'Plushies are the true red pill, infinite POA.';

'i have this with old japanese kaiju vinyls
i like them as much as more articulated figures often despite being only to move arms';

'>>10960249
this is why you die in the movies.';

'I recently got some very old Kaiyodo figures and I've come to appreciate the ingenuity, weirdness and clean look of the clever cuts. If anyone's interested I can take some pics.';

'>>10960309
Please.';

'>>10960309
>>10960322
Yes please do so';

'Bumping for 5poa goodness.';

'>>10960249
they were cool back in the day but they leave a sour taste now with the regression brought on by price inflation.';

'>>10960943
I hate how 6 inch shit took over the industry and so honestly i buy smaller figures which are usually 5 poa or so instead of 6 inch figures now. I really dont like how everything has to be a marvel legends knock off now and TVC is probably gonna be kill in a few years if target is dropping it

I like the 3 inch page punchers that mcfarlane does. And the super powers line they also do. I got the page punchers gi joe two packs in the other day and cobra commanders one of my favorite characters of all time so having that figure of him that i can carry around rocks';

'>>10960249
5POA is great. too much articulation can destroy the sculpt. This is why so many Marvel Legends collectors have to keep "upgrading" their figures. I don't care what all the screamers want to bitch about, I'll always love & collect 5POA';

'>>10960249
Low/simple POA is good for non humans like Pokemon. This Psyduck can do the headache pose, arms to the side or whatever else in between. Good enough for what the design is.';

'>>10960955
6 inch not wholesome? :o';

'>>10960322
>>10960324
Kaiyodo Organic Action Vignett Figure Ultimate Spider-Man (Venom). Maybe 10 cm tal, very weird articulation. Exclusively uses cuts for swivel joints. There're swivels on: head, tongue, left arm, right arm, waist, left hip, right hip, left toe, right toe. I think it's pretty amazing what this guy can do. Unfortunately there's a color mismatch on the legs but in real life it's not as noticeable and either way he's too damn fun to fiddle with.
Kaiyodo Toytribe (some say Xebec but it doesn't say anywhere on the packaging) Monev the Gale. Quite a bit more sophisticated, but essentially same principles: cuts and swivels only, and a few hinges. The only areas that you may consider "deviant" are the feet and neck. The former attach to pegs that let them move -minimally- (rolling hinge) while the latter has a more intricate series of swivels and hinges or whatever. But from what I can tell there's not a single balljoint on this ~23cm behemoth. Some areas are weird and on close exception betray the limitations in certain positions but I can't help but admire the overall craftsmanship and ingenuity.

If you have any more questions or requests, shoot.';

'>>10961203
Yes, Kaiyodo at this time was very experimental, with lots of weird and sometimes even asymmetrical joint systems. Their DOA and DMC trading figures from around this time are another good example of this ingenuity.

I own most of Nightow's Trigun line and it was similarly very creative for the time period. I miss this era because it felt like big, creative ideas were being executed, toy joints sort of hit a plateau a while back and stopped evolving for the most part. You just don't see strange wacky joint systems anymore.';

'>>10961208
The clever choices of where and how to cut meant these little ~$4 figures could strike very nuanced poses that were difficult even for larger, more complicated toys at the time.

Swivels (like dual cut-V hips) get a bad rap because people think they're primitive. But when used right, it can create incredible ranges of motion with minimal sacrifice to the sculpt. You're free to focus on how you actually want the toy to look, instead of sacrificing proportions for balljoint range. You do need to sort of "re-learn" how to pose with them, but it's not too hard.';

'>>10961212
I think the Patlabor revos use this type of hip joint as well. I only have the green (Helldiver?) dude, but if you work with it you can achieve pretty much anything as you said without sacrificing the sculpt much or at all.

But, even aside from that, the sometimes very real limitations make it feel like a puzzle to figure out a good pose, or even just a new pose and the result can be a happy little surprise-accident.

Seconding your sentiment on stagnation. No question, toys have mostly improved thousand-fold, especially Yamaguchi, but it's almost all so "figured-out". Like with video games where standard control schemes absolutely dominate (for good reason). But there's still some fun to be had to have to figure stuff out again and to work "against" (eventually with) clunkiness.';

'>>10960943
Final Faction says hi';

'>>10961203
That's not really 5poa.';

'>>10961208
Those diagonals are UGLY.';

'>>10961231
>I think the Patlabor revos use this type of hip joint as well
They do, yes! Their hip range is quite spectacular as a result, and there's no weird gapping because they're swivels.

