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'>>10962607
that guy on the right looks great';

'>Armada gets Hasbro slop remakes
>Galaxy Force gets Takara kino remakes
>Energon gets ignored';

'>>10962607
>>10962610
I think he looks pretty good, I'll be curious if they do an Excellion out of him.';

'>>10962610
Hot Shot looks amazing. A shame about what happened with Optimus.';

'>>10962607
Hot Shot's the same wave as Side Burn, right?
Normally they avoid putting same colour same alt mode together in a wave';

'>>10962607
I love it but it not having the translucent headpiece is a shame.';

'>>10962610
Reminder that Warden made this Prime and he's back now
Say goodbye to good non-G1 updates';

'>>10962607
how do I get the guy on the right?';

'>>10962607
>>10962610
Any pics of the alt mode?';

'>>10962607
>That one time Cliffjumper gets an original mold
>it's rare
>it gets redecoed, but it's his depressing zombie form
>every other Cliff from then on is a redecoed Bumblebee again
It's not fair';

'>>10962638';

'>>10962625
It seems like the changes are to look more like the show model, with the major exception being the crotch area (Is it recycled parts from someone else?). Almost surprised they didn't turn down the saturation of his blue to look like that as well. Also his arm car panels are two separate pieces with the translucent windows screwed into the opaque doors instead of just being painted on the side.';

'>>10962635
Jump ahead three months into the future';

'>>10962641
holy shit, clear plastic ONLY being used for the clear parts?
is this toy a holdover from better times, or a harbinger of better times to come?';

'>>10962630
In fairness his team did lead Kingdom n early Legacy, and the PWT thru WFCT did include a lot of deep cuts and good figures (when budget was there lol); but then again they were also responsible for some of Legacy's worst figs, like LegArcee, and a lot of really stupid forced line-wide gimmicks, which we only just barely got to finally buck in late-Evolution and United.
Honestly you'd have to be retarded not to see the things modern Legacy is doing well in comparison to what came before, so well, I hope Warden and his team aren't retarded..';

'>>10962614
>Energon gets a crappy core class';

'>>10962607
>>10962610
>>10962640
FunPub Shattered Glass Goldbug and Starscream repaints WHEN REEEEEEEEEEEEEE';

'>>10962641
>Is it recycled parts from someone else?
Considering Cybertron Starscream uses parts from the Siege Seekers this is probably a fucking Runamuck partial or something.';

'>>10962641
Seems they also shortened the arm panels so there's no space for his "Hot Rod blasters" on the inside of them. But might as well remove a detail nobody cared about in the first place.';

'>>10962652
wish that had happened with magmatron.. did anyone really want to do the dinosaurgy mode?';

'>>10962652
Considering his arms are covering the panel and the original toy had them unpainted so they were hard to notice, I wouldn't be surprised if there is molding there based on it.';

'>>10962655
Japan, probably. He stayed in it far more often in the anime than three separate creatures to the point some wonder if the three dinos even had actual model sheets of their own.';

'>>10962661
heh. fair enough.
it's probably confusing for a director to be like "wait, these THREE character models are one guy? so... if it says in the script for him to talk.. what do I do?"';

'>>10962630
I'd argue that it was thanks to Warden we even got kingdom and the Legacy started with the multiverse thing.
Also Mark:
>Split the budget so all his OCs like the junkions and rocks get most of it while old characters get the end of the stick
>Will be remaking the g1 combiners all over again
>The 2025 toyline barely has barely any memorable characters.
>The Studio Series will work as a remake of older Siege/ER/Legacy G1 bots so they're more sunbow accurate
>Most important release in Legacy is exclusive to Pulse/Haslab
Yeah fuck Mark and his team, Warden knew how to manage the budget and organize the waves.';

'>>10962665
Rocks are based thoughever';

'>>10962649
They almost certainly used Cybertron guys because Classics Starscream and Bumblebee were used the year before, but for some reason the remakes that use more typical bodies for G1y guys seem odd. Maybe it is the color distribution.';

'>>10962607
>>10962610
>>10962640
I bet he'll be remolded into RID (01) Prowl.';

'OK, but can I get this hot shot instead?';

'>>10962697
Seems like a poor match in both robot and vehicle mode.';

'>>10962607
>>10962610
What the hell are those elbows?';

'>>10962703
Probably not since there was the Generations Selects Hot Shot. The first duplicate appearances of non-G1 guys in the remake lines was in Kingdom if I remember correctly.';

'>>10962705
oh jesus, those are some sad arms..
why didn't they fucking cut in a little';

'>>10962697
*Mach Alert
Also pls no';

'>>10962665
>Will be remaking the g1 combiners all over again
Good
Devastator is ass and the CW Combiners are kinda clunky and could do with new. Menasor is ehh tho but that's just his design
>The Studio Series will work as a remake of older Siege/ER/Legacy G1 bots so they're more sunbow accurate
This is dogshit tho holy fuck
Tell me that's fake';

'>>10962713
I'm tired of seeing the same guys over and over again.
what makes you think THIS TIME they'll do it right?';

'>>10962715
anon have faith..
hell speaking of devastator, we've gotten three unsatisfying devastators so far.. but if there was a new one.. maybe it'd be great';

'>>10962705
>>10962708
Just like the original!';

'>>10962715
You say "Over and over again" But we legit haven't had Combiners since Combiner Wars
That was like 2014 or sooner
ACTUALLY almost 10 years my man
I agree with you that I'm fucking sick of every line having like Ironhide, Sunstreaker, Soundwave and others
I blame movie format and others but still, It's tiring seeing the same guys nonstop
But Combiners could be a good change up since we got that Menasor and he wasn't so bad
As usual tho the "good" versions are fucking Pulse only so guaranteed they'll be harder to get, rarely stocked and never fucking hit a sale';

'>>10962729
would it have killed them to have the elbow be the wheel
it's right there. just make it turn around the wheel's central axle.
>>10962731
combiners are so fuckin hard to get right.';

'>>10962729
Man, I forgot how bad the arms were on Hot Shot, and I never liked them back then either.';

'>>10962705
tHeY HUrT';

'>>10962732
>>combiners are so fuckin hard to get right.
and now were gonna cycle through them all again? I mean, if people are going to be that much of a stickler for perfect combiners, just go 3P. There's about 50 different Devastators to choose from.';

'>>10962735
wait was this the jAaM guy';

'>>10962614
>>10962646
As it should.';

'>>10962705
>AHAHAHAHA WEAK.';

'>>10962732
I think UW was the good side.
Great painted parts and felt good in hand
The 3P Hands/Feet sets just made me so much better
But Legacy Motormaster? Loved him as a stand alone
When I saw the Trailer is a fucking Exo-Skeleton you just slap the stunticons on, let alone 2 of them aren't even visible I knew it was cooked and burnt
Fucking atrocious shit. Absolutely hated it
Then his arms flake cause it's painted white? and half the Stunticons had issues like Wildrider/Dead End having weird hinges for Hood, Dead End's Trunk is fucky on majority of them and Breakdown just incorrect car and detailing.

Oh but the "Fixed" Toy Versions are the correct versions but they're a Pulse only';

'What if there was a retool of Windblade with a head and color scheme based on Snake Eyes?';

'>>10962747
>Classified still hasn't got to these designs yet
Still waiting';

'>>10962749
Never happening.';

'>>10962745
You forgot to add quotes to "toy versions", lazy fucks only gave a new head to Breakedown, so all the other bots have the wrong heads.';

'>>10962731
I 100% feel the CW Menasor is far superior to the Legacy release. For one, it's an actual combiner and can't form a giant robot without other smaller robots. Now that's not saying I think the CW one is even all that good, it's just that the Legacy one is disappointing in just about every way.

If they came out with a newer, better version of him today, I wouldn't complain at all.';

'>>10962766
MR BONES
I WANNA GET OFF YOUR WILD RIDE';

'>>10962766
>just that the Legacy one is disappointing in just about every way.
Its so close to be great, but its so weird, like if they said, "we can't do a definitive version, fuck it somehow".';

'>>10962614
Isn't Armada Optimus entirely Takara? I remember the designer Hasui personally presenting it during a Pulsecon livestream even though it was pre-recorded.';

'>>10962772
If they just used the extra trailer bits to beef up this mode, I would've enjoyed it more. Not so much as Menasor, but at least as a "Super mode" for Motormaster. But they purposely half assed this mode to force you to buy the rest of the team, even though they're actually not needed.

