctezuma and Inca bloodlines as nobles in Spain.';

'>>92614143
They aren't. At all.
There's already monster races that fulfil the same function while being much more interesting.';

'That's one of the great things about a fantasy setting, you don't have to have black people in it';

'>>92614143
They aren't';

'>>92614143
The major empire in the setting is dominated by a black ethnic group with obsidian black skin color which includes the emperor, he dresses like a stereotype pimp with a large leopard print coat and wears gold grills on his teeth. It's pretty imperialist so they go around dominating other also black groups. There are multiple white ethnic groups but 1 specific Blonde and blue eyed ethnic group has close ties with the dominant group and now there are plenty of blonde blue eyed mulattos. The magician scientist of the empire created a superhuman race of silver haired porcelain skinned humans that are naturally proficient at magic, they initially helped in the whole imperialism thing but then they rebelled and caused a short but brutal civil war.';

'>>92630268
It's not all that outrageous. Certainly it gets exaggerated, but the Kushite Kingdom sits in modern day sudan, and Egypt would take turns having conquered the region or being conquered by them. Even before that Egypt got all it's gold trading with the Kushites and the Aksumites (modern day Ethiopia), so there was a lot of cross-cultural pollination.

Funnily enough though everyone forgets that Cleopatra was Greek and thus white (though her family had been in egypt for 300 years so she would have certainly been tan).';

'>>92614143
They are normal I guess. Some are brought as servants to Europe or have emmigrated to the iberian penninsula or southern italy.
My black players can imagine themselves as black in my games no problem. They know its not a common thing is the historical fantasy setting, but its pretty reasonable for one or two characters to be Black and adventurers.';

'>>92628714
Yeah, but fantasy right? It'd be pretty weird to have elves running around on the street too. Besides- I think exploring a proto-age of exploration and the beginnings of global trade would be real fun.';

'>>92628847
The Zulu as others have pointed out are good inspiration, so would the Nubians, the Congo, Great Lake Kingdoms, and the Dahomey Amazons';

'>>92631292
With exception of the dahomey Amazons, that are a highly overplayed thing, I agree.
Nonetheless, the dahomey are a pretty interesting Empire to implement in a game, as they were at the time a very important player in the portuguese slave trade and grew extrmeely rich from It. In fact, portuguese family names are seen as prestigious there to this day.
Might be interesting, although a bit polemic, to explore this sort of economy in a ttrpg. Certainly a woundrous place to visit being an european medieval adventurer.';

'>>92631335
What you could do is explore how they exist within a larger empire, as they did in the colonial days. The french hired them to help fight in a few wars for instance. I think internal factionalism is an underrated way to flesh things out and and help tell stories.';

'>>92631370
Absolutely. In fact, I think a whole campaigns of conquering an african-like continent through making alliances with different faction could be really interesting.';

'>>92631386
I think it'd be very fun to follow a Zulu like nation. Shaka Zulu's plan would be once he had conquered the colonies in South Africa to use the factories that were there to kickstart his own westernization and industrialization, and then use that to liberate the rest of Africa from imperial powers.';

'>>92614143
Ethiopians and Zulu, more or less, but with magic (and might give the Not-Ethiopians guns too, idk)';

'>>92631459
Sounds great in fact. This sort of setting Just isnt more well explored because of the whole taboo around the european colonization of africa, but maybe in 200 years the scar will have healed and people will be able to look at It in a lighter way.';

'>>92614143
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makuria';

'>>92614143
They have European facial features and hair';

'>>92631590
The issue isn't a taboo. Any more than say having asian based settings and confronting the issues colonialism brought there.

The issue I think is just more general ignorance. People are broadly more familiar with east-asian history and culture, partly because it was better documented, but also partly because those cultures are more stable and culturally influential, and also cause they weren't colonized as hard.

So really the barrier is just that people don't know as much as african history and culture, and the desire to 'get it right' means there's a higher degree in investment in figuring it out and getting it right. And it's not even that you HAVE to get it right, so much as you want to know the layout to know where to start.';

'>>92633044
You mean they're irish.';

'>>92633078
10/10 post, I'd buy you a pint if I met you.';

'>>92614143
Non existent in one game (Humanity is the precursor species, the playable races are all beastfolk, the last few humans are basically techno-liches but act and look more like the wizards from Thundarr). I guess I could have one of the wizards be black if I cared, but I don't.
Cannibal savages in the generic D and D world.
A parody of Wakanda in the supers game, which is a largely tongue in cheek setting overall.
>>92631459
Shaka Zulu was himself an expansionist and imperialist, he just wanted to be the guy in charge instead of the British. He wasn't some goofy ass liberation leader. Zulus look down on other tribes , even to this day.';

'Currently non existent.
some tribes were consumed by Gnolls and other beastmen and the more civilised ones were wiped out by a magical cataclysm';

'>>92633167
Two things can be true at the same time.

