'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5xueJq4Lwc
It's been one(1) month since The Dance...';

'>>4188853
This is probably the best girls dance since the emergence of anime. The music, picture quality, details and flirting are just 10/10. There should be no animations that can surpass it within 10 years, but it doesn't seem to have caused much discussion on /u/.';

'>>4188905
It's not like there's much to discuss';

'>>4188905
The dance released before 2.1 and at the time, there wasn’t anything else to go on.
A few things were noticed like the background characters briefly shown in the stars but not much else
Also I think people are just more realistic about modern Hoyo. It’s all teases that won’t go anywhere';

'>>4188905
Personally for me I like and appreciate the animation plus all the gay art it's spawned but idk the way MHY treats its female characters like idols for lack of a better term kinda rubs me the wrong way. I know that's a little tonedeaf to say in the MHY thread but it's one of those in spite of things.

Like, when that preview still first released people commented how Acheron wasn't wearing heels and how refreshing that was...but you can see in the animation she totally is. They're always gonna be idols for otaku.';

'>>4188905
Much of it for me is its just not an interesting ship.
They've gone and put out pandering content for the ship without developing the ship first.';

'>>4188921
>MHY treats its female characters like idols
That’s a really funny and accurate way to look at it';

'>>4188921
>the way MHY treats its female characters like idols
What do you mean?

>Acheron wasn't wearing heels and how refreshing that was
People said that about the light cone art where she wears a suit, not the dance animation';

'>>4188921
>Like, when that preview still first released people commented how Acheron wasn't wearing heels and how refreshing that was...but you can see in the animation she totally is.
Thats a weird expectation desu, considering the heels are literally build into that age model.';

'>>4189112
People have a thing against characters designed with heels for some reason nowadays.
I don't get why.';

'>>4189066
>What do you mean?

Like, idols in Japan and Korea and wherever are expected to be these immaculate icons who are always perfectly dressed, always energetic and enthusiastic, and always single. And the same kinda applies to the women in these games. Always in high fashion with heels, always perky and ready to banter, relationship status almost always one big fat question mark from now until the end of time. It gets kind of frustrating. Not that I'm dissing on shipping or the like either - I love fan works which casually explore what MHY never would themselves.';

'I don't see much Bronseele fanart somehow, especially among artists that hopped from Genshin to HSR (or doing both). I get that a lot of their development is within HI3 which is currently fading into obscurity, but even within HSR they still have among the most developed dynamics out of all the pairs.';

'>>4189120
I'd say it's the clash of women swinging big Odachi and wearing high heels.
There's also the whole characterization part. Like as if QQ gives a shit about heels.

Personally I don't really care, or rather don't really look there much so I never really feel like something is off. But if someone looks more often towards feet for whatever reasons.. I can somewhat understand.';

'>>4189139
On other hand the idolification works to keep the het away. And I sincerely believe hoyo would like to make at least a few yuri couples canon, but they can't because of CCP and censorship.
As for the heels it's probably just what the devs find hot, plus them being too lazy to animate models without heels instead of just recycling the other animations';

'>>4189179
Me again: while the heels do look jarring in most contexts (they would be impractical as fuck for a warrior), they are the smallest of the problems when it comes to HSR character design. The biggest threat is the Xianzhou dress syndrome: detached sleeves, open back, halter top, choker. Despite the name it affects women from all planets. Plus some of the designs are very same face, like Seele and Acheron look like literal sisters and Sampo looks like their cousin.';

'>>4189120
I think it's of the fact that literally everyone has heels except for like...two characters?';

'>>4189179
Wait, how exactly does idolification keep the het away? Idols fanbases are hugely male.';

'>>4189191
They meant it keeps the girls away from the m*le characters too.';

'>>4189195
Oh. Yeah but knowing they're instead pandering to self inserty PLAYERS doesn't make me feel much better. I'm pretty sure the CEO or one of the highups at MHY literally did a presentation on developing virtual idols to connect with players.';

'>>4189196
As long as the character doesn't have shiptease with the TB I don't give a fuck. Still better than het teasing';

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'A part of me naively believes that Hoyo actually wants to commit to Acheron being a lesbian character. During a stream, Acheron's EN VA mentioned that "bitten peach" is a metaphor for homosexuality in China specifically. I know the whole peach thing is an HI3 reference, but I feel like the devs also must have known about the metaphor. Plus Acheron's voice line for peaches seems to be referencing a specific situation or person, and there are hints throughout her lore that she was special to someone. All this makes me anxious about what we'll learn of Acheron in the upcoming patches. Then again, there are also reasons to believe that Acheron is meant to be shipped with the player, which I dislike.

I also really want more Acheron/BS interactions, but I'm a bit worried that BS has some death flags.';

'>>4189212
It's the same thing with EiMiko
A bunch of stuff buried in the game but never anything concrete front and center';

'Don't tell me this was the "Kafka and Himeko make a coat together" leak...';

'>>4189217
Leakers should all be sent to the gulag at this point.

Got the Star Fail 2.2 characters wrong.
Got Arlecchino's entire kit wrong.
Completely misunderstood the 2.1 "quests".