If they do end up making more Legacy combiners, I really hope they don't repeat this awful system. Make em actual combiners, we have the tech, and the CW joint system really does work *very* well. Just make the torso a really nice leader and put some effort into Deluxe limbs and we'll get a great combiner.';

'>>10962785
I'm scared Onslaught will be the same shit with his Alt Mode
It's so big and a long Carrier Truck that I just know they'll do this parts forming ass skeleton shit again';

'>>10962607
>>10962610
>>10962640
I need him NOW';

'>>10962790
even with those elbows?';

'>>10962792
I can forgive them because everything else looks great and I don't have the original anyway';

'>>10962779
All mainline designs are made together, with Hasbro side deciding the budget I.e. Why they don't have minicons.';

'>>10962705
core hot rod elbows';

'>>10962785
Anon, Menasor was made this way specifically because his cartoon design was an oddity. It's not a combiner standard.';

'>>10962703
>That nose
HE'S A WITCH!';

'they should've focused on energon instead. cybertron was basically perfect already, energon is full of shitters that actually need remakes
siege hound hot shot was better anyway';

'>>10962665
True, his OC's shelwarm harder than anything from Siege.
With 2025 only thing I want is Wasp, Red Alert, Fallen (only if he is dreamwave) and Swindle.';

'>>10962829
Pleb taste';

'>>10962863
bravo, now post some of those autobot duo combiners everyone loves so much';

'>>10962865
Once I got them sure, now I want more decepticons, terrorcons and omnibots.';

'>>10962655
>did anyone really want to do the dinosaurgy mode?
If it was just an extra that had a little thought put into it and didn't affect any other mode like in the original toy, sure. But it went from being silly in the original to being a fucking mess in the Legacy one. Ugly ass tabs in Landsaurus tail and the way Seasaurus opens up for combination is totally an afterthought compared to how clean it was in the original.';

'>>10962655
>Does anyone really want a chimaera
yes, if it can be done well';

'>>10962829
>siege hound hot shot was better
hmmm, how about you die rn??';

'>>10962766
>the CW Menasor is far superior to the Legacy release.
Yeah, no. That thing was an absolute piece of shit with terrible proportions, ugly individual robots and bad engineering.

You people are so hung up on "what a REAL combiner should be" that you will take anything if that single condition is fulfilled disregarding everything else.
Combiner wars toys were wonky and not specially solid, the gun hands and feet looked like shit and forced you to buy addons, the thighs as elbows were ugly and some of the individual robots arms being in plain sight in the combiner mode was a joke.
I never bought a single one of them but I bought the new Menasor nonetheless. I don't care if it transforms in a different way, it suits Menasor and Motormaster's engineering is still pretty clever. And the end result is a truly solid and fun to pose combiner.
It's a shame that there's people who can't enjoy it due to how it combines, because I really think you're missing out.';

'>Asendia only took 15 days to get my Dinobots here
That's a new one. They usually take 4 weeks minimum.';

'>>10962883
>the gun hands and feet looked like shit and forced you to buy addons
??????????????????????';

'We got potential new leaks from seller in China. No confirmation from Jtprime so it's 50/50 type situation, could be true.

Age of Primes
G1028 deluxe Bruticus Swindle(unable to combine)- seller maybe suggested about not compatible with Superion
G127 deluxe cybertron Crasher repack
G126 deluxe Alcchemist prime
G1019 voyager RID Sky-Byte
G1018 voyager rescue bot Heatwave
G1018 leader centaur form Onyx prime

Sonic and Knuckles crossover

??SS Perceptor with casset bots

target exclusive two pack :a black repaint of conehead mold +a blue car(said to be a old game character)

Amazon two pack:Spinister+twintwist repaint
Amazon two pack:Ironfist(a repaint of Hound)+ a purple repaint of Weirdwolf

sdcc exclusive commander jetfire+Darak+Solila - Void Rivals got a toy trademark so it believable

pulse exclusive hearts of steel - calling bullshit on this one

Walmart exclusive:
dark cybertron starscream repaint - Skywarp
cybertron Sideways
cybertron red hotshot

+ this year will get Powerlinx Starscream/Thundercracker';

'>>10962903
>G1018 leader centaur form Onyx prime
What exactly would he transform into, anyway? A full-on horse?';

'>>10962910
Did any of Primes had normal mode? Fallen is a tank (I hope so at least). Onyx should be a beast, so I guess alt mode will be bullshit so he can be a big leader.';

'>>10962903
>black repaint of conehead mold
G2 Blackout
>a blue car(said to be a old game character)
Devastation Ground Soldier
>a purple repaint of Weirdwolf
Carnivac

i would pre-order all of these';

'>>10962607
>armada optimus getting a re-issue
>tfw I imported it from japan to get my hands on it 2 months ago
I didnt pay that much extra but Im still a little miffed';

'>>10962915
hey at least you got the exclusive box art, right?';

'>>10962916
I did but its was a little scuffed, like the corners were bad. I dont really care about box stuff but i'll admit its neat';

'>>10962903
Spinister and Crasher reissues would be good news

>>10962912
>G2 Blackout
Is it another Ramjet repaint?';

'>>10962936
Yes, he is based on old animation error I think.';

'Man it's disappointing how small TMII Megs is, he should be towering over Maggi, right? In the comics Magmatron is about the same height as TM Megatron from what I remember.

As for Gigatron - Is he really going be a Haslab? Surely Commander is enough for him, right?';

'>>10962938
Shame, would like to see repaints of Thrust and Dirge - still hoping for an Earth mode Nacelle.

Also, if the pack in carbot is from Devastation - perhaps: pic rel?';

'Takara';

'>>10962863
>Legacy United Leader Class Energon Universe Megatron
Oh, what might have been';

'>>10962665
All of this was pretty much started or popularized by Warden';

'>>10962610
Anyone have the Siege figure, to compare the two?';

'>>10962940
His name is straight up Megatron in the dub, so his name could probably carry a retail release. The only thing would be releasing him with no access to RiD Optimus would be a bad move.';

'>>10962903
>Bruticus Swindle(unable to combine)
Huh?';

'>>10962766
my favorite thing about CW menasor is how much devastation had to change his design to make him not look like an ugly birth defected ogre';

'>>10962999
Like that would matter, when we're having a Commander dude named "Magmatron" hitting shelves right now?';

'>>10962903
>>10963005
It was translation clarified to say he is specifically unable to combine with Superion.

This also confirms Silverbolt is the Commander like we all guessed.';

'>>10962903';

'>>10962903
>pulse exclusive hearts of steel
If true, HUH?';

'>>10962903
>Sonic and Knuckles crossover
Wonder how this would go. Tornado? Cars from ASR/Team? Beast Wars style from hedgehog to robot?
Although I think Metal Sonic is more compatible to begin with.';

'>>10963060
They combine via lock-on technology.';

'>>10963060
I feel like the Tornado is probably likely, it's one of the more iconic vehicles from the series, and it would just be neat to get another biplane transformer finally';

'>>10962940
Not that I remember. Bw megatron wasn't super big in robot mode, it was his dragon that was huge, and thats because of the way he transformed. Idw magmatron on the other hand, was huge, like bigger than grimlock was if I recall.';

'>>10963060
It should be a shirt and pants combiner';

'>>10962903
>black repaint of conehead mold
BLASTbros . . . our time is now!';

'>>10963013
Fair, but I'm thinking in terms of why RiD Omega Prime was a Haslab, which most have attributed to UM.';

'>>10963083
You have to stick this on the Game Genie and 32x for max power-tower';

'>>10962890
What part of that you don't understand? The CW combiners had pieces that could be used as guns, feet or hands. And they were terrible in every mode.';

'>>10963126
u mean these?';

'>>10962903
That's like the 3rd time Jetfire's been an sdcc exclusive';

'>>10962766
As someone who liked the Scramble City play pattern, no, Legacy is better. CW Motormaster was the worst of the CW style torsos until Grimlock and Menasor was shit purely because of Motormaster. Legacy Menasor has flaws and I'd like it if they could scramble combine, but he looks better and is much more stable than the CW version. CW Motormaster sucking is the reason why Menasor had to be done first, the other CW combiners hold up, he doesn't.';

'>>10963126
Those parts do suck but I like the DLC replacements, they turn into cool guns for the team to use.';

'>>10962903

>a purple repaint of Weirdwolf

Carnivac? Finally?';

'>>10963126
HFGs > Skeleton frames';

'>>10963139';

'>>10963144
Legacy Menasor is a way better figure than anything Combiner Wars
>B-but it doesn't follow my rules of how combiners should work
Irrelevant.';

'>>10962903
Going from these 2025 exclusives leaks, and knowing what the 2025 deluxe, voyagers, and leaders are.
I’m real curious who the 2025 Titan class will be?

