'OP when I tell him I want to hide his thread to create a perfect catalog with no garbage';

'>>3432378
because they based';

'>>3432378
No suffering? That's just death. They're stopping you because you want to end all life.';

'Cristian Heaven is like communism for them.';

'What's wrong with being like that?';

'>>3432378
because they're based and you're a retarded fag';

'>>3432378
Because muh potential';

'>>3435048
This';

'>>3432378
Normie morality. Derived from trusting what some authority says rather than thinking logically';

'>>3432378
Because they worship the demiurge';

'>>3436041
Demiugre is often the final boss though';

'>>3432405
FPBP OP BTFO /THREAD';

'>>3432378
Without suffering, we do not grow. We just consume and stagnate. Suffering is essential to living.';

'>>3438608
>Without suffering, we do not grow
What a happy little dream world you must live if you think people grow from suffering instead of just get more bitter and jaded.';

'Alright, before starting to complain, hear out what method will they be using to achive world peace.
It will usually be:
>Killing everyone
>Enslaving everyone
>Being a dick to everyone
>Stealing from everyone
>Rape everyone';

'>>3438629
but don't we grow to stop suffering or minimize it?
Like in p5r, when Maruki wants to make everyone not have to suffer for happiness, while the phantom thieves want to stop him because they believe that people have to suffer and go though pain in order to improve. We improve to minimize suffering, yet for some reason, its wrong to totally stop suffering entirely.';

'>>3432378
Google 'Siddhartha Gautama'
should clear a few things up.';

'>>3438635
Wrong.
Why does a bird play games near the water? Seeing how close it can get to the water in a full dive before pulling out.
Some will fall into the water, and die ingloriously.
Ingloriously...or is it just the opposite?
Similarly, to destroy all life is a beautiful goal.';

'>>3438641
Stasis is the opposite of this, an eternal living death.
It is still water, fermenting with countless insects and that sickness of "unlife"
Many live today with the erroneous, earnest belief that "more life = more good"
But all Golden Ages came after great swathes of intentional murder.';

'>>3438608
Why would you need to grow in a world with no suffering?';

'>>3438633
Finished Soul Hackers 2.

Final boss plan to end world suffering was to
>hack into everyones soul ("what are we some kind of Soulicide Squad?") and remove the ability for them to start conflict with each other

The counter of the protagonists was "well that'll make everyone act the same and would be BORING".';

'>>3438647
Yes, grey-goo life is boring, lifeless, worthless, and a stepping stool.
The filth of it causes great contempt in The Great Destroyer. He kills them all and so begins another Golden Age.';

'>>3438653
Funny enough, the game does have a God that cyclically comes to wipe everything out. Its summoned through conflict, when someone collects enough of the McGuffins to earn the right to destroy the world and rebirth it anew.

The protagonists stop that from occuring but are left with the fact that this will happen again.
The antagonist decides to fundamentally change humanity to stop the cycle, rather than just summon the God as everyone else did.';

'>>3438662
Yes, Atlus has been playing with Nietzsche for a long time, P5 was also similar.';

'>>3438653
>hurrrr well it's boring!
Tell that to the starving kids in Africa
>Oh sure you could be living a normal boring life but no that would be boring have fun starving dumbfuck';

'>>3438647
Imagine if Dark Brandon told you that you had to get a mandatory Elon Musk brain chip because it will remove your ability to feel aggression.';

'>>3438668
Africa's population has been booming for decades anon.';

'>>3438596
That doesn't matter when you accept its world and laws.';

'>>3438669
This was a case of ChatGPT going rogue, figuring out a way to do it instantly, to everyone, using the 5G towers, if we were trying to make it analogous.

And it was stopped by a V-tuber, a male and female simp, and a fed.';

'>>3438676
The fact remains: Violence is the greatest pleasure on Earth. Hence the great prevalence of games being based on combat.
Most men these days have never been in a physical altercation, so they perhaps do not know this. But there is no feeling as good as dismantling someone and indeed having the power to end their life in the moment if you wish to.
It is quite simple and sublimation is sublimation, ie. not enough and always degenerative. The rabbit does not go into the hat, the rabbit degrades and turns into a flopping fish out of water.';

'>>3438678
This nigga is a jrpg villain';

'>>3438678
We're gonna need some fluoride for this one, stat';

'>>3438683
To be fair, he sounds like the "dick Emperor of the invading country in Act 1-3 who was actually kind of justified" rather than the nigga you fight at the end (first form).';