A bunch of good for nothing attention whores';

'>>4189217
For how popular this ship is, it's surprising how little of it actually exists in game. The crumbs they do have are more like dust particles.';

'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDV1Jt1Dti4

Some kind of special Arlecchino music video is coming';

'>>4189217
Not to be bitter or anything, but I wish this ship would die and all that art and fic would go to a ship that has more going for it than "they're hot and spoke to each other once"';

'I have no idea who these two are, but thus pic is unreasonably hot and is almost tempting me back into honkai3rd';

'>>4189219
Makes me worry about the leaks about Sethos and Implications that its the leaked mummy girl that was questionable if it was an actual leak';

'>>4189450
Won't be surprising, the leaks subreddit HATED her design and knowing that Hoyo keeps some kind kind of tabs over there because said subreddit users have a thing for bois over there.';

'>>4189044
It's painfully obvious in Genshin after Inazuma with keikaku mistress Yae up until Furina where the vast majority of women just existed. Pre and post Inazuma feel like completely different stories on how they utilize their women.';

'Kafime and Acheswan are just Beigguang and Eimiko in space. Don't see why everybody is losing their minds over them.';

'>>4189815
Not sure that's fair comparing Kafhime to Beigguang. There's at least some interaction and time sepnt together going on for the latter

The first was based on one(1) look Himeko gave';

'>>4189801
>reddit hated the design
Figures they'd have shit taste.';

'>>4189831
Tomboyish brats aren't my type but i would choose that before the thing they shown in the stream. Even though, there's an earlier concept of him that actually looked nice but I don't know why hoyoverse regularly pick the worst designs.

By the way, we are forgetting someone...';

'I need a fanfic based on this pic';

'How we feeling about Arlecchino's doomed yuri with her childhood friend?';

'So it's now official that Arlecchino has been a tomboy since kid and she has a childhood sweethearts.';

'>>4189901
Baby 2B in the thumbnail.';

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'>>4189899
I like it far more than her with Furina';

'>>4189899
Short but sweet. I liked it.';

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'It would be funny if this is true.';

'Oh';

'yep, it's time to ship';

'On a scale from 1 to 10 how yuri would you rate Arlecchino's short?';

'>>4190217
6-7 lots and lots of potential for fics and fanart, but it was too short for much substance';

'>>4190085
>>4190214
>>4190217
It's only been a little over half a day and I've already seen a lot of fanart of them';

'>>4190284
And you haven’t posted any of it? Shame on you anon';

'>>4189954
Kinda same for me, but at the same time, the Furina-Clervie parallels are making arlefuri stronger';

'>>4190312
I haven't been home to save any of it';

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'I'm pretty surprised by the amount of art they got in about half a day. There's still more out there but I don't want to spam the thread';

'>>4190361
You could post them in the old thread since it’s still up
If you have them downloaded anyway then please do post them there';

'>>4190357
I like this one. It's hard for me to get into shipping girls, but angsty adult stuff yes please.';

'>>4190315
I don’t see it personally.
>>4190369
I am of the exact opposite opinion. I like seeing them happy, and the pure childhood love only adds to that.';

'>>4190361
Just spam the thread';

'>>4189899
Kino. I'd sacrifice Furina to bring Clervie back';

'>>4190083
Is it true…?';

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'Arlefuri agegap is so rare it's basically non-existent. I get she's a girlfailure and everything, but she's still 500 years old';

'>>4190556';

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'>>4190566';

'>>4190564';

'Finally watched the music vidoe

I really REALLY like this scene where she made an effort to rest her head on Arlecchino's shoulder, like craving for a lover's embrace one last time...';

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'Really feeling the starvation as an Arlebina fan, but oh well.';

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'>>4188853
https://suno.com/song/3363987d-1f3c-483d-a33b-4d9720819a4b';

'>>4191515
Hope you're ready for Columbina to get a whole new backstory cooked up when she becomes the focus too.';

'>>4191860
of course it would be whole new...we dont know anything about her';

'>>4191902
yeah but I mean one that gives her barely any association with Arle';

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'Arle being the weird bug girl as a child fits so well';

'>>4192443
arlecchino's cute now that we've seen her as a normal shy dorky girl who liked bugs and had a crush
and then she grew up to be so sexy';

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'>>4192872
The shift is SO drastic though. Granted most of this shit was just fanon with only WInters Night and Childe/Scara lines being canon, but so much of her character has been framed as this cold killer with maybe a soft spot or two.

But it turns out she's like a super nice and loyal person with a sad childhood, lost love, and even her moniker of "Father" is due to her not wanting a repeat of the "Mother" who betrayed her and her peers. Oh and so far she's only killed bad people.';

'>>4193325
The woobification will continue until morale improves. It sucks how no characters are ever allowed to be actually morally questionable. I still think the best Arle era was when she was first introduced and people just had headcanon to work off.';

'This is so adorable. If the leaks about Signora reviving are true, I trust she will come back as a lesbian after being killed by the Yuri Archon. No heterosexuality can survive that';

'>>4193363
>The woobification will continue until morale improves. It sucks how no characters are ever allowed to be actually morally questionable.
Fucking hell. I was afraid of this. Hoyo really is trying to make her like Childe.