We just had two Decepticon Titans in a row, so it has to be an Autobot of some kind.';

'>>10963154
>Yellows
>Shoulders break
>Ugly as sin
It's still shit.';

'>>10963158
Menasor is supposed to be ugly.';

'>>10963160
Things shouldn't be made with the purpose of being ugly.
>B-B-But the cartoon design!
Then change the design.';

'>>10963163
>Things shouldn't be made with the purpose of being ugly.
Someone wasn't around for the 90s';

'>>10963163
Can't. The toy is already awful. Combiners were a mistake.';

'>>10963156
I want them to do the Axalon and the Darksyde to go with the other two ships';

'>>10963154
>can literally break limb bots if you combine them per instructions';

'>>10963158
How can you not find CW motomaster unbelievably fucking ugly? His alt mode is terrible and menasor is just >>10963012
Lol. Lmao even.';

'>>10963172
I never said I didn't. Both are awful toys.';

'Hot Shot transforms like a girl';

'>>10963170
Just joining into the conversation to ask wtf you're talking about?';

'>>10963172
He was forced to share mold with Energon Optimus, could've been better if he had a dedicated mold, still the addons help Menasor a lot.';

'>>10963140
He’s always been my main 1988 Decepticon.
Coming in between 1987’s big names of Scorponok and Sixhot and 1989’s Thunderwing and Bludgeon.';

'>>10963172
Different anon here.
I prefer the newer one because he has his trailer';

'>>10962903
I’m surprised no mini bots in the exclusives like Swerve and Outback from the Gears, Brawn molds.

So no minibots at all for 2025?';

'>>10963190
There is a Wasp who is presumably a Bumblebee recolor';

'>>10962903
>+ this year will get Powerlinx Starscream/Thundercracker
sauce on this cause thats the one i hadn't heard yet about';

'>>10963190
maybe a 2 pack or selects release?';

'>>10963177
NTA, but the pegs on the back of the Menasor shins for Brakedown and Wildrider are too big, so plugging the cars into them will give the ports stress marks or brake them if you're hamhanded.';

'>>10963195
Same sauce, author posted it few posts lower in United/Prime thread.';

'>>10963188
Altmodes were the only real upgrade, well for most of them, Brakedown lost his lambo altmode.';

'>>10963144
incorrect';

'>>10963198
Oh I gotcha. I guess mine has that but I fixed it by plugging in one of the guns into each of the holes and spinning them to clear out any excess and it works fine now. Literally the only figure of the set that has a problem is Deadend(?) where he plugs into the arm too softly so basically half his body falls off the arm if you tap it lightly.';

'>>10963220
Maybe on Planet Retard';

'>>10962607
>>10962610
>>10962705
>the window hanging down his ass';

'>>10963247
It's silly but that's what he had in the original anime too, it's supposed to be like a kewl 2000s Matrix duster sort of';

'>>10963257
It's still stupid
How is he going to sit
Ever?';

'>>10962903
Where the fuck is Armada Jetfire Hasbro';

'>>10962903
>target exclusive two pack :a black repaint of conehead mold +a blue car(said to be a old game character)
Nice';

'>>10963264

Or Overload.';

'>>10963263
As a car.';

'>>10963196
True. I forgot we still don’t have Generation Selects leaks yet.';

'>>10963278
I can at least wait on Overload since I dug up my original.
Though I need to replace his Minicon.';

'>>10963285
no';

'>>10962903
So TJOmega put up a video of this an hour ago.
I wonder who he is on the 2005 Boards?
He had to have heard it from there this morning.';

'>>10963126
>And they were terrible in every mode.
but they weren't';

'>>10962903
>Sonic and Knuckles crossover
So Bound Rogue and Bump?
>Amazon two pack:Ironfist(a repaint of Hound)+ a purple repaint of Weirdwolf
Hope Ironfist gets his big goofy gun.
>pulse exclusive hearts of steel
Fingers crossed this is real.
>+ this year will get Powerlinx Starscream/Thundercracker
Glad I waited on that mold.';

'>>10962903
>>10963140
>Possible Carnivac inbound
Have my prayers finally been answered? I've been begging for a release of him ever since Iguanus got a release.
>>10963060
Honestly, I thing an Eggman robo would be the best way to go with this. I haven't touched a Sonic game in decades, but from what I remember, the dude was known for making both transforming robots as well as robots in his own image, so a giant transforming Eggman would be on-brand for him and the easiest thing to do in general for a crossover.';

'>>10963306

Now we just need Snarler.

The Autobot PBs optional, but nice.';

'>>10963314
Chainclaw was in RotB';

'>>10963317

Eh, I suppose. A Chainclaw, anyway. Maybe not THE Chainclaw.';

'>>10962903
>Swindle (unable to combine)
It's animated swindle';

'>>10963263
There is a hinge so he can raise it up. Anyway, since Transformers usually have a lot of things on their back, I would image their chairs wouldn't have backs to begin with.';

'>>10963303
Mold is fine, sure his second deco is iconic from his final scene. Shame that 3p legend is better.
>>10963325
>Bruticus Swindle
>Animated
Anon, Legacy Dragstrip also is unable to combine with Superion from 2025.';

'>>10963325
Animated Wasp is labeled Animated despite there being no other guys named Wasp. Seems unlikely.';

'Commander class king exkaiser confirmed for 2026';

'>>10963338
Shouldn't they do Gaogaigar? That is the one that is popular in the west.';

'>>10963339
Gotta start with the original first';

'>Make a ripoff of Hotrod so hard you even remake the design flaws for the original';

'Please... Hasbro...I'm not blowing £50+ on a figure that should only cost £6';

'>>10963342
>a ripoff of Hotrod
Isn't Hot Shot literally Hot Rod's name in Japan? Meaning he's actually intended to be the same character?';

'>>No new Pyro Ignitia Spark.
Say it ain’t so Obliterator fans';

'>>10963354
This one was called Exillion. So following western name it would match, but not how it was sold there.';

'>>10963354
Only in Micron Legend, in Galaxy Force he's called Excillion. But he definitely is intended to be a Hot Rod homage, more than the previous Hot Shots which were more of an evenly split Hot Rod/Bumblebee kid appeal amalgam';

'>>10963346
I was expecting him, Storm Surge, or Deep Dive as a recolor of TR Seaspray, but they didn't happen.';

'>>10963339
You say that GaoGaiGar isn't the most popular one everywhere
Its only in the last couple years that any company is giving any Brave not named GGG a glance';

'>>10963374
The others at least have a fanbase in Japan.';

'>>10963338
No Dragon Kaiser? Or will he go into the never ever realm alongside Jetfire and Override?';

'>>10963383
Probably, which would be a shame';

'>>10963383
That was the second MP. Then the line died forever.';

'Very happy';

'>>10963274
So the ground soldier would he be a shitty Cliffjumper remold or a battlecharger?';

'>>10963422

In the game its a Battlecharger.';

'>>10963431
Cliffjumper it is then.';

'>>10963325
I wish. I'm worried that the original is going to detonate any time I handle it';

'>>10962871
I find it supremely hard to believe it didn't affect the original toy in a negative way, but sounds like it got worse
>>10962874
well of course a chimaera CAN be cool, but traditionaly it doesn't have that many extra body parts. it's not supposed to look like three separate bodies conjoined. I know their goal was 'hey we have four limbs and wings, we could make this a dragon' but it really didn't work.';

'Holograms must have been a big thing in the 80s';

'>>10962940
He is too small, but he's also too spindly. the same goes for the t-rex megatron. too leggy, t-rex head too small.
I'm not sure how he'd stack up against magmatron, you'd have to show me some anime screenshots with other guys who have definite scale with known beast wars guys. but he is supposed to be way bigger than regular megatron and tm1 megatron. so they fucked that up.';

'>>10963300
You need to be perma'd already';

'>>10962903
>??SS Perceptor with casset bots
So wait
DON'T buy SS86 Perceptor? Wait for this one? Maybe it's a Voyager release with other cassettes?';

'>>10963060
one way or another i guarantee it won't be the good (Classic) designs, but either the nu shit or the movie shit';

'>>10963170
>>10963198
Can confirm. My Motormaster back of the legs stressed the pegholes on leg boys just by having them combined';

'>>10963346
Anon he's like under $15 usually. I guess harder to get in bongland tho';

'because no one asked here's a quick box comparison between 2021 Gnaw and 2024 Gnaw.';

'>>10963465
Sonic's been selling on nostalgia for a over decade and most collabs are. Going to look like 90s Sonic.';

'>>10963477
I asked (thank you)';

'>>10963170
I transformed mine many times to count and didn't break anything. Only minor stress marks on Wildrider that I could have prevented by sanding if I wanted to, but it's a complete non-issue so I didn't give a shit. In fact, the stress marks nonsense happens in plenty of modern transformers so it's not like it's something you can use to shit on Menasor. If anything, shit on Hasbro as a whole.