Even though new Yamaguchi developments have sort of slowed down lately, he still deserves his flowers for continuing to push the boundaries long after Bandai and Max Factory thought they had it down to a safe science, and were sitting on their asses. AY was a meteoric change from Revoltech, they slowly replaced every Revolver joint until it was a completely new (and better) system. It's remarkable, really.';

'>>10961203
I have never seen this venom, but wow it looks surreal. Its like if those 2000s Mcfarlanes statues had sensible cuts to allow for articulation.';

'>>10960249
5POA...just like me.';

'>>10961383
So?
>>10961444
I ordered the other figures from this line, too. Should be coming in soon.';

'>>10961444
To add to that: i agree. 5 POA doesn't mean you HAVE to make it so the figure can stand at attention or goose step. And you could easily see this Venom work almost as well with 5 POA.';

'I think the true best articulation setup is 10 POA: head, shoulders, torso, hips, hands and feet, with everything being a combination of ball or swivel hinge. You can do almost anything with this setup and yet it's still basic enough to allow easy movement based play with ease(like acting out a sword or gunfight, a figure running, etc in real time while actually moving the figure) which is all but impossible on more complex figures.

All of these joints are also basically guaranteed to work well and allow significant change in what the figure looks like or is doing. More specialized joints like knees and elbows down to bicep and thigh swivels, toe joints, whatever else are a lot of extra cuts for usually not much of a reward. Many of these joints also run the risk of not being very well designed, like figures not being able to bend their elbows very far or two hand a weapon naturally despite having 16+ POA.

Anyway I do also really love 5POA, but think at this point it feels outdated and simple changes that wouldn't impact the look at all should be standard on new retro style figs, like swivel waist and hands.';

'>>10960249
People that hate 5POA probably hate it because they can't lie to themselves about the fact that they buy TOYS. It doesn't matter if your "collectable figure" cost 300 bucks, it's a toy. 5POA is embracing the hobby in its purest form.';

'>>10961738
I sorta agree. While i also like 5poa i also really enjoy figures with around 10 poa like those old ninja turtle figures who had moveable wrists or those marvel epic hero 4 inch figures and spin masters 4 inch batman figures with similar articulation as you described
>>10961749
I find people embarrassed by the hobby like that to be pathetic. I love the fact that i collect toys and i play with them like they were meant to be played with i dont even like all those high import lines that alot of anons here do anyways';

'>>10961749
>People that hate 5POA probably hate it because they can't lie to themselves about the fact that they buy TOYS.
stfu stupid asshole';

'You make this thread once every six months with this stupid ass caption.';

'>>10962627
Ok and? I’ve never seen it before';

'>>10961749
They hated him because he told them the truth';

'>>10961738
>>10961812
Even old ass GI Joes had bicep swivels.';

'>>10961749
But 5POA costs more than the more articulated guys of the same size.';

'>>10960249
At 5 I started caring about action figures.
At 10 I started caring about proper action figures and not shitty 5POA toys.
At 20 I started caring about imports and collector figures and not cheap-o kids' figures.
At 30 I finally realize that statues are fun and affordable and more often than not all I need to represent a character or series I enjoy.';

'The 90's 8'' Ranger mold is still pretty cool to me. It actually has it's roots in an 80's sentai toy that was remolded.';

'>>10962815
Come on now. I buy the odd statue now and then, but "fun" might be a bit of a stretch. It's nice looking, but I can't do anything with it.';

'>>10962822
damn the vertical wrist hinge, anthony would love these';

'>>10962846
anthony is right, those vertical hinge wrists were awesome for shooting and sword poses';

'>>10962838
Being nice looking is what's fun for me at 30. Some characters I prefer something I can put in different poses, but growing older I realize for most characters I can just as easily enjoy static decorations that look nice, cost less and don't have accessories to keep track of concessions in detail for poseability.';

'>>10960291
I agree with you on vinyl kaiju toys. They're fun with minimal articulation and less fragile. I also collect Masters of the Universe and often prefer the original vintagw figures with the limited articulation and gimmick functions like "power punch" spring action.';