I really hope you're lying, sis. My faith in the game's writing is already hanging by a thread, pun not intended.';

'>>4193325
>>4193363
Arle is basically Pyro early fandom Rosaria. And the less we say about the evil Eula meme the better.';

'Do these two have a definitive ship name already?';

'>>4193363
>no characters are ever allowed to be actually morally questionable
That is exactly what being actually morally questionable is. Vaguely evil characters doing vaguely evil shit isn't questionable, it's just morally wrong.';

'There she is!';

'>>4193924
I dunno what you mean. Them previewing Arle for years as one of the dreaded harbingers only to now go yeah actually she's secretly got a heart of gold and only kills bad people is absolutely not letting morally questionable characters exist.';

'>>4194001
Can't wait for more Stelle/Firefly stuff in 2.2 and 2.3. Hopefully the new TB path actually goes with her as well as it sounds so they can always be together.';

'>>4194024
Killing people and being part of a pseudo terrorist organization but only targeting bad people and wanting to do good is exactly what makes an otherwise outright villainous character morally questionable. A dreaded leader in a pseudo terrorist organization that indiscriminately kills anyone who gets in her way is not a morally questionable character. You are describing a villain, there isn't any question.';

'>>4193920
Twitter uses Robinabi which I guess is ok since Robin's name is the same in Japanese...';

'>>4194139
>>4193924
You’re homing in on the literal definition, that’s not what people mean

When people ask for morally questionable characters to be playable, they really mean morally objectionable characters because the player character is generally on the side of good';

'>>4194158
>You’re homing in on the definition
>When people ask for morally questionable characters to be playable, they actually don't know what the fuck morally questionable means and are wildly misapplying the term
Yes, I am glad you understand my point.';

'>>4194139
Uh, what part of only going after bad people and wanting to do good is morally questionable again? That's basic good guy behavior. Moralistically Arle is on the same level as like Ei now - which is to say not at all total good guy. That's not questionable morality.';

'>>4194175
>Uh, what part of only going after bad people and wanting to do good is morally questionable again?
The part where you repeatedly circumvent the law to commit literal murder.';

'>>4194001
>>4194099
She has a break-based kit according to leaks so they’d probably work together.
I’d like to go for her eidolons but that’ll depend on Jade (most likely tomorrow’s drip) and the 2.4/5 characters.
For now I have my eyes on Jade because her kit is interesting and Feixiao because she sounds cool. Just need some yuri confirmation from leaks to see whether I’ll pull them or not.';

'>>4194178
NTA but while I do get your point, I feel like when most people complain about characters not being "morally questionable" it isn't about them not meeting the technical definition but more about them not going far enough.

It's a given that murder is wrong, but we all know nobody cares if the "morally questionable" character only kills evil NPCs. I'd like a morally questionable playable character that actually inspires mixed feelings from the audience, but I know this is a gacha game so that'll never happen.';

'>>4194220
>gacha
You say that, meanwhile Sparkle can be a royal bitch, but seems like she ultimately means well. (and is lonely)
And that's just one of many Honkais..

Gacha can definitely have pure evil but also morally questionable characters. Even in Hoyo games. Just not in Genshin.. apparently? I'm still stuck in the prison.';

'>>4194173
It can be used that way colloquially. You’re like someone who learned English from a book instead of someone actually immersed in a culture that speaks English.';

'It seems like Arle was meant to be a far darker and much more unhinged character but Hoyo got scared by the CN Scara shitshow (the cat killing one) and heavily toned down the evil in Arle.';

'>>4194629
Didn't they kill a cat because they thought Nahida "cheated on" the player with Scara? It wasn't because he was too edgy or evil';

'>>4194638
I'm sorry what?';

'>>4194638
It was about incels being mad about him being really popular among Chinese women.';

'Considering Ei is still regarded as a psychopathic tyrant by a bunch of retards and Miko is worse than Hitler for bullying the gay dog I don't think the fanbase could handle a truly evil female character. Interestingly, Inazuma also gave us a glimpse at the fucked up stuff Arle was supposed to be up to before they were like whoops that was the FORMER knave. Truly the nation where dreams go to die.';

'Any non-spoiler thoughts on her Story quest yet? Seems like her childhood friend makes an appearance too';

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'>>4194629
Yeah, to the point where her story makes more sense if she was actually trying to dismantle the Fatui from the inside.

Will that be revealed later? This is Hoyo we're talking about, so who the fuck knows.';

'I pulled Arlecchino in 10. I barely finished Sumeru so I know nothing about her other than she gets paired with Furina.';

'>>4195510
(picrel) I've gone well past my Beiguang phase and just want a Beidou skin without the eyepatch just to see what the fuck is the deal with her left eye is.';

'Do you have any recommendations for hoyoverse fics? Preferably long and with good plot/action/worldbuilding?';

'>>4195603
Modern day coffeeshop AUs?';

'>>4195605
Please no. Anything but that';

'>Clorinde gameplay is looking pretty sick
Nice

>>4195605
I'll take those. Any Clorinde/Navia?';

'>>4194934
As everyone predicted, she was sanitized. And half of it was the same as we saw in the video. But that aside, one of the last scenes was touching, and it could have been worse.';

'Lumine is too smol for Arlecchino';

'>>4195603
I'm sorry but none of them are good.';

'>>4195997
NyoChilde is definitely hot. I like when people draw yuri Chiscara, especially. NyoScara is the ideal design for me, so I like seeing her in yuri.';

'Good news
Navia has the most lines in Clorinde's story quest after Clorinde herself';

'These two are so hot together';

'>>4193837
>how no characters are ever allowed to be actually morally questionable
Star rail doesn't have that problem, so they can do it at some point.';

'>>4196217
Hi3 as well. It's mostly a genshin problem';

'>>4196026
That's hot. I imagine nyoChilde as sexually insatiable and perpetually in the mood for it in a bit of a childish way, much like she is canonically about battle. So if I think of nyoChiscara I imagine her fucking nyoScara with a strap but the friction against her pussy feels so good that she's messy and clumsy about it, just trying to get herself off asap by means of fucking nyoScara deep and fast and not caring enough about making her cum... On the one hand, sucks to have such a partner. But on the other hand, having an unhinged horny redhead moaning like a whore on top of you sounds pretty good.