Legacy Menasor is still better that the pile of crap that was the combiner wars one, by the way. A couple of stress marks on the new one don't change how utter shit that one was.';

'>>10963463
best case: It's just SS86 with slightly different paint that comes with either Blasters or Soundwaves animals cassette or a combination of them (ie Ravage vs Steeljaw)

Worse case it's 1 for 1 SS86 Percey and with Rumble & Frenzy reenacting the "crack the shell" scene';

'>>10963477
>less box
>can hardly see what's inside
>toy is less secure
>$2~$5 markup depending on store

Thanks Hasbro';

'>>10963463
He probably has opaque plastic like the other Buzzworthy/Target exclusive 86 figures.';

'I went to forbidden planet and a lot of the tf figures had plastic windows, is that normal now or is it just certain batches.';

'>>10963158
>>Yellows
Mine has zero yellowing and has been sitting on the same shelf were Kingdom Cyclonus yellowed in just some months
>>Shoulders break
You say that like it's something that always happens, but on mine they're still good.
>>Ugly as sin
Looks like Menasor, you already should know how the character looks and what to expect. And the CW one looked like a malformed abomination, so it's clearly an improvement.';

'>>10963506
>Looks like Menasor
Thus, ugly. In fact it's uglier than the G1 toy, which at least worked like an actual combiner. Menasor is just a bad design and needs to be completely reworked to be acceptable.
>B-But the CW
Yes, the CW is bad. So is this. Both are bad. There is no good CHUG scale Menasor.';

'Need an update of this guy to go with the other GF updates';

'>>10963060
late reply but there was a Metal Sonic that turned into a jet ship in Sonic the Fighters.';

'>>10963548
That was part of what I was thinking of. I didn't mention it because that instance only appears in the intro normally.';

'>>10963486
don't forget
>he is now left-handed';

'>>10963477
They mirrored the boxart of the origina and gave him his tail mace back. Huh.';

'>>10963560
With how most nerd shit is doing obscure as hell deep cuts and references I think it's defiantly on the table.';

'>>10963435
I wouldn't be surprised. Would be nice if it was a bigger multipack.';

'>>10963477
>>10963486
I recall how hellish it was to find ones that their Shark head didn't have horrid QC issues like miss painted eyes but now you can't even see the shark head in that box. Fucking hell just get rid of the damn window or bring back the plastic!';

'>>10963566
You'd probably want to start with some easily recognized vehicle though.';

'Say we get a proper Voyager Animated Universe Pompous Gas Bag Prime, what possible repaints/remolds could we get from him?';

'>>10963566
I hear you but everything had been the most ionic picks made so I wager it'll either be Tails plane, sonic's car from the racing games or this bad boy from 2.';

'>>10963577
Maybe an Earth Ironhide because they didn't finalize the design since the scrapped season 4. They aren't doing big micromasters, so the monster trucks patrol are out of the question.';

'>Why's there no new beast wars in the leaks?';

'>>10963597
Because they don't know how to vac-metal anymore. Quickstrike is the only one left out from show characters after that.';

'>>10963599
NTA but they could still do Rampage (with a Shokaract repaint) and Depth Charge, and any TM2's since those are apparently on the table. I'm just wondering where tf is Cryotek lol.

Plus, iirc last year they speculated about redoing Rattrap at Deluxe, and I wouldn't be opposed to them retooling/remaking much of Kingdom in general since I really dislike how the beast modes there look, lol.';

'>>10962903
So now with this, the studio leaks and earlier Gen Prime leaks, and the swapticons, we know all of the 2025 toys except:
Titan class
Commander class (obviously Silverbolt)
Core class (is it dead?)
Generation Selects';

'>>10963601
There was an interview that talked about those a while ago. Also they probably don't feel like doing a triple-changer outside leader class.';

'>>10963537
ooh i dig this design.
>>10963548
Rocket Metal! he is pretty cool but kinda only works in that world's style..';

'>>10963606
Wonder who the SS Commander will be. A Commander for SS86 Devastator seems like overkill, esp since his torso is comprised of two dudes instead of one.';

'>>10963601
deluxetrap would be too big.. i hope they smallen him down and just include extra accessories to match the price point. Or make him extra complex, with like opening forearm and tiny explosive charge..';

'>>10963614
You say this after you have a whole bunch of deluxes that are tiny starting with Cliffjumper and most recently Animated Bumblebee?';

'>>10963614
I mean in a world where the minibots are deluxes, I can see it habbening. But you're right, those would be neat to have fo sho.';

'>>10963616
well I didn't know that!';

'Can you sonic fags go away';

'>>10963628
>Infested with lizards
>Infested with Sunrise
>Infested with Sonic
Just kill the concept of a transformers general';

'If Swindle is incompatible with how the Aerialbots work, I guess that means they aren't going to make a Nexus Prime from combining Aerialbot and Combaticon team molds. Maybe it will just be a recolor of Bruticus.';

'>>10963644
All it has to mean is that Nexus Prime won't use the Swindle mold, it's possible other SC combiners will be able to use whatever pegs.';

'>>10963601
Rattrap and Cheetor could really use it. We still need Packrat and Fractyl too. They got the molds and I wanna buy it.';

'>>10963644
He'll be a weaponizer compatible with the others' limbs';

'>>10963644
They probably just won't make one';

'>>10963590
possible';

'>>10963577
:/';

'>>10963660
this kind of body only bothers me because he has that humanlike face
he should have a monstery as fuck face to go with this crazy alien body';

'They make 2-3 haslab projects a year, take resources away from the other properties nobody cares about like Star wars or gi joe';

'>>10963671
No, we don't need more than one haslab every 1-2 years. They can stop making star wars haslabs entirely and direct that effort to joe for all I care.';

'>>10963646
Swindle wouldn't be used for Nexus Prime, but would be replaced with a Superion leg mold. If the combination method is different, then that wouldn't be possible.
>>10963656
Seems unlikely given the entire gimmick of the next years is having all the Primes.';

'>>10963678
I really don't like how much idw has infected transformers.';

'>>10963665
Dirt Boss's body isn't crazy alien.';

'>>10963660
He looks so offended
>:0';

'>>10963680
Nexus Prime is from Fun Publications, not IDW. IDW's Nexus not only didn't do shit, there was no use as being a combiner, simply the one who invented the technology that was used for them.';

'>>10963681
I think it is. it looks like an eggrobo';

'>>10963687
He does the same fucking thing with his chest as Sunstreaker.';

'>>10963686
Don't give them attention.';

'>>10963689
same deal here, I can get behind this kinda silly robot body, but not with that head.';

'I kind of prefer the combiner was figures purely because they were more fun and playable, plus you can customise a combiner. The new style is a bit lame because it feels like they are putting aesthetics over play features';

'>>10963730
They aren't fun to play with as a combiner. Easy to knock limbs out.';

'>>10963731
Then just put them back in, he'll that could be a feature, like a game where you smash them together and see which combiner loses it's limbs first or shoot them with a nerf gun';

'>>10963730
see i like the idea of SOME combiners being able to share SOME components, or even a combiner that can rearrange itself into different arrangements of the same guys, but if EVERYBODY can be ANYBODY's limb or torso, that gets dull. it's meaningless, nothing special about it anymore';

'I'm going to regret not getting omega prime, especially because I doubt they will do a rerun';

'>>10963738
Just by one from BBTS in 2026';

'>>10960973
it's really just for you, buddy. I was told from on high. You have work to do.';

'>>10963749
psh, i do have work to do. figures the big guy would nag me about it.';

'>>10962640
>>10962610
>>10962607
this looks amazing but I want an excellion so bad';

'>>10962863
>>10962877
you guys make me sad,
>>10962829
just the headsculpt crushes the new one';

'>>10963751
I didn't ask to be the fuckin messenger either, mate. life is weird.';

'>>10963743
You didn't get Omega Prime? I'm sure glad I'm not you.';

'>>10963761
Already confirmed.';

'>>10963777
It looked mid...';

'>>10963743
If you're lucky he'll end up like Victory Saber/Deathsaurus and have a mid receiving
So he'll pop up around the backing price or under';

'Definitely not intended use. Terrormander's a lot better for doubling up on hands than the others.';

'>>10963314
>we JUST need Snarler
None of you fags remember Bugly and Stranglehold and it hurts';

'>>10963807
And all the stuff attached here. The sword parts section feels look, like it should have electricity coming off before firing. Sea Phantom made it too heavy as a gun, so he just sits there.';

'I seriously have to buy Perceptor again just to get Ramhorn?';

'>>10963840
Maybe. Percy might have a different deco in the set. Don't think it would be outright be Magnificus because of SS86 status though.';

'>>10962942
where the hell is Sunstorm?';

'>>10963854
Wait, I'm dumb. They did that one already.';

'>>10963809

This guy has been my Bugly stand in.
Can't find anyone that'll work as Stranglehold';

'>>10962607
>>10962610
>>10962640
Wonky elbows aside he looks better than expected. Looking forward to grabbing this guy and Vector Prime if he ends up looking good. Been enjoying the new GF molds so far';

'>>10963870
UT fans I have a question.
Are the new Generations versions that much of an improvement? I ask because a lot of those figures from Energon and Cybertron had pretty decent articulation. Hell, CHUD was repainting a lot of molds as additional Universe guys. I can't but think it would be easier to simply track down the old figures as a lot of the new versions can't even include all the features (minicons, cyber keys)';

'What are your fave thrift store finds?

Picked up this 6" Optimus for $2.99 recently';

'>>10963911
Depends, really. I think they're mostly sidegrades, if nothing else. You lose on some paint apps, better feeling plastics, gimmicks and general heft but you also gain a bit more articulation.

