'>>10856634
If you want to pirate the game and then make your own physical copy; based.';

'>>10856634
>collecting physical games via piracy
Are you talking about intercepting ships transporting video games and taking their cargo?';

'Why would I care? Why do you?';

'>>10856663
Is that your official answer?';

'What would you think if you went to a person's house and they had a wall of 100% repro'd cartridges and boxes set up on display?';

'>>10856674
Pretty sad really.
Hard to see the point.';

'>>10856701
>Hard to see the point.
Don't be facetious. You can see the point very well. What is your issue with it?';

'>>10856634
I'm not into it too much, but at the same time I plan on burning some games to discs once I get a Dreamcast.';

'>>10856712
Are you retarded? It's as if you asked "what is the difference between having your walls plastered with reproductions of Rembrandt and having the original paintings themselves?".
Sure, I guess if you're retarded enough, there's no real difference.';

'>>10856634
I prefer collecting physical game consoles via piracy';

'>>10856904
I didn't even know this was a thing.';

'>>10856634
about the dumbest thing i've heard in a while, needed a good laugh, thx OP.
you'd need a plastic shell mold, a custom PCB, EEPROM chips, a ROM burner, and a ton of experience and know-how to do such a thing. furthermore, if you're talking about MegamanX 2/3 with the custom Cx4 chip, or any custom chip, just absolutely fucking forget it.
at this point, why not just buy the fuckin game? better yet, if you insist on original / physical hardware (which i do when possible) just get a goddamn flashcart or ODE?';

'>>10856634
I think it's great - if they can get the ink/print/plastic smell down, maybe even include the cardstock box and manuals, etc. I'd buy - like a second production run of classics. Why wouldn't that be nice? Because it didn't come out of a particular Asian factory under official agreement from the rights holder sometime in the 1990s?';

'>>10856903
In both examples it is identical unless you're inspecting it up close as an expert for archival reasons. Idiot.';

'>>10856674
I'd be baffled at the choice to have the worst of both worlds. You deny the low price point of just downloading a ROM, the convenience of flash carts/ODEs, and the value of having a legit copy.
I can understand repros for a couple of things that didn't actually release, like fan translations, or unreleased games, but once you have ~5 of the things you might as well have just bought a flash cart.';

'>>10856634
I don’t have this problem, but there are some people out there that feel like they need to spend money on something and be able to hold it to enjoy it. I guess if this keeps them from being financially irresponsible by otherwise buying overpriced used games they could emulate/flashcart/ode otherwise then I don’t see why not.
>>10856903
Some people might actually enjoy the art itself and not just the bragging rights of having an original. Why put photos of your family in your living room when you could just tie your parents to chairs and force them to be in your living room?';

'>>10856903
Not an equivalent example.
The functionality of the repros is 100% identical to the originals. This is not possible with painting reproductions.';

'>>10856910
So many words yet knows absolutely nothing about the actual state of the market of these things.
Pro tip: you don't have to make the repros yourself.';

'>>10856994
They still have the wall of boxes to look at. They still have the manuals. They still have the cart to take off the shelf and put in the console.';

'>>10856634
Bro, just download and emulator or get a Mister or flash cart. Having a physical library is cool but making a bunch of repros is just sad and retarded and the fact that you feel the need to hold them in your hand is a sign that you're probably suffering from some form of mental illness.';

'>>10857083
>>10857082
>>10857081
>Each almost exactly 1 minute apart
Lmao you don't have to come here to justify you spending money on bootlegs';

'>>10856712
Filling your shelves with real, boxed SNES games, that's fine- it's nice to collect things. I do it myself.

Filling your shelves with repo cartridges is just an embarrassing waste of space. If you're so averse to getting real games, just get a flashcart like >>10856910
says.';

'>>10857083
if they aren't the originals then the only value they have is the material that they're printed on.