>>4196217
Coincidentally, Childe and scara are the only ones who are morally not praiseworthy. Which is in part why nyoChiscara is sexy.';

'>>4196217
lol what? Which playable star rail character has killed innocents willingly?';

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'>>4196298
In genshin playable characters are hardly even allowed to kill shitty people.';

'>>4196308
Arlecchino killed a man in her teaser...
Sara killed multiple Watatsumi soldiers in that scene where Kokomi appears
Shenhe used to have a violent behavior, she must have killed a lot
Its stated that Rosaria killed a guy, in a Fischl's line
Tartaglia and Scaramouche... well';

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'>>4196329
>Shenhe used to have a violent behavior, she must have killed a lot
This one makes no sense since whatshisface found her when she was a kid, I doubt the Adepti just let her kill randoms';

'>>4196308
The KoF kill Abyss Order members at least';

'>>4196308
>>4196329
>>4196352
Outside of the archons, all of the Adeptus have killed people. They were in a war. The Raiden Puppet killed Kazuha's friend, Sara has killed, Gorou has, even Collei killed a few people.';

'>>4196360
Yeah but most of these are considered acceptable/self defense/not their fault, etc. Almost no playable characters, not even the one who have canonically killed, are morally questionable.';

'>>4195997
I wish they were better tagged so I didn't have to sift through a sea of hetshit and hilichurls just to find one pic of any combination between FemCyno, Femhaitham, Femnari, and Kafem.';

'>>4195749
Damn. There isn't a single fic any of you think is good?';

'>>4196394
I do but they're not very long.';

'>>4196399
Well, at this point I'll take short ones as well';

'>>4196389
Femhaitham domming Kafem does something for me, admittedly. I don't care about them otherwise.';

'>>4196424';

'>>4196329
That's not even the first dude Rosaria has killed. She offed her bandito father figure in her Vision story.';

'>>4196329
Beidou, Candace, Dehya, Eula and Jean must have absolutely stacked bodies. No way they haven't killed dudes to get where they are.';

'>>4196417
Give me a bit and I'll post a list';

'>>4196424
>>4196425
wtf I like haikaveh now';

'>>4196417
>>4195603
Dehyarzad
https://archiveofourown.org/works/47964496
https://archiveofourown.org/works/47697274
https://archiveofourown.org/works/45240391
https://archiveofourown.org/works/41581689
https://archiveofourown.org/works/41334135
https://archiveofourown.org/works/41366511

JeanLisa
https://archiveofourown.org/works/28206351/chapters/69118701
https://archiveofourown.org/works/32000623
https://archiveofourown.org/works/32019340
https://archiveofourown.org/works/34982857
https://archiveofourown.org/works/34930639
https://archiveofourown.org/works/34593475/chapters/86112592
https://archiveofourown.org/works/33236518
https://archiveofourown.org/works/30271896
https://archiveofourown.org/works/29698737
https://archiveofourown.org/works/29406684
https://archiveofourown.org/works/29334261
https://archiveofourown.org/works/29306583
https://archiveofourown.org/works/27720872/chapters/67848449
https://archiveofourown.org/works/28230582
https://archiveofourown.org/works/27483250
https://archiveofourown.org/works/31164899

Qingguang
https://archiveofourown.org/works/38430610
https://archiveofourown.org/works/33765070
https://archiveofourown.org/works/30681644/chapters/75705887
https://archiveofourown.org/works/30388845
https://archiveofourown.org/works/33701464/chapters/83760892
https://archiveofourown.org/works/43438302
https://archiveofourown.org/works/36956374
https://archiveofourown.org/works/36861319
https://archiveofourown.org/works/49079077
https://archiveofourown.org/works/36837154
https://archiveofourown.org/works/40071492/chapters/100356261
https://archiveofourown.org/works/41385180
https://archiveofourown.org/works/41437320


YaeSara
https://archiveofourown.org/works/39420849
https://archiveofourown.org/works/45185113
https://archiveofourown.org/works/45978280';

'>>4196470
Damn, that's a nice list. Thanks';

'>>4196475
No problem, happy to share. Other than JeanLisa which I absolutely love, I don't really like a lot of the big ships (EiMiko, Beiguang, Ganqing) so I can't help you with those.';

'>>4196470
>Qingguang
BASED';

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'>>4196298
Stellaron Hunters, they killed a bunch of people
Tingyun if she counts
Jinglliu went on a murderspree
Gallagher

Some others I can't remember right now. There are more characters who killed bad guys, like Seele just decapitating some vagrants in the underworld';

'Acheswan fans are eating well';

'>>4196767
What happened? I didn't watch the stream';

'https://twitter.com/i/status/1783585685653598547
Someone needs to add heavy breathing to this';

'>>4196683
>>4196683
Goat people are evil
TY obviously doesn’t count
JL was Mara struck
We don’t know Gallagher’s full story yet and exactly what he did';

'>>4196495
Absolutely

>https://archiveofourown.org/works/36837154
My personal favorite fic of these two to boot! Lord only knows how much I missed them and honestly Qingguang and Ganbei feel so much more natural and fitting to me.';

'>>4196335
They should've turned Shenhe into the wetwork specialist under the direct authority of the Qixing. Basically, the sledgehammer to Yelan's scalpel.';