Armada's the one that really benefits from the new figures IMO given those figures were pretty limited in articulation.';

'>>10963940
It's why I don't get too excited about any Generations for lines after Armada. Given how cheap Hasbro's been they all feel like a lateral move if not a downgrade. Is there anyone that actually likes the new Animated figures or Prime guys?';

'>>10963447
>it's not supposed to look like three separate bodies conjoined
?
A chimera is literally three bodies combined
Head and front of a lion, back legs and head of a goat and snake tail';

'OUR WORLDS ARE IN DANGER';

'>>10963988
OUR WIFE IS WITH A STRANGER';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
Oh it's ass, cool
I mean I guess it's cool for a retool but compared to the rest of the Cybertron updates this is just lame :(
can't all be winners I suppose';

'>>10963988
>Jhiaxus partial
Had to happen sooner or latee';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
>jhiaxus retool
huh, yeah I guess that works well enough besides the untouched shins';

'>>10963988
The wings on the back look mistransformed, or could at least be positioned better. I'm not particularly impressed with it, as a huge Cybertron Vector Prime fan. The round thighs don't look right, among other things, but I do like the key on the sword. The lack of Safeguard is dumb, as with the rest of all these figures missing mini-cons. I'd like to see more of him in non-render form, but I'll probably get him just because I like the character, and the added articulation should be fun.';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
Holy shit this is terrible
What happened?';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
It's fine. It's a Jhiaxus retool I guess. That mold is fine, just kind of mid.';

'>>10963988
>the leg wing connectors are still there despite not having leg wings
That's just laziness.';

'>>10963988
He still has the tabs for Jhiaxus' little shin wings, but they're just empty here';

'>>10963988
This looks like shit man.
>>10963992
So does this.';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
I'm impressed they were able to get him out of Jiaxus's mold, but he's a bit stumpy. I'll get him once he's on sale, or ends up with a repaint.';

'>>10963911
case in point:>>10963988';

'>>10963992
those nacelles don't quite look right, do they?
>>10963988
robot looks great.';

'>>10963911
I've owned a lot of Armada figures and it's been nice to get some decently articulated figures of those designs, despite Starscream and Hot Shot not exactly being great. I appreciate the more dynamic proportions too. As far as UT as a whole is concerned I personally don't really care a whole lot about the absence of cyber planet keys and their accompanying gimmicks. Minicons would certainly be nice but the smaller scale of the toys in general makes me miss them a bit less. The old toys are charming in their own right and there's something to be said for a lot of those Cybertron and UT figures in general that you can satisfyingly transform into their chunky alt modes in like 10 seconds with their big clicky joints.

I wouldn't really call them improvements since they're trying to achieve different things than the old toys were. I'm sure a lot of those old toys are worth hunting down if you think they look cool. A lot of the post Armada UT stuff does have fair amounts of articulation, but they can't really emote like a lot of the newer stuff can. They just end up looking kind of awkward when you try to stick them in a cool pose. Of course some old toys like Master Megatron still had almost everything you'd want articulation-wise and it's hard to imagine a newer figure being able to outdo them in any respect within the constrains of a modern toy budget.

>>10963988
>>10963992
That Jhiaxus mold really does strike a handsome robot silhouette but man he could really have done with bigger shoulder pads and wing thingies. At least he doesn't have half of his altmode hanging off his back I guess.';

'>>10963477
>tfw I had the opportunity to buy a solid case of 8 Gnaw for $60 but couldnt afford it that day
Reeeee fuck it sucks to suck';

'>>10963870
>Delayed in transit
Come on Screamer, you've been sitting about 20 miles from where I live for a week.';

'>>10964025
At most Master Megatron needs stronger ankles.';

'>>10963988
Hey look another figure poorfags will defend because they’re sour graping over not being able to buy the very obviously better looking original toy.';

'>>10963988
>>10963992

Well I had the original Vector Prime toy and I remember it looked amazing but was a brick and had a huge fucking stick coming out of his back. The new jet looks worse and the cape looks worse but the Robot mode will clearly be a better toy so I don't know what to tell ya';

'>>10964041
I have Legacy Jhiaxus and I'm kind of annoyed with it, so I'm definitely not getting Veccy.';

'>>10964041
>and I remember it looked amazing but was a brick
How was it a brick? It can kick to almost 90, arms move any which way, laterally to 90, elbows 90, has wrists or forearms, can't recall, head can twist, knees work fine. Only think lacking could be something like waist and ankle rockers, but neither of these were common at almost any point except recently.';

'>>10964026
next time that happens, ask a friend for a loan. i'm always happy to let someone buy a bargain today that won't be there tomorrow. i guess no credit card huh?';

'>>10964026
What could you need 8 of the same guy for?
...
I just remembered that lots of people have over a dozen Starscream recolors.';

'>>10964041
I want it in poop colors';

'I like these nacelle struts a lot better..';

'>>10964015
>>10964016
between that and the exposed-circuit shins, this REALLY should have been one of the new parts.';

'>>10964060
Some new lower legs and bigger shoulder pads would go a long way for improving this figure. Still wouldn't be perfect, but it would definitely look a lot better than what we got.';

'>>10962607
Cybertron Soundwave when?';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
Oh man that's fucking shit. I guess CybertronCHADs had to catch an L eventually...';

'>>10964060
Is that guy who still thinks Hasbro is working hand in hand with third parties that make gap fillers still here because this seems like prime insane conspiracy theory bait that "oh, this is to give the third party piece makers a nice chunk of change when they make replacement leg parts"';

'>>10964071
It started with L, then got way better, and fell back down.';

'Got Legacy Gears, robot mode is nice but I'm glad I didn't sold MFT Gears when the Legacy version was announced, MFTs going to be the altmode rep on the shelf.';

'>>10964075
honestly that almost sounds plausible
more plausible if any of the hasbro execs are chinese. we really need to start excluding anyone with any ties to pooh bear.';

'>>10964077
Nah Metroplex, Starscream, Override and Hot Shot are great, Vector Prime is the only shitty one';

'>>10964084
Way back in the days of Siege.';

'>>10964085
We don't talk about those.';

'>>10964083
I think most gap filler people are 3D Printer shit nowadays so I doubt it';

'>>10964089
They are but some of the companies have gap fillers ready before the figures are out in the market.';

'>>10964078
MFT is probably the closest to the animation model for Gears you could get in a figure.';

'>>10963988
Ught those god awful spaghetti shins they kept for the Jhmilhouse mold why. I just hope the shoulder pads don't droop as bad as the original one.';

'My brain was just like "hey what if Road Rovers crossover" because it does shit like that sometimes
and I couldn't remember what their.. dogmobile or whatever looked like. so I looked it up
they had 21 vehicles
the fucking show was only 13 episodes, how in the sacred tender testicles of christ did they get that many vehicles, and why didn't I notice? I loved that show when I was a dumb kid.';

'>>10964091
the conspiracy might on their end though
stolen molds, not shared. Neither one would shock me.';

'>>10964058
>>10964056
These do NOT compare. Of all characters, Vector is the one dude you want to look regal and intricate. Easy pass. Make more core class Beast Machines.';

'>>10964097
i assume that was part of the joke? Road Rovers was kind of a sendup of shows like TMNT and Biker Mice so it makes sense for them to have lots of toyetic vehicles';

'>>10964105
boy now that you say that, I am sure that's the reason
I think this is why the Freakazoid guys changed their show to be more overtly comedic, if you leave it half-and-half, it can be hard to detect and merely come off as lame instead of a parody.';

'>>10964084
Of course the only one I that I like, they go half ass on.';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
Credit where its due, the idea to use Jhiaxus as a base is sound but it needed to be a full retool and not a partial. Lacking the forearm sculpt is bad enough but the completely unaltered legs ruin the whole thing. I'm willing to bet whoever designed this wanted new legs but John Hasbro looked at Vector Prime and his sculpted mechanical detail, then at Jhiaxus' sculpted cables and said "Fuck it, close enough."