I'm going to take a WILD guess and assume you're a white guy. Would you rather be under a regime of Imperialist Kenya, or Imperialist France?';

'>>92614143
They haven't invented metalworking, agriculture, basics of medicine, blackpowder, watercraft, industry, textiles, or even the written language.
It's pretty much the same in my setting. They pay cthonic fish men in children's blood to teleport their women-warriors to civilization to raid them for things they don't know how to use at the behest of the kings of elemental earth, giant earth elemental demigods. They don't explain why they raid and can't speak mainland languages anyway. The mainland races call them the Amazons because it's just a bunch of black women charging from some random building they got teleported into with stone weapons (grown from stone by their earth daddies) and animal hide armor with wooden shields.';

'>>92633360
>metalworking
They didn't know they had functional blast furnaces for smelting their own steel until the 20th century, anon.
You are repeating /pol/ memes.';

'>>92614143
I don't have them in it anymore to avoid any culture war bullshit on my table. So congrats, because of it you have managed to remove all black people representation from my games.';

'>>92633397
Ah, don't be salty anon. My bantus are extremely inclusive. Even the Amazons recognize that the native apes of the jungle are, in many ways, wiser than their own tribesmen and so summon them to tribal meetings and war councils. In our society we call this IQ but that isn't a standard in my setting. You see, the big problem with Amazon society in my setting is that they just can't defeat the other tribes that live 20 miles away that they have been at war with for generations. I'm sure once that happens, they'll develop advanced engineering and steam engines and the light bulb and stuff that all the other races developed generations ago.
Well, only one race invented that stuff. In my setting. And a few other settings you might be familiar with. Why don't you tell me about your setting, my nigger?';

'>>92629273
>The modern world isn’t the fault of the Jews
>The modern world is in a good state';

'>>92633762
Yes anon, we all know you substitute contrarianism for a personality, tell us something we dont know.';

'>>92633078
That is a great point, actually. African culture really is pretty interesting, but its such a vast and varied continent with so many kingdoms and tribes and cultures that, yes, I can see It being hard to get right as a reason for people not to explore it further.';

'>>92614143
Nonexistent :-)';

'>>92633762
Black excellence asserts itself in the absence of the white man.';

'>>92633185
French are way less racist than Zulus.';

'>>92614143
They're just like IRL, almost everywhere.';

'In my setting they are white';

'>>92635613
>*laughs in baguette*';

'Surprised this boards Reddit Jannie’s have not deleted this thread.';

'>>92616502
>skin so black it's almost blue
love this aesthetic';

'>>92614143
You know, just for the record, I think precolonial African would make for a hell of a fantasy setting. Anyway ...
My setting: consider a continent about the size of Australia.
Brown:
On the east coast there are 3 Sumerian themed sea faring city-states that are perennially violent rivals. Culturally, they're the same as each other.
Black...er:
To the northwest is an Egyptian themed empire that owns about 1/3rd of the continent. They're about as racist as it comes to everyone else, although they're not expansionistic at the moment. So, it doesn't much matter. Watch out for succession crises though.
Black:
To the south, Hollywoodesque Zulu tribes. If anything, they're the nicest of the bunch, although they don't organize on a level larger than chiefdoms. They rarely fight each other, and only as a singular rules laden, third party judged, battle/tournament to settle a dispute. They take a dim view of city lifestyles. And, if someone pisses them off enough to collectively organize for a real war then it's hell on wheels.
Not germane to the question but:
There's other species involved, elves, etc., none black in any human sense. Also, the primary driver of the plot is a dragon who wants to put an end to all the miserable violence in his own "neighborhood", meaning the city-states. He's trying to pull this off via the Hobbesian Leviathan route.';

'>>92629088
This is just simply false.';

'None-existent';

'>>92614143
>people

I shiggy diggy.';

'They are Merchant kings who sail the seas.';

'>>92638648
Sounds like a bit of the old school Sinbad films.
Hell yeah!';

'>>92633087
Ding ding ding';

'>>92614143
Why would I want to have black people in my setting?';

'>>92629088
>People traveling really far from where they were born is normal historically.
Ooooh so youre historically illiterate, got it.';

'>>92614143
Gnoll food';

'>>92639743
What do you mean? Medieval people were constantly traveling. Of course they used cars for most trips, because the airline tickets were so expensive.';

'>>92614143
I don't have them LOL';

'>>92614143
They exist. I just plan to rip off Ethiopian history and shove it in the fantasy setting, and whatever Imaro is about because its sequel "The Quest for Cush" is the funniest and worst aging of a word because "Cush" shares the same pronunciation as "kush" which means weed.';

'>>92614143
extinct';

'>>92614143
+5 to saves to resist sun damage

+2 to stealth in darkness';

'why does this >>92616502 look way cooler and more interesting to put in your setting than
>>92628404 or >>92614484';

'>>92626016
as they deserve';

'>>92647371
>Why does a pirate look more intresting than a conscript, doe?
Gee, truely a mystery for the ages there...';

'>>92647371
What;s you got against Zulus?';

'>>92648631';

'>>92614587
>There are no black people in my setting. I do however have tanned people since I have a fetish for tanned tomboys.';

'>>92614143
They primarily live on a faraway continent where they have to follow a very specific set of rules in order to prevent a terrible beast from awakening and breaking the continent asunder, or so they say. Either way, the ones on said continent are extremely xenophobic and won't allow any outsiders to visit except for a small island on the western coast. They're ruled by a coven of powerful druids who grow new bodies for themselves from massive fruits on towering trees once they die.

Some wanting to explore and see the wider world have been known to head out to other continents and trade with them, eventually gaining a permanent residence in some of the more popular trade destinations and occasionally becoming ambassadors.';

'>>92614143
It's a city-based campaign where humans are the minority. I'm sure they're out there somewhere, but not really relevant.';