'>>4197275
Oh yeah I love that fic, I included it on my list. It perfectly fits the dynamic I envision for them, with Ningguang being forward and flirty and Keqing being smitten but kind of awkward.
I really love Qingguang a lot.';

'Speaking of fanfics.
Do any of you bother reading the chinese ones that ao3 is filled with?
If so, what do you use to translate them? I've tried deepl and google but they both have trouble with character names.
I kinda want to see how they're like because I expect the chinks not to add shit like futa or tranny crap in their works.';

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'>>4197454
Chinks love omegaverse, so I wouldn't be so sure. Last chinese fic I read had one of the main characters marrying a dude so that it could be the "I fell in love with a married het woman" shit plot, and that's untagged. All in all they seem to be as terrible as spic fics';

'>>4197534
>>4197611
Im excited to see them interact';

'>>4197611
>>4197534
Gee, Stelle. How come your mom lets you have two girlfriends?';

'>>4189145
I don't play HI3, so I don't think I'm qualified enough to comment, but strictly speaking from a HSR perspective, I do remember there being a lot of BronSeele art back in the day. To me, I think the ship just faded into obscurity. There were new ships, and BronSeele is kinda old. But I do think people still make BronSeele art to this day.';

'>>4197624
Wait, what the fuck?
>>4197790
I still see a lot of the community respect them as the OG pairing';

'>>4195603
I've been reading some arlefuri lately and particularly enjoyed these two
https://archiveofourown.org/works/52512418/chapters/132841150
https://archiveofourown.org/series/3768028
They're a bit old and the lore is wrong, but I think they managed to develop the relationship well and have a plot to guide the romance';

'sex';

'Is it too much to ask for a 50k words bdsm fix about these two?';

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'>>4197299
My personal flavor is protective Keqing and possessive Ningguang with both being huge softies in private.';

'>>4189175
Mono Quantum means Mono Yuri! This also applies if you play Seele or Lynx instead of QQ and FX. Not just that, it especially applies if you play Seele and Lynx because this means that QQ and FX enjoy some "alone time" with each other.';

'>>4197934
I hope Jade some some ship...';

'>>4197938
She will end Sparkle's lesbian rampage of fucking every girl in Penacony and become her actual girlfriend.';

'>>4197938
There's at least a couple of artists drawing her with Topaz.';

'>>4197913
Best I can do is a casual 5k strapfic desu';

'>>4196995
I didn't just mean goat people from that one trailer, but whatever';

'>>4195616
did Clorinde ever tell Navia this is how her father get turned into dust?';

'>>4198043
Imagine dating the woman that vaporized your dad who taught you everything you know';

'>>4197929
I honestly can't tell if this is Bronseele or Acheswan...';

'>>4198047
Me either, and for a split second I thought the top one could be Acheron blanca. But this pic was posted with another Acheswan one, so it's probably that';

'>>4196052
Damn, this bitch be yappin'! She better have interesting things to say.

>>4198043
>>4198046
They off-screened their reconciliation, basically the writers told you to forget about it.';

'>>4194832
Weren't there rumours that Arle was gonna get killed off in the first Fontainer story draft? If so, looks like they were seriously considering making Arle really fucked in the head and in need of a good shanking at some point at least.';

'>>4198378
At this point rumors/leakers are less believable than UFO schizos';

'>>4193325
By experience, the fewer infos one has about a character, the more likely she ends up as the patron saint of toxic yuri.
And that's in an environment where 90% of fan-fiction start with one character deciding to become evil all of a sudden.';

'No one talk about Arlecchino's smoky makeup?';

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'Finished Arlecchino's story properly just now

The Bad: Not even a shred of the intimidating aura that was on display at Winter's Night Lazzo is left at this point. She is possibly the most open minded and thoughtful person in a position of power that (You) have met

The Good: Clervie was obviously the most important person in her life. From the way Arle's voice softens when farewell to how she declared to (You) that it's time to face a new day yet still gave one last look to where Clervie was standing (and their old home), this was made abundantly clear. Not to mention her entire philosophy of running the House was influenced by what Clervie wished for. I dont know how much steam this ship has given Clervie's probably permanently out of the story but I look forward to enjoy what content does get produced.';

'I don't feel like posting all of it but this whole comic from maiqo makes me feral';

'Also if you slow down the farewell scene, you can see Arle's eyes twitching just a little. Emotional? Holding back tears? It's a nice thought.';

'>>4198490
Link?';

'>>4198528
https://twitter.com/_maiqo/status/1783622486258573410';

'How come no one told me about himeko and Topaz heavy flirting?
https://twitter.com/LesbeCatgirls/status/1784598006165016605';

'>>4198535
>>4198528
>>4198490
If only they didn't draw so much futa garbage.
Even turnout to be a bad influence on negom.';

'>>4198543
it was posted when this live stream was actually new';

'>Arlecchino isn't a murderous psychopath
>She's ruined! Sterilized!';

'>>4198747
I mean...yeah kinda. She's just another good guy who tries her best now.';

'>>4198747
At least she isn't Arknights Talulah';

'>>4198748
she';s not just trying

shes going above and beyond to save people, ensuring the next head of the house is someone who cares about the children, and if we really wanna get melodramatic, knows she'll die fighting this battle some day and wants to see her dead girlfriend';

'>>4198747
I do agree that they deranged her, but I'll disagree on her being ruined. Even if she's doing it in a more caring way, she's still raising and training child soldiers';

'>>4198848
nothing wrong with that given the time/setting';

'>>4198848
Not to mention having no problem with beating her kids' asses and replacing child murder with a painful process that essentially results in a death of identity. She's definitely been declawed but she's not exactly soft-hearted in the way she carries out Clervie's will.';

'>>4198854
How is it not soft hearted. Real life spies face far worse fates than the Hearth children.';

'>>4198848 (me)
*defanged';

'There was some cosplay thing recently with an Arle and a bunch of Furinas that this was drawn based off of.';

'>>4198029
Yes please';

'>>4198826
I mean... cool, I guess?