>>10856994
With some corner cases, there's a reason to get them, usually with connectivity to other games. IIRC most Game Boy flashcarts aren't compatible with the Transfer Pak, but the batteries in the Gen II Pokemon game tend to only have a shelf life of 4-6 years, so a good reproduction cart is the way to go with those, since modern reproduction carts can save to a flash chip and also have sockets to more easily replace the battery. There's a similar argument for the Gen I pokemon games if you want Stadium connectivity as well, because a flash chip is just a better option than an original cart due to the battery.';

'>>10857092
Yeah, I replied to three different posts.
You know mass quoting is poor board etiquette, right?';

'>>10857090
>You must spend the things I tell you to spend on!!

Yeah no, not from freak schizo from /vr/ I'd take some better advice from an actual doctor(who will tell me otherwise),

Thanks for the moral lesson.';

'>>10857096
When was value brought into this?
I see no prior mention of the concept so far in this thread.
Are you bringing it into this?

Does a having a shelf of nice boxes, manuals, and carts not have value?';

'>>10857107
>Does a having a shelf of nice boxes, manuals, and carts not have value?
Not if they aren't original. If they're not original they might as well be crayon drawings my kid made, at least then I'd have some actual attachment to it.';

'>>10857110
Why do you believe this?
Even if the reproductions were printed on high quality cardstock and glossy paper using high DPI source files?

It seems to me that the object isn't actually as important to you as much as the provenance of it.';

'>>10857115
Correct. The object has no value outside of the use it has. A paper box that is not original has no use. If it were damaged I could just get another one, possibly at an even better quality, for almost no cost. If a legitimate game box was damaged or destroyed, that actually reduces the value I could get for the game.';

'>>10856910
Just embarrassing';

'>>10857096
>With some corner cases, there's a reason to get them, usually with connectivity to other games.
True, but even then there's a lot of gotchas with that. For example, with the Gen 3 pokemon games, some bootlegs are able to transfer up, but some can't (Have seen some people also complain about their repro RBYGSC carts not connecting to stadium). And it's a crapshoot if you're going to get a """quality""" bootleg or not lol. It just becomes an issue of looking into your specific case, and whether people have had trouble with it.
And if anything doesn't work, just file a complaint on ebay because they have absolutely no defense since they're selling bootlegs lmao.';

'>>10857117
>The object has no value outside of the use it has
What superior use does the original box have over the reproduction version?

>If a legitimate game box was damaged or destroyed, that actually reduces the value I could get for the game.
So to you the only value is in the inherent collector-value and rareness of the box?

Not of what the box was originally intended for: storage of a video game cartridge + booklets + showcasing the box artwork?';

'>>10857123
The best way to do repros is to get the blank carts and a flasher and do it yourself, IMO. It's incredibly easy (just like hooking up a USB reader/writer and moving files to an SD card) and you know you're not getting ripped off.

>>10857126
stop replying if you don't even understand what value means';

'>>10857117
What if I don't care how much my games are worth and just want something nice on my shelf?
Is that 4chan's favorite word?';

'>>10857127
>stop replying if you don't even understand what value means
Anon, please don't do this.';

'>>10857127
Value refers to more than just money, esl-chan.';

'>>10857137
and yet it's clear from the post what value i was talking about, illiterate-kun';

'>>10857142
Were you tho?
>value outside of the use it has
Shall we shitpost about this for the next hour?';

'>>10857145
you can carry on being a dumb fuck, but i'm not the retard who couldn't pick up what a word meant, so i'm out, later faggot';

'>>10857152
Never really answered the questions tho.';

'>>10856634
I'd have to look into the expected lifespan of the bootleg cartridges. My hunch is they will be nearly exactly the same since I've never heard of glob-top PCB carts dying earlier than other types of PCBs and that would be something I think there would be a lot of shitposting about if it was a thing.';

'>>10857170
The custom made to order repros won't use a glob top.';

'>>10856634
Its the same thing really just it happens to be manufactured somewhere else. I've found pretty much all my MVS games I've got have had their chips messed around with, I don't care they still work fine.