And no Safeguard. FFS Hasbro';

'>>10964107
yeah, iirc freakazoid was originally a Creeper spin-off of BTAS at some point';

'How are they gonna fuck up Sideways. Place your bets.';

'>>10964113
Titans Return Scourge retool';

'Have they remolded Siege Springer yet';

'>>10964113
Cybertron or Armada?';

'>>10964117
Recolored into a different Springer';

'>>10963807
Mods are asleep, post unsanctioned combinations';

'>>10964113
>Sideways but it's not Armada
They already fucked up';

'>>10963870
>>10963988
>>10963992
Never seen a dude so brutally called out before';

'>>10964122';

'>>10964112
Bruce Timm did design for it, and when they pivoted away from it being a proper action show, he left them to it, wasn't the kinda thing he signed on for. i can't help but imagine what that would have been like, but damn i'm happy with what we got..

anyway Freakmobile transformer when';

'>>10964122
True Convoy, who randomly got an homage on PCC.';

'>>10964125
So if Mini-Cons are banned in the standard retail releases, would Sideways have two detachable heads that don't turn into robots or a combined rider, like how Nitro Zeus did it?';

'>>10964132
If it wasn't meant to be him, its a cool coincidense.';

'>>10964056
The lack of forearm 'guards', and the laser gun-like toes, and smaller shoulder pads are probably the weakest parts of this design. I am warming up to the look though, I guess. I wouldn't have a huge issue with the exposed wires if there was more of that 'damaged' detailing, but the rest of the design is so clean it makes it looks pretty out of place.';

'>>10964132
i love it, an actual convoy.';

'>>10964133
b.. banned?';

'>>10964137
>wires are out of place with nowhere else on the body having it
I felt that way about the original use of the mold too. not that I would have liked it even if there had been more... I don't want wires in a futuristic robot at all. i want something I wouldn't even recognize.';

'>>10964132
I think about this concept art a lot, I wish there was some company dedicated to making figures based off some of the weird concepts in the back of the TF Generations books';

'>>10963163
>Things shouldn't be made with the purpose of being ugly.
And yet your parents made you.';

'>>10964132
This is a cool idea.';

'>>10964137
If the exposed wires were gears no one would complain';

'>>10963988
All I want to know: can the wings do the cool thing';

'>>10964152
zing';

'>>10964155
Yeah. Then it would be both an intentional change instead of leftover parts from the previous owner and more Vector Prime flavored.';

'>>10964127
MegatronsRus.';

'ROCKET POWER';

'>>10964015
>>10964016
They may be used now as tabs for his vehicle mode wings';

'>>10964167
more like rock power
this doesn't even make sense';

'>>10964167
Seriously what is this';

'I want Legacy Nickel';

'>>10964167
>>10964173
So glad we got Warden back.';

'>>10964094
Cute cat';

'>>10964167
>>10964173
Looks like some moon rover got fused with moon rocks, or something. Idk, it looks like some sort of visual "space rock/space man" gag
I'd like it more if it were just a cool space car guy';

'>>10964167
>>10964173
This is significantly cooler than magneous but... what the fuck is it, exactly? Moonman?';

'>>10964173
Was hoping for a spaceship.';

'>>10964185
Cocaineman';

'>>10964173
Why did they make the colors like this? Feels less cohesive than the others.';

'>>10964025
>despite Starscream and Hot Shot not exactly being great.
I thought everyone liked that Starscream. I like it more than the Cybertron one, honestly, though that has as much to do with the original design as Legacy.';

'undefined';

'>>10964173
OH it's an actual thing. I thought >>10964167 was a shoop at first';

'>>10963870
>>10963911
I'd say for the most part yes
Some are better entirely like Over Drive/Nitro Convoy
Yea the gun is kinda weak but it CAN hold an original Key in the Weapon
Starscream I just wish had better Gun and the Crown

Hoping Vector Prime is good

>>10963988
>>10963992
>Jhiaxus remold
>A GOOD Jhiaxus remold
Wow
Kinda crazy, He looks great but the solid transparent Sword fucking sucks';

'>>10964173
an attempt at a double dip that looks double dumb.';

'>>10964167
>>10964173';

'>>10964156
Be badly mistransformed like retarded Hasbro stock photography?';

'>>10964173
his ride';

'>>10964202
He looks cooler with the wings up';

'>>10964175
Core-class Nickel would be a pleasant surprise';

'Wave 3: July 2024
Core Rock 3
Deluxe RID Sideburn
Deluxe Cybertron Hot Shot
Deluxe Rock 3
Deluxe Strongarm PR
Voyager Cybertron Vector Prime
Leader Armada Galvatron

Wave 4: October 2024
Core Energon Galvatron
Deluxe G1 Optimus Prime
Deluxe Slipstream
Deluxe G1 Quake
Voyager Animated Motormaster
Voyager Metalhawk PR
Leader Soundwave

Too bad no more interesting leaks for a while. I'm guessing VP's pack mate is gonna be a repack conehead or something.';

'>>10964173
At least the green one looked like a cool monster.';

'>>10964192
haha. it look like he penis.';

'>>10964191
I think Armada Starscream is just ok but he was universally shit on here when he came out. He could certainly be worse but i think a lot of the hate is justified. He really suffers from a lack of paint imo and he has some of the worst weapons I can think of in recent memory. The wing blade is pathetic and the Star Saber is waaaay too tiny unless you give it to Hot Shot. I've heard a lot of people have had qc issues with his shoulder assembly as well. Cybertron Starscream feels like a much more solid figure, especially for the price. I am really fond of his Armada design, though';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
>>10964167
>>10964173
These are unironically two of the suckiest figures I've ever seen.';

'>>10964212
I'm assuming the quad-changing would be omitted in favor of just the land mode.';

'>>10964214
Hopefully Thrust, but more likely Ramjet since they've done the Dirge from that set already.';

'>>10964214
I'm still confused by Deluxe G1 Optimus even though he's probably the most basic character on the list, with the focus on scale in the current line it just feels weirdly out of place and I'm wondering what the deal is';

'>>10964214
>blue car
>blue car
>white car
>blue and white car
>white spaceship
>white tank
Normally they try a bit harder with the variety

>VP's pack mate is gonna be a repack conehead or something.
Cybertron Starscream if word on the street is true';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
>>10964167
>>10964173
Thank God Warden's coming back. This shit is fucking embarrassing.';

'>>10964215
that green guy looks like Castle Greyskull.';

'>>10964219
>The wing blade is pathetic and the Star Saber is waaaay too tiny unless you give it to Hot Shot.
That's fair. I don't really give a shit about those accessories much either way, but obviously the Star Saber is a significant one.
>Cybertron Starscream feels like a much more solid figure
I just think the alt mode is a bit shit. It was shit in 2005 and it's still shit. It's far from robot-yoga-tier, and the original Supreme class toy has its charms, but much like Armada Megatron the whole thing just feels anemic to me without all the features. Armada Starscream at his core is still a cool looking robot that turns into a neat enough jet, and the Legacy one captures that just fine.';

'Who would've thought rocks are hard to update?';

'>>10964225
gotta pinch pennies since hasbro losing money all over the place with their poor decision making.';

'>>10964226
Hell yes, even more hollow limbs than we have now, FUCK. YES.';

'>>10964223
I remember way back people thought that would be a Core Optimus with a trailer, but then they released that via pulse along with a Bumblebee which was $40, so weird if done at retail for cheaper.';

'>>10964167
>so sorry, no budget for boosters AND weapon...';

'>>10964226
heck yeah anon I can't wait to have my favorite characters fucking ruined by some obnoxious fucking gimmick!';

'>>10964231
They didn't aim to update the rocks to begin with.';

'>>10964167
>>10964173
why exactly am I supposed to be mad at the moonrock rocket limo';

'>>10964231
they're all good but it's a real head scratcher as to why they made them some weird vehicle things';

'>>10964240
As opposed to being ruined by being shitty retools and literal fanfiction OCs?';

'>>10964025
This is true for basically every non-G1 toy in the last few years of Generations
So few of them can be considered 100% upgrades over previous versions. Really it's just the Beast Wars guys that are probably all better. And considering their competition is pushing 30 years old, that's kind of laughable.';

'>>10964240
Warden is the man who decided modern articulation should be the gimmick.';

'>>10964244
OH NO NOT HECKING OCS I NEED ANOTHER REDO OF THE ARK CREW';

'>>10964245
and even then, there are some who are kinda lateral moves.. and one or two who are flat-out worse.
though you're forgetting 3 of them got T30 versions they're competing with, and those blow the new ones out of the water. except their rattrap was too big, and this one's too small.';

'>>10964141
>Taking anyone who uses "ban" outside of internet usage seriously.';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
I mean, I don't hate it. The shoulder pauldrons are a bit small, he could've used his old wrist armor, and those connectors from Jhiaxus' legwings are blatantly visible (plus he's missing Safeguard), but otherwise it's a fairly good rendition of his robot mode; I like that he doesn't have what is more or less his entire alt mode hanging off his back like the old Voyager did, and he's got a far more satisfying transformation.
On the other hand, that alt mode is looking a bit rough. The solar panel wings look too small, and the nosecone looks a bit stumpy. He's also got the same issue I had with Jhiaxus (obviously) in that his robot arms just kinda hang there on the bottom; yeah, his legs did that before on the original, but at least they took up the entire backside of the ship mode instead of just being a random bulge in the middle that broke up the entire silhouette. I also wish he had a little clear piece in the slot at the tip of his nosecone to resemble his old missile - the ship just looks off without it.
Still, I think he's a decent enough looking upgrade, particularly the robot mode, so I'll probably get him at some point.';

'>>10964175
Say you have shit taste without saying shit taste.';

'>>10964246
No he fucking wasn't. Every mainline wave was hamstrung by some awful gimmick. Plus Warden is the reason everything that wasn't G1 was banned; if he'd had his way we'd never have gotten Beast Wars at all. He literally said this.';

'>>10964243
They probably thought that robots that just turned into rocks wouldn't sell nowadays and to be fair they are probably right';

'>>10964249
Well my point was to get out of anon what he meant. People will be honest with you about their viewpoints if you simply take them at face value
then if they're retards, you'll know.';

'>>10964253
>Every mainline wave was hamstrung by some awful gimmick.
After the Prime Wars lines knocked out the SC combiners and Headmasters, two of the franchise's biggest gimmicks that had long been neglected, the WFC trilogy was about doing most of the G1 cast with modern articulation.
>if he'd had his way we'd never have gotten Beast Wars at all. He literally said this.
He literally said otherwise, part of his goodbye message was him directly stating the rumors about him hating Beast Wars was wrong. Take your meds.';

'>>10964257
>Turn everyone into combiner or headmaster even when the original toy wasn't one
>Multiple waves of Autobots being recolored Stunticons that look complete bullshit in robot mode';

'Super secret insider info quotes John Warden saying Beast Wars was the Dark Ages of Transformers and Animated was terminal cancer, for real trust me dude';

'>>10964257
>years of refusing to do beast wars
>get criticized
>"n...no I didn't do it!"