I'm only speaking for myself here, but I just don't care anymore. I know this is /u/ and the yuri should take precedent, but if I don't care for the character in question, I don't give a fuck how many lilies are involved.

So wake me up when 4.7 drops and we can finally get some proper NaCl fuel.';

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'>>4198465
That's one bulky Jean! I always had a headcanon that the melee ladies are scared and muscled.';

'>>4198902
As they should be honestly. The idea they're these slim model types with perfect hair and clothes and skin is just goofy.';

'>>4198872
A gang of Furinas teaming up to try and dominate Arle';

'>>4198919
The reverse can be nice as well';

'Honkai Star Rail honestly confuses me. Stelle is March's girlfriend for example, but still fucks like half of the female cast.
I guess I need something like a list to keep track of things.
Who fucks whom exactly?
The game is fun, but I wish it was all girls like Honkai Impact.
I'm a huge whale and obviously never played with a single male character as intended. It's bad to let rolls go to waste for non-characters';

'>>4198748
You're just conflating with doing good things with being a good person. Arle has her own agenda, and she acts on it, regardless of the feelings of anything else. You look at her actions and think "good person", I look at her actions and see someone who's simply acting on their personal desires. If fulfilling her agenda meant murder was necessary, Arle would do so without a second thought. She killed mother, she killed that rich person, and she would've tried to murder Furina if she didn't realize that Furina did not have the Gnosis. You want a playable character that's a serial killing who does it "just because", and that's basic, bottom of the barrel writing.';

'She can't come soon enough.';

'I know this is a month old now but I've only just seen this lmao';

'>>4199158
Tell me about it, I'm suffering through the current story quest with aventurine, and its pure suffering
Penacony has been good only for firefly I swear';

'https://twitter.com/focafurina/status/1785119654534377745
Based on a screenshot';

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'>>4199208
>only for firefly
Black Swan and Acheron are kino, as a couple and individual characters, but they were underutilized as fuck, it's insane. Even Sparkle deserved more screentime than the sand twink';

'>>4199074
Which would be fine if it was properly built up. Have Lyney get defensive about Player Twin writing off the Fatui as a bunch of distrustful, nefarious bastards bent on world domination or whatever the fuck the Tsaritsa is hoping to accomplish.

"We know you're... not fond of the Fatui, but we're not all bad! 'Father'... well... her methods may be... ARE extreme, yes, b-but she actually cares for those in the House of the Hearth!" Something like that instead of Hoyo going "No, that was the last Knave. This one is actually super nice when you get to know her!" at seemingly the last second like >>4194832-oneesama said.

And then there's the Player Twins getting jobbed out for no reason. It's one thing to pull out your entire bag of tricks and it not work. Shounen anime have been getting away with that shit for literal decades. But to not use ANY of the advanced techniques they've learned over the past 3.5 years? It smacks of "powers as the plot demands" and Hoyo can fuck right off with that (especially since there's a commission chain in Inazuma that satirizes that trope).

Mush. 4.7, Natlan, fucking even Wuthering Waves can't come fast enough.';

'>>4199313
They did not go as far in the other direction as you want to believe they did with her. I'm sorry you wanted an outright villain as a playable character but that doesn't mean she's suddenly a goody two shoes character either.';

'>>4199325
Yes it does. Just wait, a few months from now we're gonna see cutesy hoyofair art with her hanging out with everyone else like an idol.';

'>>4199326
They've already done that that and they would do that even if she was as evil as you wanted her to be.';

'>>4198747
She didn't have to be a psycho who kills innocents for no reason, but all the people we saw her kill were scum, like the child trafficker, the thieves and the dude who stole money from charities. Like yeah a true good guy would probably not kill them, but this is still so convenient. From Childe and Scaradouche's voices I'd expect her to do worse things. Like kill innocent people because they witnessed something they shouldn't have and stuff like that.';

'>>4199329
>From Childe and Scaradouche's voices I'd expect her to do worse things
Why the fuck would you believe Scara's opinion of all people? Childe too, really.';

'>>4199325
She is a goody two shoe
You can’t seriously sit here and claim she’s bad because she put some orphan killer into the ground, how low is your standard';

'>>4199331
Because it would be scummy for hoyo to just outright lie like that. While of course their opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, in the end they were almost 100% irrelevant';

'The Arle discourse is good and all, but we should be giving Hoyo some real shit because they forgot Sandrone exists and with after all the Ordo shenanigans should get you questioning when the hell are they gonna add her to the story if not in her homeland?';

'>>4199359
Enjoy waiting till well after natlan.';

'Hoyo, I have never asked you for anything, just please give me some unhinged robinavi in 2.2';

'>>4199369
you and I might genuinely be the only robinabi fans
ik I'm exaggerating but there's so little art, Robin mostly gets drawn with Firefly in terms of yuri
personally I'd love if they explored the angle where Sparkle is a former idol';