'>>10960249
I like some simpler articulation but I find straight 5 poa a little too limiting especially the ultra basic 70s kenner nostalgia bait that's cropped up recently, most 5 poa of the past would at least have dynamic poses built in. I much prefer, if not just kitted out with a standard assortment of ball hinges and single bends, the additional articulation flourishes of say the original tmnt line or masters of the universe.';

'>>10960249
5POA is good for play and having toy representation of characters.
Everything above is more for having presentable and very cinematic play times.
Anyone who hates a certain points of articulation because ot the articulation is dumb tribalist. You only should hate any form because it is the same price but same scultping.
better sculpt, more paintapps more parts, more points of articulation are what should be seen at the price tag.';

'>>10963017
Same

I bought a few of the SH Monsterarts figures but I always felt like I was going to break them trying to pose them, but then I got some of those Movie Monster Collection ones and I like them a lot better despite being barely posable';

'As a kid, pic related was one of my favorite toys because it was one of the most posable figures I owned back then.
>swivel neck
>2-axis shoulders
>elbows
>bicep swivel
>ball-jointed hips
>knees
I've grown to enjoy toys with less articulation, especially as I've started collecting vintage Chogokin and Sentai robots. However, this is still my metric for "very posable." Anything more is icing on the cake for me.';

'>>10973324
SHM are not pleasant to handle. They are often fragile, full of hard plastic and sharp points. They're for display, really, not intended to be touched often. Movie Monster vinyls are really nice to just pick up and mess around with. Y'know, like a toy.';

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'>>10974846
Man early Toybiz is so exciting still. Seeing that Brood on the pegs blew my mind. A lot of these hold up surprisingly well too, I still have that Doppelganger and Iceman and they're rad toys.';

'I genuinely think the 90s Evangelion figures from Kaiyodo have more personality to them than a good majority of the 8000 Eva 01's released since then. They have strange articulation, but it all works, and they have really dynamic poses and super goofy accessories.
I'd take these over MAFEX, robot spirits, Revoltech- etc';

'>>10974977
Course they have personality, that's Yamaguchi. Man has never been boring. That diagonal waist twist looks crazy! I really miss this "wild west" era of joint development.

His early Evas in the Revoltech line were also quite good for the time, though this was the beginning of more "orthodox" joint philosophy.';

'>>10975012
Funny you mention these because the MP eva and the EVA 02 from the early days of revoltech is what spurred my love of the brand and also import figures in general. I was like 13 or so and I remember my mom getting on me for paying so much for an action figure, but they blew my mind.

It's mostly my nostalgia for the anime designs over the Rebuilds, but I love the fuck out of the old Eva toys. Odds are low since EVA is basically done forever but I would *love* to see modern Yamaguchi take another crack at the tv evas, especially the EoE mass produced fuckers.';

'>>10975030
My first was Lazengann. It was such a great figure, filled with personality and attitude. To this day no other Lazengann figure or kit has topped it even though the articulation is antiquated, every other sculpt and articulation scheme just feels stiff to me by comparison. This started a love affair with Yamaguchi that is still burning fiery hot to this day. I'm happy to see him still changing and growing, getting better and better at what he does. A true artist, never satisfied.';

'>>10975035
I wish we got some reissues or remakes of old figures like Gurren Lagann or Dante. I dont really care about superhero stuff, but cant blame anybody, they look cool.';

'>>10975038
Same. Early Yamaguchi 2.0 had such diverse license choices, you never knew what you were gonna get next. Yamaguchi is a mecha guy at heart, wish they would let him just do that because nobody else does robots like him.';

'>>10975043
>metal gear solid 3 remake
>death stranding 2 on the horizon

please god let me get some Yamaguchi x Shinkawa toys';

'>>10975049
there's so many good figures to be made for Death Stranding 2';

'>>10974977
This post inspired me to complete my collection of these. I have Unit-01 with the flat anime colors around here somewhere, but I remember it being sticky as all hell. Do they all get like that?';

'>>10975346
A lot of em probably do. Kaiyodo was having problems with the thick, glossy paint they were using in that era, a lot of those figures got sticky within a few years.';

'>>10975030
>that one non-glossy leg';

'Still the best Superman figure ever made.';

'1/12 fags have a mental illness';

'Not even five but I love em!!';

'>>10977106
Wow, do you remember what these were called or who made em? The sculpts are really cool, I had that bronze robot dude in the back and the purple girl in front.

Ripclaw's long ass question mark ponytail is hilarious.';