It's funny you dumbfucks want that incompetent retard back to kill the line after he just got done murdering Power Rangers so badly that they're licensing the brand out to another toy company.';

'>>10964251
Nickel is cute';

'>>10964259
>Turn everyone into combiner or headmaster even when the original toy wasn't one
Not a terrible way of fitting mainstay characters into lines focused on those gimmicks.
>>10964261
>years of refusing to do beast wars
Odd that he also had years of "refusing" to do the UT or Prime or RID01 or whatever, but only BWfags insist he must hate Beast Wars, even though he not only, you know, actually went and gave us our modern BW remakes, he's on video saying yes, he likes Beast Wars. Take your meds.';

'>>10964259
that's the golden warden touch! Aren't you glad we got so many characters permanently locked in Titan Master hell? So glad we got Headmaster Kup and Hot Rod instead of characters that were actually Headmasters. And lets not forget that Warden killed Micromasters so dead that they're literally banned from retail.

To add insult to injury, he spent years giving us half-hearted gimmick figures until he was on his way out the door and passing the line over, at which point we miraculously started getting normal versions of characters without retarded gimmicks. Funny, that!';

'>>10964251
>rent free';

'>>10964259
>Multiple waves of Autobots being recolored Stunticons that look complete bullshit in robot mode
The worst thing about that was that 3 of the 4 figures in both waves shared molds. So instead of getting more APCs we got 3 lambos, 3 pickups and 3 cop cars (one of which was supposed to be Smokescreen, not even a cop car to begin with)';

'>>10964264
>Not a terrible way of fitting mainstay characters into lines focused on those gimmicks.
WHY DID THEY NEED TO BE FORCED INTO GIMMICK LINES AT ALL';

'>>10964254
they should've had a way to turn into rocks anyway, as a third mode.';

'>>10964269
Because if a year goes by without Optimus or Megatron on shelves, Transformers will be ruined forever.';

'>>10964264
Prowl and Sunstreaker managed to be less accurate than the older ones, Mirage still looks nothing like Mirage. Your only thing would be that since Ironhide's old one was awful he ends up better by default.';

'>>10964167
>>10964173
So we get extensive retooling for the rock guy. Which doesn't even benefit the figure because it's a retool of rocks into rocks. But no retooling for Side Burn. Who the fuck made this decision? What a total waste of the budget.';

'>>10964254
we'll never know how they sell because I've never seen them at retail';

'>>10964268
Combiner wars was a low budget line, but is thanks to combiners selling full waves that the big wigs at hasbro gave more budget for unique molds on later lines.';

'>>10964273
And all of them wound up getting more accurate figures later under Warden's administration.';

'>>10964167
>>10964173
Okay
This looks retarded as fuck

>>10964175
Core Nickel please';

'>>10964278
So you say their value is... that they were replaced with the ones you would actually want later?';

'>>10964280
Actually, I still have those CW ones and don't have any of their later figures. I think their value is the variety of options.';

'>>10964167
>>10964173
>Black rock car retooled into white rock car
Rockamuck and Rockabout.';

'>>10964279
>This looks retarded as fuck
absolute shit taste';

'>>10964285
It looks like shit man.';

'so disappointed they half assed both the rock guys and the junkions. We needed way more new molds';

'This thread is a bunch of whiny nothingness. You don't like anything. Why do you even come to these threads?';

'>>10964286
>I....i....it looks like shit! because......because it just does okay?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!

sorry it's not the 385894th cliffjumper rehash';

'They could have retooled Vector Prime's legs so he at least didn't have EMPTY TABS on the sides, but they decided that marshmallow rock mobile was a better use of retool budget.';

'>>10964287
they should've just done more junkions instead of the rock turds';

'>>10964288
Because occasionally something really cool gets made. Also sunk costs.';

'>>10964273
>Mirage still looks nothing like Mirage.
Looks closer than both the siege and earthrise toys, but Ironhide slot should've used for Perceptor, based on his Generations toy,';

'>>10964291
the only bad part about the rocks is that the core one, which is the best one, is fucked over by having a sword hanging off its back';

'>>10964271
Good idea
>>10964276
This too, I haven't seen legacy stuff in the stores I frequent. They still had studio series Hot Rod and bumblebee Soundwave at my walmart a few months ago lol';

'>>10964294
Closer than the Classics, but Earthrise has a fake chest to look like the front of his vehicle mode, which puts him on the level of the Combiner Wars repaint squad, while Combiner Wars Mirage is still lacks even that.';

'>>10964227
>Here's your MotU collaboration, bro';

'InfernacCHADs racking up Ws while RIDFAGs rack up Ls
Many such cases';

'>>10964292
As opposed to 100% absolute shit which is exactly what POTP and CW was.';

'>>10964304
POTP is Warden's magnum opus';

'imagine how fucking weird the last few posts would look to the uninitiated
like me';

'>>10963950
TFW plastic addicts/"desperate for new merch of old thing they like" addicts, youtube influencers, and people who dislike TFA/TFP's artstyles are into the Legacy versions, yes.
So basically most everyone except the actual fans of the shows, who aren't totally mindbroken by consumerism.';

'>>10964299
WFC has a fake chest to emulate the look, but CW has the spoiler feet, wheel ankles and his arms form the sides of the car like on the original, WFC got those 3 things wrong ( and the calf wheels suck for posing), also their altmode is too cybertronian even on the earthrise retool.';

'>>10964305
That'd be TR, when he got a decent budget.';

'>>10964310
none of those things are real';

'undefined';

'Has anyone ever collected all the Dead End mold guys and put them in one photo?';

'>>10964285
My man it literally does look like shit
Even tho I like the idea';

'>>10964317
>if i say it again it's true

cope';

'>>10964310
I'm a fan of Animated and I liked the new legacy Optimus';

'>>10964167
>>10964173
FUCK PFF WITH THAT MOLD!';

'>>10964316
Fffuck, I've got it at home.';

'>>10964127
Warms my heart when someone posts one of my monstrosities.
>>10964165
MegaMegatron';

'>>10964326
It is only the second use. Once it gets turned blue and packaged with Laser Magnus it will be something to be annoyed with.';

'>>10964315
Cutie';

'>>10964314
heh..... but then neither are you...... kid..........
>Ur body fades from reality

>>10964325
I mean yer allowed to like whatcha like and all that, he's half-decent. But he's definitely no upgrade pver the original voyager, if anything I'd argue he's slightly worse, and when the TFA figures' engineering was already so basic I feel like that's the biggest sin for it. Putting aside my distaste for the G1 details and panel-lining, why the hell does it take from the original TFA Deluxe's transformation? That thing was terrible and over-designed, all because they wanted to include an automorph gimmick that they gave up on halfway in (swinging the axe over his head during transformation, which's not possible on the final toy) - and it results in the robot mode's proportions being ass, with the abdomen being swallowed up by the chest... something the Legacy figure also suffers from. Seriously, his body goes inmediately from chest to hips, it's ugly, man.
Tl;dr as someone who still owns his old figures, the Legacy ones just all feel like low-rent knockoffs made by people who don't actually care for these designs or characters, and are just blindly trying to replicate the originals after 10 seconds of research. Like what happened/is happening with Car Robots...';

'>>10963913
>thrift store finds
2/5 of my KSI team, Mixmaster and Galvatron. Both found at the thrift store this month for $4 each.';

'>>10964325
I do too, though it's kind of odd to me in that it doesn't feel like a real CHUGified Animated Optimus, but at the same time it's not accurate to the show in the way the old toys were either. For my tastes it doesn't go far enough in the CHUG direction. It's still a good figure though, aside from getting the truck cab lined up being an occasional hassle.';

'Hey, it has been like a decade since Windblade. What if they did another one where you vote design aspects and then gets filtered through strange decision making at Hasbro?';

'So I got BBM Shockwave today, little comparison with Nemesis Bridge Shockwave
And straight out of the box I feel the lack of biceps. But I'll play with him a bit more to get a full opinion.