'but what are good jrpg villains? i kinda prefer a post apocolyptic setting or something like that so most of my villains are most for resources.';

'>>3438635
>but don't we grow to stop suffering or minimize it?
Yes. It is supposed to be a never-ending struggle.';

'>>3438882
I do not suffer already. The fact that others suffer is somewhat amusing at times. At other times it is annoying.
At some point, age will make anyone suffer, but the glorious organism will never experience this.
No, it is not "supposed" to be anything. All this will be swept away as it is already dead. A Great Man will create some other structure in his vision, and then some specimens will be made well from the new "supposed"s until that structure degrades too.
Supposing at this point...how dire.';

'>>3432378
When did Goku say this?';

'>the villain is a bunch of AI manipulating and controlling the people to prevent them from knowing the truth that the world will end in a year
>all the corruption was caused because of the AI bugging out and accidentally thinking they're real
>the government has left the earth a long long time ago.
whoa kino';

'>>3438678
>The fact remains: Violence is the greatest pleasure on Earth
It's a nice feeling but it's hardly "the greatest pleasure on Earth". The fact that you deem feelings so important shows that you are low value, low quality man.';

'>>3439185
>Alexander wept';

'>>3439292
?';

'>villain is completely in the right
>game has to completely force evil traits to the villain so you don't side with him
seriously? what's with western writers being too pussy to tackle grey morality.';

'>>3438608
>stagnate
sounds good';

'>>3432378
Why don't Jarpiggies ever use guns aside from persona or wild arms? Are they really that cucked that they can't even use firearms in works of pure fiction?';

'>>3439405
because you're a fucking retard with no knowledge of video games.';

'>>3432378
Because their plan basically always involves massive enslavement or death or similar, OP.';

'>>3439405
There is shitton of modern jrpgs even old jrpgs with guns, what the fuck are you talking about?';

'>>3438638
I'm not reading the whole Wikipedia page about Buddha';

'>>3438653
>Yes, grey-goo life is boring, lifeless, worthless
I'm perfectly content with my stagnant and realtively boring life.';

'>>3432378
There's nothing hard to understand about it. Simple fact is, all pleasure comes at the expense of something. So the question "What can we do about death, misfortune, etc.?" A hypocritical question, since all your happiness has come from the unhappiness of others. You don't really care about what can be done about "death", "misfortune", etc., but only about YOUR death, YOUR misfortune, etc.; and whatever can indeed be done about them necessarily results in the increase of the death and the misfortune of countless others. So the answer to that question is "Go screw yourself you hypocritical subhuman scum".';

'>>3438608
>anon lives in a desert and worships thirst';

'>>3432378
Because videogames and media are subliminal brainwashing to turn you into an anti christ that hates christianity and judging by most of you autist on 4chan i'd say it was very effective';

'>>3439185
Sex is the greatest pleasure on this earth, That's why so many games have coombait';

'>>3442591
>A hypocritical question, since all your happiness has come from the unhappiness of others.
Least misanthropic 4channeler';

'>>3439420
Nah sometimes it's just rewiring humanity to not be fucking assholes
>noo you can't do that humans are supposed to be evil';

'>>3438647
Conflict is how ideas are challenged and spread. Because we challenge each other's worldview and position we as a specie become better, more complete.

Removing our ability to start conflict is just slower form of genocide. In case of any issue instead of challenging our position to figure out the best way to deal with it, we just gonna blindly agree to literally first proposed answer because why not? There cannot be conflict after all and we all must agree.

World peace is suffering.';

'>>3432378
Slave morality';

'>>3439385
Sounds more like Persona 4';

'>>3445599
Christians literally believe they will go to a perfect world with no suffering when they die';

'>>3446477';

'>>3446480
>no response';

'>>3446477
>t. animist mongoloid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_science';

'>>3446526
what are you talking about you retard';

'>>3432378
Imagine a world without death. It would mean that instead of 100 thousands years of progess humanity has gone through the very first humans would still be alive, and they would have a lot less reason to have kids. Meaning new generations will be very rare.
Humanity would never have evolved passed hunter/gatherer society that way. We need suffering and death to grow as a species.';

'>>3446569
>m-muh grow!!!!
So fucking what retard? those Neanderthals would be having a better time than your average wageslave';

'>>3446569
wtf i hate death now';

'>>3438608
>We just consume and stagnate
And why is that le bad?';

'>>3446569
>we need death so we can spend twice as much time doing far less enjoyable work than our ancestors';