>>10857170
Heres the redpil. Mask roms the data is physically etched into the chip. New repros mostly use flash memory where the bits are just stored with static electricity, over time this charge can disapate but there are flash chip in pc's that 30 years old and still working but I've also seen ones that need to be over written again. I think the best solution would be to have a backup in the rom in case one fails so they can refresh each other.';

'>>10857293
>New repros mostly use flash memory where the bits are just stored with static electricity,
Would this be refreshed by plugging the cartridge into the system every few years? Similar to the way USB flash drives work?

Are PS1 memory cards an analogous example of lifespan?';

'>>10856634
I started my collection thanks to piracy. I saw something years ago about converting old super nes games to other games so I got a bunch of madden games for like $0.50 each, made a new chip and used a hotnair machine to swap them out. Then I printed some stickers and replaced them. Sold the carts at a flea market for $10-$30 each for a few months. Used that money to buy original games. This was probably like 2009, so if you bought a copy of a scooby doo game for like $10 from a guy with a light blue milk crate that was me lol. If you paid $20 because I told you it was my favorite game as a kid then lol.';

'Bootleg Famicom carts and Famiclones are pretty ludo desu';

'>>10856634
I have made some high quality repros of disc based games by printing out the jewel case inserts and booklets on high quality paper. Then burned the discs using light scribe.
When it was all done and I was holding it in my hands I got the same kind of dopamine rush you get when you open a new game.
My friend who came over and picked it up off the shelf was also saying the same thing. Once it's a high quality tangible object you start to care about it more even if it's not an original. Especially since it did cost a non-trivial amount of time and money to make (about five dollars).';

'>>10858534
Did you tell the buyers they were bootlegs?';

'I hate emulating video games. Hate it. I had a bad experience with it once. I played a video game via emulation and wasn't saving, I was hours and hours into the game, and it suddenly froze. None of the buttons worked anymore. I had to turn off the game. I've hated emulation ever since.

If you have a physical copy of a game, you can prevent game glitches and freezing. Use isopropyl alcohol and Q-tips to clean the contacts, and make sure the contacts are secure in the system. So when you're stepping around the TV it doesn't shake the floor and system and cause the game to freeze. Using these tactics I never have game glitches or game freezes anymore.

I enjoy having physical copies of the games and playing on authentic hardware. That's what works for me.';

'>>10858623
tard';

'>>10858641

Excuse me? That was rude and uncalled for. I consider you uncouth, sir, and I spit at your feet.

PUH. PUH.';

'>>10856634
You can just collect (download) all the games and put them onto an everdrive';

'>>10858670
It's nice to have collection if you have people around who might want to pull a game off the shelf and play it.';

'>>10858602
They weren't really bootlegs, it's not like I used a knock off board or case.';

'>>10858680
would never invite hipster fucks to my house, my cousins consoles would always boot on weird flashcarts or homebrews interfaces.';

'>>10858683
You used bootleg chips and labels.';

'"Collecting" repros is incredibly embarrassing. Repros have no purpose when flashcarts exist.
It's just such a pathetic case of consumerism. A repro isn't worth more than the ROM, and ROMs are free. You pay money for something worthless so you can pretend to own the real thing. Stop burning money on this garbage.';

'>Collecting video consoles
>Piracy it entire catalog';

'>>10859375
>Repros have no purpose when flashcarts exist.
You can lend someone a repro, or give it as a gift.
Repros are more child-friendly.';

'>>10858602
Like the carts, the buyers only exist in anons imagination, so "they" sort of "knew" anyway.';

'>>10859346
It's the same data and picture';

'>>10859573
>Repros are more child-friendly.
Might explain why some may children here are obsessed with them.';

'>>10860498
>some may';

'>>10856634
Flashcarts and ODE's give you the best of both worlds. Being able to play Chrono Trigger and Earthbound on a real SNES the way God intended without paying some eBay chucklefuck an arm and a leg for a copy is the most sensible way to play retro games.';

'>>10860642
What if I enjoy having the boxes and manuals on a shelf? Should I have a bunch of empty boxes on display?';

'>>10860720
Then be financially irresponsible and buy the games anyways. It’s your hobby, do you. His solution is still a good one though if you’re more interested in playing games than surrounding yourself with nostalgia that won’t actually bring your childhood back.';