'>>4199372
Genuinely weirds me out how few people ship it. Considering all the parallels, contrasts, and similarities between them, you'd think people would fall all over it
I'm tentatively working on a fic where Robin was a fan of Sparkle before Sparkle had a public mental breakdown and became the Sparkle we know today';

'>>4199380
>spoiler
that's a great premise, please share it here once you're done';

'>>4199339
>lie
It's not about it being a lie. Subverting expectation is a very common trope
In a vacuum, Arlecchino not being evil isnt an issue. It's within the context of the Genshin playable roster all being nice people that's the problem.
Whatever at least she got one more ship out of this ordeal...I wanna read some angsty fics of them being 16 and experiencing first love now';

'>>4199334
I don't claim she's bad but I also don't sit here and claim she's suddenly some pure goddess because she doesn't murder orphans in the streets. No seriously, what the actual fuck did you people want? She's still a morally gray character who raises child soldiers despite being a "good parent," she just isn't an evil psychopath like certain characters you probably shouldn't be trusting claimed. It sounds like some of you just wanted a morally black character which you were never going to get.';

'>>4199339
Arle literally says the things said about her are nothing more than rumors and misconceptions, but she doesn't bother to correct them. Because it's better if people think of her in a certain way. Mainly because, like I said before, all of the harbingers have their own agendas, and they very clearly aren't all buddy buddy with the others.

I genuinely think that the hooplah about Arle not being irredeemably evil comes from the misplaced idea that the Fatui, and in particular, the harbingers are meant to be the evil final boss-tier baddies. When the reality is, all of the harbingers just do the Cyro archons bidding in a mostly diplomatic fashion. Even Signora avoided full-on combat until she was forced to fight by Inazuma's law of the land';

'>>4199533
>I genuinely think that the hooplah about Arle not being irredeemably evil comes from the misplaced idea that the Fatui, and in particular, the harbingers are meant to be the evil final boss-tier
It comes from the idea that people want an evil woman, not whatever "lore misconception" you think people have.';

'will this ship be popular?';

'>>4199761
It already is (thankfully), relatively speaking';

'>>4199748
People only bitch this much if they didn't get something they assumed they were going to get. Were people crying about Navia? Chiori? No. And they wont whine about Clorinde not being evil either.';

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'>>4199827
I dunno why you're acting like Arle being evil is this big leap of logic. She was built up for like two years as an antagonistic figure, it's not a headcanon thing. Her being evil was like the default line of thought until MHY suddenly established her entire reputation so far was just inherited.';

'>>4199827
>Were people crying about Navia? Chiori? No. And they wont whine about Clorinde not being evil either.
The fuck? Please point out where any of those 3 were built up to be major antagonists with a violent and sadistic streak.

We'll wait.';

'>>4199827
This. By now people should stop assuming shit about characters until they actually release. How they haven't learned their lesson yet after Shenhe or Eula is beyond me';

'>>4199339
If you based what a character should be by the voiceline opinions of other characters you would get the implication that hutao is a malicious cunt, when really she's just mischievous with a strange sense of humour.
In other words, a stupid thing to do.';

'>>4199934
So are you seriously advocating for people to disregard all in-game lore and exposition until the character is actually made playable? Again, going just by what the game says you'd 100% think Arle was a villain until last month.';

'>>4199932
Yes, that was the point of the post you quoted';

'>>4199948
No, I'm saying to be cautious and not get your hopes up so you won't be disappointed when the character(s) turn out to be different from what you expected.';

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'>>4199948
Childe calls her insane and disloyally which makes sense since he thought she killed the previous knave just to take her seat. Scara thinks she's a hypocrite for acting dignified and elegant to manipulate people when she's capable of eviscerating anyone who actually get to see her bad side. None of that is even invalidated, people just saw two guys who don't like her call her crazy and assumed she'd be Teyvat's joker. And speaking of those two, they were both framed as villains and later revealed to be sympathetic so I'm not sure how people didn't expect the woman in charge of raising child soldiers to have sympathetic motivations as well if she was going to be playable since Genshin's been doing this shit since 1.1.';

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'>>4199982
Bless you sis. This is some good spice';

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'>>4199948
>So are you seriously advocating for people to disregard all of the assumptions people made.
Yes.';

'>>4200000
They're not assumptions if the game explains it, stop acting so obtuse. The game foreshadowed Arle as an antagonist. People then thought she was one. There's really no assumption involved.';

'>>4200005
You saw foreshadowing and expounded those out to fit a narrative about Arle while ignoring what didn't fit. You thought something based on the trickle of info, and you thought wrong.
Just because most of the available information pulls you to one conclusion doesn't mean its not an assumption. The game has also given out false information to form a narrative to make the player assume things that were not the case in the past.';

'>>4200053
Jebus, you are so weird

Why is it so hard for you to understand that there was an appetite for an evil-ish character due to the existing playable cast being overwhelmingly good and therefore there is an understandable amount of disappointment that one of the seemingly evil-ish character turned out to not just be good, but exceedingly kind and tragic?