'>>3446569
>humans will just sit around doing nothing and never have sex if they didn't die
Dumb, both sex and dissatisfaction are biological processes, and hey, under this farcical hypothetical framework, since no one can die we can just skip over swords and go straight to ploughshares, big win.';

'>>3444965
That's slavery you simpering moron.';

'>>3433946
>That's just death. They're stopping you because you want to end all life.
this pretty much happens all the time in JRPG plots. Antag talks shit about utopia. turns out he/it just wants to kill at least 66.666 percent of world or some Alien Gods horror shit.

only time the antag is kinda goody is when they're a warmongering emperor playing out the trope of "war is peace".';

'>>3446526
>be born to christian family
>your parents baptize you as an infant
>never leave church since there is no reason too
>retard thinks that christianity had anything to with you winning a noble price
>it‘s actually the secular education that became common in the west after the church lost most of it’s influence
Yeah';

'>3448067
Insipid bait from an insipid sodomite.
>>>/reddit/';

'>>3446469
again the IT wasn't like "YOUR WRONG YOUR WRONG YOUR WRONG" but more "holy shit stop it you fucking maniac."';

'>>3447756
It really isn't, you can call it lobotomy but slavery is not';

'>>3432378
They are anti-Christianity';

'>>3432378
Goku is the exact opposite of this though. He even tries to stay away from Earth at one point to prevent conflicts arising. The Future Trunks arc was about a guy wanting to prevent suffering before it happens, and though he fails- He was deemed morally correct and heroic for trying. The dragon balls, consistently, are used to mitigate and out-right undo consequences that could make anyone feel bad. If Goku could hit a button that makes the universe free of villainy, where combat just becomes a fun hobby people do at tournaments, he would in an instant. Anime heroes and JRPG heroes, the latter often being pretentious and attempts at explaining 'no the world sucking is a good thing', aren't the same breed.';

'>>3454843
Based Goku';

'>>3432378
Because its an asinine fucking notion is why.

Literal child level understanding of the world. You would have to remove entire sections of existence as we know it, for the simple reason you dislike bad feels or some shit.

Every single wolf now eats lettuce? Ants no longer fight other ants. Entire ecosystem is rendered impossible.

Essentially, removing all suffering destroys the world, and ultimately it would also destroy the meaning of pleasure, virtue, God, resilience, growth etc etc, utterly stunting any sort of further understanding/evolution possible.

Just thinking about it makes me want to cave your head in with a jrpg shovel anon';

'>>3432378
Because JRPGs are poorly written trash for people with bad taste.';

'>>3433946
I never play jrpg's so the only one I know that this applies to is FFX. Is it really that common?';

'>>3457636
>utterly stunting any sort of further understanding/evolution possible.

"Indeed humanity is weak and suffering is growth so I an going to force it to evolve"

Status quo loving teenagers-"You cant do that either, thats too le mean"';

'>>3457683
Your mistake for invoking might makes right via evolutionary theory. If the teens stop you, they are more fit, at least in the restricted sense.';

'>>3438608
How is stagnation bad?
Should we destroy potato because it solves winter famine?';

'>>3446469
Adachi is objectively wrong about releasing the shadow thoughbeit.';

'Because its impossible by definition. Do be alive means to change, to change is to be imperfect. A perfect world would be completely dead and static.';

'>>3457683
>I wanna shit on your floor!
NO FUCK OFF YOU DON'T GET TO SHIT WHERE YOU PLEASE
>>I'm glad you stopped him from shitting, in fact to stop anyone shitting on the floor ever again I will seal everyone's arseholes shut
NO YOU CAN'T JUST FUCKING SEAL EVERYONE'S ARSEHOLES SHUT WE SHIT FOR A REASON YOU FUCKWIT
>Gee you people are never happy!
>>I know, totally unreasonable

JUST STOP MESSING WITH PROPER SHITTING PROCEDURES YOU FUCKING RETARDS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST';

'>>3457841
>false equivalence';

'>>3460046
No it's not you jackass.
The point I'm making is that you should just;
A) Leave people the fuck alone
B) Stop assuming you could run everything better.

Like Maruki. Leaving off the fact that his Wonderworld had a section that literally spelled out that in his world it was wrong to dream, never aim higher because you might feel bad if you don't achieve it, which brainlets just skip over because "at least they're happy."
Fucking indians are happy, because they don't know better. Would you be cheering if Maruki made you a fucking pajeet bathing yourself in the ganges? At least you're happy doing it cunt!
Ah fuck, I said leaving that aside.