'>>10860746
Why should I buy the games if I only want the boxes to look at?';

'>>10856634
my brother got some for N64, because there's not enough games he likes to make a flash cart the cheaper option. The plastic is measurably lighter, both in the hand and on a scale.';

'>>10857094
Nothing is more aesthetic than boxed SNES games. Prove me wrong.';

'>>10856674
There's maybe 1% of SNES collectors who actually give a shit about having the original box';

'>>10861565
What *do* they care about?';

'>>10856712
Honest question, I agree with him. What is the point of displaying a bunch of fake carts?';

'>>10856634
That's what I do. I make my own bootlegs using Lightscribe. Unfortunately only DVDs are still cheap enough for this purpose for me.';

'>>10862753
What does a display of real carts do that a display of reproduction carts doesn't?';

'>>10863104
Authentic cart plastic and labels are better quality.';

'>>10863117
So collectors spend thousands of dollars for slightly sharper text and slightly more durable plastic?';

'>>10863085
>using the box art instead of the disc art
...based?';

'>>10857152
dumb anime poster.';

'>>10863142
1. Not every game costs thousands of dollars.
2. Some do.
3. Some others just do it to resell at a higher price later on and this can only work well with authentic copies because their amount on the market is limited while chinks can and will always make more bootlegs.
4. Some have been indoctrinated to obey the modern tyrannical copyright laws to such an extent that they don't even consider if them purchasing a used copy gives any more money to the developers than buying a bootleg.
5. Some people are a mix of the above.';

'>>10856634
I think it is a fine idea to accumulate reproductions.
I think it is a poor idea to collect reproductions.
There is an important distinction between these two terms.
A person who has accumulated a number of repros by having the desire to play through a game via a single cartridge or disc on original hardware is a noble effort. If this becomes a habit they may accumulate a small number of these games which serve as mementos of their experience with the game. I believe such tokens (souvenirs) are an important aspect of the human experience which playing via pure digital files is overlooking.
In contrast, intentionally buying a large number of reproductions with no intention of playing them, but simply to fill out a display shelf in emulation of collectors of original releases seems mentally questionable. The idea of collecting more games than you will ever have time to play is itself illogical. That reproductions are cheaper and easier to access doesn't change this. You still have a wall of cardboard boxes that ought not to have such a place of priority in your life. Perhaps focus your attentions elsewhere?';

'>>10856901
I had a crazy idea of buying black CDs and screen printing them to make custom PS1 games';

'>>10863437
What you're looking for is color thermal printing.';

'>>10856634
It makes sense if you have a pirated box, because then you could claim you have it for the artwork like a repro'd Mona Lisa.';

'>>10863850
Actually I was looking for a tard who doesn't know what he's talking about. And would you believe it. The very next post one shows up.';

'>>10856634
I think I am sick of seeing some variation of this thread every 12 hours';

'>>10863873
eat shit';

'>>10863873
>Actually I was looking for a tard who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Why would you do that? That's a pretty stupid thing to pursue.';

'>>10856658
But Dolan, this isn't even how piracy works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3TKyExjMEc
Uncle Dolan - Software Piracy';

'>>10863912
Not at all. It's all about managing expectations. Tards who don't know what they're talking about are the most common thing to find on /vr/. So if you expect them you'll never be disappointed.
It's like if you go to Good Will expecting to find Stadium Events for a buck you're gonna be disappointed. If you go there expecting to find a few shovelware games for $25 each you might end up being pleasantly surprised.
But I think your main problem is with the meaning of words, and how you conflate "looking for" with "pursue". When I go to the fridge to look for some leftovers I'm not "perusing" anything. Maybe you chase your fridge around the house and attack it like a starved beast when you get hungry, but I just open the door and casually browse.';

'>>10857096
>that ancient work with only one surviving copy is worthless because it's not the original';

'>>10856634
i prefer video games collecting physical games via piracy';

'>>10865613
imagine if nintendo actually did something like this
I guess Sega kinda did, but they could keep taking the idea further and Nintendo has access to more roms via NSO';

'>>10865404
tl:dr + nobody asked';