Also my Nemesis Shockwave has that thing where the ratchets in his hips are like a quarter click misaligned';

'>>10964315
>two left hands
No wonder she's mad';

'>>10964337
I also have the deluxe animated Prime and I liked it so maybe that's why I like the new one
>>10964342
It's odd that they tried to chugify the animated and prime characters but then you have almost perfect recreations of the originals with armada and cybertron. Then you have whatever the fuck happened with RID 2000...';

'>>10964348
If they tried a straight remake, outside of Airachnid, they would have fallen on their faces and been worse than the original while doing something different means they won't be directly compared to the old one. And they still did flop on a fair number of them.';

'>>10964345
>Bonecrusher squinting on the back cause he doesn't like purple cyclops.

Cool waves.';

'>>10964348
They said that the UT guys are basically 100% being done by Takara';

'>>10964348
In fairness Armada didn't start out so faithfully, Hot Shot notably has very G1 square shoulders for some reason and Starscream straight-up has the same head as his T30 figure; it seems like it was a very last-second shift.

And yeah for all my complaining about the G1ification, I'd rather they leaned in harder on it if it were clear they wouldn't be able to do the accurate designs justice. I dislike Legacy TFA Prowl cuz the bike mode is just terrible unlike the og, but from an artstyle standpoint? Yeah, I can appreciate his bot mode, as like a fun what-if. If there's somebody into the TFP Cliffjumper in that 3pack or the TFP Skyquake or Thundertron over the originals, like, I could understand it yeah.
Meanwhile we have Legacy TFA Bumblebee who's just Animated but several degrees uglier and more deformed, and TFA Prime who's a more polished version of an imo flawed-at-conception old Deluxe.';

'>>10964348
>Then you have whatever the fuck happened with RID 2000...
Car Robots was never going to translate well to modern Transformers. Even the Haslab Ultra Magnus just looks off. I kind of want the new Sideburn for nostalgia's sake but I know that mold isn't great and it's the little details that make the original cool to look at. The vehicle mode is fucking pathetic in comparison.';

'>>10964331
MegaMegaempress';

'They could have done an RID Combiner Wars wave instead of a second G1 carbots. X-Brawn from Offroad, Prowl from Breakdown retooled to have lights and Side-Burn from Dead End. The fourth limb could be Skidz from Drag Strip or something. Torso is retooled Hot Spot.';

'>>10964367
I like most his Animated-style fat girls and a girl that mimics Cybertron Galvatron was something that I liked the thought of a while ago, but the two don't feel like they mesh well.';

'Thoughs about terrorsaur golden disk collection?
I know he is a retool of airazor';

'>>10964393
well he's colored way wrong.. the PF one isn't much better. I don't hate him, it's not a bad toy, but what a fucking wasted opportunity. they could have just swapped the direction of the beast stuff, and had the legs fold under the body..';

'>>10964393
Too small, has wrong deco and wings don't point upwards on botmode, the OSKO fixed those 3 and added fillers to the dino neck at the cost of small hands, those are easy to swap tho.';

'Why does the original Rhinox toy suck?';

'>>10964404
Still better than the Kingdom one';

'>>10964404
Lots of huge panel chunks';

'>>10964393
People say "Wrong paint deco" but he's basically 1/1 but needed the shoulder to bicep in silver and proper weapon
Being small does suck tho
I got the BWVS set one and he's pristine but I want the Gold Disk so I have a Terrorsaur to mess with and have Gold Disk';

'>>10964404
they saw the big round body of a rhino, and their only thought was "Fuckit, shellformer"
they didn't want to make complicated interlocking parts that, once assembled and aligned, form the rhino body. nooo.
plus they had this weird oldschool-zora thing going on with his face, and a bizarre weapon comprised of a buzzsaw with two maces attached to it..';

'>>10964409
there are good upgrade kits for him at least
but as someone who repainted him, I can tell you there are other problems. legs come to mind.

i so wish they had given him the thicker neck panels he had in the show, and had them fold into uhhh....... i had an idea for where those would go but I have forgotten.';

'I'm angry because Hasbro needs to make Leader Class Cybertronians.';

'>>10964414
>Hasbro needs to make Leader Class Cybertronians
?????';

'>>10964409
>BWVS terrorsaur
Is that really an improve? from the pictures its looks like the same';

'>>10964414
I'm struggling to name a leader class toy that is *not* a Cybertronian
Tigerhawk on technicality? He was made by the Vok';

'>>10964421
Kinda but better coloring across the board and feels so much better. I don't have a good pic of my own on hand';

'>>10964420
Yes. Sorry for saying Cybertronians. When I say Cybertronians I mean they should make dope as hell Leader Class Transformers from the part of the timeline where Optimus was Orion Pax and Megatron was Megatron. There is a great need. Hasbro hates money.';

'>>10964423
>better coloring across the board

How can it be better with the random patches of black plastic and dull grey instead of shiny silver?';

'>>10964428
Christ it's so hard to find a good image of him but damn he really does have mostly silver/Red in show.
Yea it doesn't need the Black in Hands, Knees and Ankles honestly
Imagine getting both and swapping some parts
that'd be sick';

'>>10964428
they took his lead-colored darker silver and made it black instead. a real bonehead move. but it does make him slightly more accurate than before. and it'd be easy enough to paint dark silver over the black, and regular silver over the white.';

'>>10964436
I get why Mainframe wanted to reduce his wings, so he'd look like more of a humanoid robot, and so they wouldn't clip into others,
but would it have killed them to put them on his back? then you can at least pretend the toy is right.';

'>>10964443
>Legacy doing a Filch
>Wing bits attach to the Bicep
THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT TOO
FUCK';

'>>10964447
holy shit i hadn't even thought of that
it's as if someone said "well this is the wrong size class, so I won't even try"';

'>>10964436
>Christ it's so hard to find a good image of him
Yeah, there are also like only 2 or 3 groupshots when you can tell how big hes supposed to be.';

'>>10964453
>>10964454
It's worse cause he literally has the Peg hole in the arm and the spike
They probably could have moved it up to the Bicep/Shoulder';

'>>10963453
They were truly truly outrageous times';

'>>10964459
The wings need to shrink more, it would have to be a smaller part than what Filch has.

Anyway, Rhinox ass gave us the most clear Predacon scale shot we could've asked for.';

'>>10964284
Runabrick and Runarock';

'>>10964454
i was massively surprised to find out he was that big. he's NEVER 'framed big' because he's such a small personality. a tiny, sniveling man.. he just happens to be the second tallest on the team
it's sad the OSKO has such tiny hands. fucking incompetent chinese.';

'>>10964463
well a certain amount of imagination would be required, but they'd at least LOOK right';

'>>10964474
The tiny hands suck, but has so many pros (price, deco, scale, add on kit included) the small hands are easy to ignore. They're also easy to swap, they used screws instead of pins, so if you have acces to gundam kit hands or a 3d printer you can fix it in minutes.';

'Who are your favorite transformer duos?
Mine are Runamuck an Runabout, topspin an twinteist, and bumblebee an cliffjumper.';

'>>10964496
Ransack and crumplezone';

'>>10964496
there was something very satisfying about waspinator and terrorsaur
one with machinations but without the sense to back them up, the other simple but sensible enough not to follow that junk.. and both just going out on flights together because the others can't, and getting new pods is the highest priority.';

'>>10964496
Ratrap and Dinobot are a comical pair.';

'>>10964496
Dreadwind and Darkwing, purely because I like their POTP toys, even if that line sucked as a whole.';

'>>10964496
Going with Rattrap and Dinobot - not just because they gave me a chuckle, but the chemistry felt rather genuine between them (which was funny because they were both voiced by the same guy and were essentially him arguing with himslef like a schizo in the recording booth).
>>10964513
More than that, they were closer than they appeared - Waspinator was visibly affected by Terrorsaur's death, and his personality undergoes a bit of a change from that point onwards where he's getting more cynical and more visibly annoyed by the shit that keeps happening around him, culminating in him finally 'quitting' and fucking off to become the caveman king in the finale.';

'>>10964496
Blurr and Shockwave';

'>>10963988
>>10963992
I wonder if he yellows like Jhiaxus. Either way, I'm so disappointed. Might get him on a steep discount.';

'>>10964496
Megatron and Starscream.
Surprised no one has said that yet.';

'>>10963477
so did they just repackage the ones that didn't sell or did they make more cases? Because he wasn't that hard to find and was at clearance stores last November/December as well as that two-pack special with Jazz. Don't get me wrong I love the fat frogmonster but he isn't as in demand of the SS choices like DotM Soundwave, Cogman or the majority of BB film deluxe figures.';

'>>10964496
Lugnut and blitzwing';