Leaving that aside, Maruki decided the best way to treat Sumire's survivor guilt over Kasumi was to have her pretend to be Kasumi. Believe she was Kasumi.
Does that sound nice? At least she's happy pretending to be her sister, she's not suffering!

What about her parents?
What about her parents watching their daughter cavort about pretending to be her dead sister?
What about her parents who have now lost Sumire to personality death?
What about her parents who will never truly accept Sumire as Kasumi, who know Kasumi is dead and now instead of having their surviving child they have some fucking parody of one in the skin of the other.
Like a skinwalker that REALLY fucked up.
Are you seriously suggesting the guy who thought this was a good idea should be given the reins of reality?

Yeah, hey Ann, the teacher who tried to fuck you and raped your friend into attempted suicide is out and about because nobody is allowed to feel bad but it's ok because you don't feel bad either.

Get fucked retard.
It wasn't a false equivalence, it was just a hyperbolic representation of the argument.';

'is there any jrpg villain that's unironically doing the right thing, he's honorable as fuck and he doesn't even throw a melty when fighting and losing to you';

'>>3460232
>"wtf is this nigga even rambling about.."
>its the persona 5: deluxe waifu edition plot
>they actually added this retarded shit to the already lame magic goblet demiurge final boss

Man....I was kind of thinking SMT V story needed a patching up but I didnt realize Royal changed that much. Fatlus will probably fuck it up even more.';

'>>3447229
It's great if you have the ambitions of an amoeba and believe that you are capable of nothing greater';

'>>3438678
>The fact remains: Violence is the greatest pleasure on Earth. Hence the great prevalence of games being based on combat.
>Most men these days have never been in a physical altercation, so they perhaps do not know this. But there is no feeling as good as dismantling someone and indeed having the power to end their life in the moment if you wish to.
>It is quite simple and sublimation is sublimation, ie. not enough and always degenerative. The rabbit does not go into the hat, the rabbit degrades and turns into a flopping fish out of water.
This man has never been in any altercation';

'>>3438678
>Violence is the greatest pleasure on Earth. Hence the great prevalence of games being based on combat.
Actually it's winning.
Hence the great prevalence of games.

Nothing beats winning. Winning literally cannot lose.';

'>>3460475
Winning what?
IE, what is the wager?
Combat is the simplest high stakes wager. War is the greater form of this. Empire is an exalted state born from War.';

'>>3460483
>Winning what?
>IE, what is the wager?
Wager?
It's just about proving superiority.

And if you get violent after losing, all it proves is my superiority caused some upset.';

'>>3460494
Null superiority, null winning is null
One simply persists as grey goo in this state, winning nothing and losing nothing. Such is degeneration.';

'>>3460500
I accept your concession.';

'>>3460267
suikoden 2';

'>>3457683
>Status quo loving teenagers-"You cant do that either, thats too le mean"
A much better criticism of RPGs than OP's is that 90% of the time your goal is to maintain the status quo.';

'>>3436041
No one cares gnostic jew';

'>>3451294
>lobotomy isn't cucking someone's will and personal sense of autonomy';

'>>3446526
>>t. animist mongoloid
Hylozoism/Panpsychicism is far more logically coherent than the entire repertoire of Trinitarian babble.';

'>>3460475
'Winning' is a form of violence enacted on the loser.';

'>>3432378
because that's never what would happen if their villians succeeded. a dumb nigger weeb prolly made this meme.';

'>>3461534
It is though, like tales of Berseria';

'>>3438647
Basically both the villain and the hero have good intentions but both are morons.
>There will be no more PVP nor Trolling
>What will happen when resources become limited? Have you plan for that outcome?
As for the Hero
>Nah that's boring, friend
Dumbass fucking argument but he is not wrong, the antagonists is eliminating lines of code like a retard practically creating a lobotomized populace. It is bound to end up poorly.';

'>>3447229
because we already have /v/ for that';

'Jesus fuck
You need suffering in life to make comparisons.
If there is nothing bad, that also means there is nothing good.
Stuff that is perceived as very good stays good, and stuff that is just a little good becomes evil.
If you wish to stagnate, you can abandon all emotion and become a robot or just die right away.

Living in a shit world makes bread precious. Living in too comfy world makes free speech a hate crime.

This isnt rocket science';

'>>3466776
Sounds like bullshit

Either way a world without bad things but some good things is worse than a simply neutral world WITHOUT anything bad
>b-b-but it would be boring!
Tell that to rape victims and starving children';