At this point you dont even seem to care about the actual topic anymore, you just want to dunk some people's expectation while completely ignoring the context of the situation';

'>>4200061
I understand the appetite and appeal, though I don't hold it.
I just think it's dumb to be so up in arms about expectations and assumptions being dashed. Much like the 1st anniversary debacle where everyone was so up in arms because they expected to get all these rewards which had never been promised, getting mad because you expected one thing because of assumptions and getting another is stupid.
and you are correct, I don't care, I had no interest and still don't have any interest in Arle both character and yuri potential wise, she's far too edgy and I prefer cute and wholesome ships of dorks in love
on the note of wanting evil characters, I don't see Arle being a very compelling villain in the first place, as all the content we had seen up until recently gave no motivation as to why she acts the way she does. Characters that do evil simply because they are evil are boring.';

'>>4200053
Again, why are you pretending like the signals were ambiguous? Everything the game said and hinted at supported one conclusion: Arle is an antagonistic figure. It's not like the lore was uncertain and people just zeroed in on the villain parts, there was no cherrypicking involved whatsoever. Blaming the players for thinking the lore would be accurate and not MHY for creating lore last month that goes contrary to everything they established about her is insane.';

'>>4200061
>good
>exceedingly kind
NTA but she's still fairly self-serving even when she's seemingly being gracious and I find having /u/ motivations for not wanting to kill kids who want out of the inherently morally dubious military grooming program she runs to be kind of awesome honestly but to each their own. But on the topic of expectations, I went back to the fortune slip quest which spawned a shitload of formative speculation about her and they literally say that the Fatui dude poisoning the soil for the Knave is actually "pursu[ing] the previous Knave's directives" after fucking off when Arle took over so I'm still not sure how the hell anyone didn't expect her to get dindu'd. I'm sorry she's not the cartoon villain you wanted but there are always AUs and fanart for that.';

'>>4200092
For one, the game and the devs have a history of being vague and lose with the details only to pull the rug by introducing last minute lore. And two, they have turned seemingly evil characters into "goodies" twice before.
Insanity seeing the same thing and expecting different results and all that.';

'>>4200093
Her (known) goals are literally caring for the children, ensuring the her (and Clervie)'s legacy is protected by training Lyney to be the next Hearth leader and whatever vague aim the Cryo Archon has. These are comically noble goals and calling her "self serving" for wanting to achieve these is just completely out of touch and once again ignoring the context';

'>>4200119
Her goals are self serving by definition, and it's not like she goes about achieving them by being goody two shoes anyway. Anyhow, you just want a playable serial killer that's a serial killer for no other reason than just because. You blindly believed in a Fatui trailer and Childe/Scara voicelines, both of which said a whole bunch of nothing, all because it suited your agenda of wanting a psychopath killer. (Like really, Scara is a pretentious asshole that doesn't like anyone, and you really took his word for it)';

'>>4200132
I don't know why you are bothering to argue with them, they are just going to say "no she's a goodie two shoes" and "you are ignoring the context" as a cop out.';

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'>>4200132
You seem to have no actual stake in this conversation besides desperately wanting to push this “You shouldn’t have wanted X” idea, like it’s somehow a crime to be interested in something different
This has gone from a simple disagreement on the direction of her character to a full showcase of online autism';

'>>4200143
The Irony';

'>>4200088
I have no stake in this slapfoght other than this
>the 1st anniversary debacle where everyone was so up in arms because they expected to get all these rewards which had never been promised
C'mon sis, take the boot out of your mouth for a second';

'>>4200204
It was retarded then and is retarded now.';

'>>4198535
Why don't they ship Kiamei?';

'>>4200471
Because he’s a retarded futafag genshin tourist that ended up latching onto the crackship that is Mei x Hua. Then Elysia happened and he continued with her.
I don’t know what it is with secondaries almost unanimously liking Kiana less. Might just be due to the huge influx that happened due to Elysia and being able to play ER’s story about her and Mei without having to touch the main story.';

'>>4200204
I don't think you actually have anything to say on any of this besides trying to convince people to never expect anything, which is both futile and arrogant.';

'>>4200499
No. That's what the anon I was replying to said';

'>>4200088
Is Monafischl still kinda-sorta popular? It's probably just my fandom circles but I don't really art for them anymore.';

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'>>4200484
Hehe, I actually like futa honestly. But, it doesn't help that the artist has such a good art style and it hot completely wasted on crackships. I like the acheswan one a lot.';

'>>4200133
I never got the hype for Arle anyway. Or any other Harbinger when Capitano exists.';

'>>4201206
Personally I don't get the hype for Capitano. Columbina is still the Harbinger I'm most curious about.';

'>>4201213
Same
The lore about seelies (especially volume 3 of the in-game book, A Drunkard's Tale) makes me wonder if she's not one of the remaining seelies';

'>>4199208
God, the Aventurine storyline. I couldn't physically care less about this character in my cute girl game and even though the event linked to it ends tomorrow, I just can't play this. And Hanabi's companion quest was so shallow, such a shame.';

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'>>4201218
I liked the idea that Black Swan and Sparkle shared a companion quest, and that it was entirely from Swan's POV. But the actual content was meh';

'>>4201213
inb4 it turns out columbina is just a lonely girl trying her best and not actually antagonistic';

'>>4201295
Sparkle was heavily underused in general. She could have been Black Swan's girlfriend, but then they went with Acheron instead. It works great, don't get me wrong, but now Sparkle is just kind of there. Just like Silver Wolf if you think about it, she's also just kind of there while Kafka gets both Stelle and Himeko. It's quite ironic to think that both of them are vital parts of Mono Quantum - and the other half of that party are QQ and Fu Xuan, a canonical couple.';

'>>4201314
>Kafka gets both Stelle and Himeko
Kafka and himeko said at most 10 words to each other';

'>>4201331
But himeko was a guest in Kafka's introductory video';