'>>1689716
>actually calling your game SOVL
I dunno man, it looks neat but that sounds kinda desperate';

'>>1689929
DORF: Soul but no dwarfs
SOVL: Dwarfs but no soul';

'>>1689716
how does it work?
does it have campaign or something? story?';

'>>1689929
I seen advertised on 4chan ads, so it all makes sense now... on /tg/ too, which also makes sense when you look at it.
But I barely found info on it so far, not even sure how man races/factions there are.
Do they have notWarhammer dark elves too?
>>1689716
Looks interesting enough for me to try.';

'>>1689716
I find it very amusing how video games were first created to realize and simulate abstract board game concepts like rectangles bumping into each other and dealing theoretical damage in integers that you have to write down on paper with a pen.
You'd have a dude with an axe visually take a swing at another enemy with a rigged skeleton animation, boom, video game.
And then modern gamedev goes and spends time and resources on creating abstract rectangles bumping into each other and dealing theoretical damage in integers. Then displays that number on the left side of the screen.
I guess it's nice the game is free, but it has 0 appeal and does nothing new or better than other titles in the strategy genre. I would honestly rather play Dune 2000 than abstract rectangles bumping into each other.
If this is made for warhammer autists, warhammer autists have a trillion tools and minis and mental disorders to play with. I'm pretty sure they'd rather play with their gay ass orks than rectangles with "ork" written on them';

'>>1689716
i got filtered by the rules document being written badly and half the hyperlinks being dead. oh and the total lack of visuals isn't helping either.
cool game but shame i already have tabletop wargames i play and enjoy more.';

'>>1689716
I like the aesthetics and the looks of it, but hate the WH and its cancer with a passion. I understand hitching the game to a popular franchise, but it's not the one for me.';

'>>1689716
Tried it, if the battle isnt won by turn 3, you just sit there waiting till the game rolls all the dice and says whos won for 4 turns, 10/10 just like the real thing so much SOVL';

'>>1689716
I beat one campaign. Honestly played it for more than I could play Total War Warhammer.

IT is decent enough that made me want to play more wargaming';

'>>1690056
>I find it very amusing how video games were first created to realize and simulate abstract board game concepts
You mean spreadsheets. Video games were created because some nerds were like "You see this oscilloscope, I'll bet I can make it look like it's playing sportsball". Lots of older games didn't even have much in the way of graphics, more like a text simulation of a typical board game or RPG, or some sort of management sim like what used to be popular on calculators. Nerd shit like tabletop games came later when home computers were powerful enough to be able to process the math and graphics in a timely manner and people were able to play across the net, around the 80s.';

'>straight-forward table top imitation of warhammer with the serial numbers filed off
>it's free unless you want to play beastmemes and chaosfags
>people still bitch
Its fine; ai art is ironically soulless, as is the minimalist ui, but army builder is nice and the mechanics are easy enough to grasp. If the art was actually worthwhile, I'd say the game is damn good for something that is entirely free. I don't understand why faggots feel the need to whine it isn't battle sector or total war when it isn't trying to be and literally can't be when it's being slapped together by some dude with no budget. He'll, he's even using inkarnate to make the world maps.';

'>>1690172
>tabletop wargames i play and enjoy more
links?';

'>>1689716
not bad at all, I've spent a fun evening playing the short campaign, If it had a workshop so you could make your own units it would be a great game.

I had a bug where my units started right in front of the enemy zone of deployment and that was a fun pitched battle, on the second try my vampire knight lady found a lesbian gf with a griffon and she helped immensely.';

'>>1695896
They need to allow mods so people can play Warhammer 4th-6th edition. That's all people really want, no on cares about their homebrew rules.';

'Gonna give it a shot';

'>>1695474
can't post .pdf outside of /tg/ but Gaslands is a pretty cool one, playing it via TTS. Also there's X-wing but i like that one less because i like d6 more than d8';

'>>1689716
I enjoy strategy games that employ rectangles, are there any other games like that? I've only played a couple but I like them.';

'>>1689716

Interesting concept but not much a fan of the rectangle banners. They should have made it like Shadow of the Horned Rat.';

'these rules heavily favors undead since they don't break and run and don't suffer from losing combat, but they are compensated by having lower stats.

Catapults are almost too good, you can squish anything at range with almost no reprisal if you turtle up in a good spot and don't mind letting them eat a sacrificial unit to trickle down the enemy.
I got two unhearted catapults in one run and the enemy couldn't even get to touch me most of the time.

Also if you get the benediction event give it to your best armored unit and it will make them immortal.';

'looks like the pictures in those battle reports I'd read in White Dwarf all those years ago...';

'>>1699871
With what budget? This game couldn't be made on a shorter shoestring if it tried.';

'Quite fun but i feel like there is not enough troop types, also no mod support? this game just begs for it';

'quite entertaining
there is some weak points however
>sometimes units get stuck, they really need move backwards or turn 180' command
>lack of customization for campaign or narration
>lack of tooltips
>gameplay loop is OK mostly';

'Pretty good for a free game, kinda lacks content but by the looks of it it's just a passion project some guy is doing on the side so can't ask much. Might buy a dlc eventually if he keeps at it.';

'>>1706760
yep
campaign could be longer and have some more options and choices';

'really like pistoliers here
they are really useful';

'it isnt a mobile app';

'undefined';

'not enough bipoc representation';

'>>1707420
you joke(hopefully) but one of my run was ended by black paladin leading knightly order';

'>>1689716
Are there any more games like this? Vidya that is based on WHFB or 40K TT wargame?
Or wargames from other settings with similar rules?
I like it so far, it's a bit simple. I wish there was a workshop to encourage modding.';

'>>1695896
How do you recruit units from other factions?';

'>>1707795
You sometimes get an event to recruit them in random nodes, dunno if there's any other way';

'>>1707463
uh anon, that's not a negro, that's an orc';

'>>1708321
this one was on my side and the run was winning one';

'>>1707795
so far i run into a event that turn one of your units into undead, other than you can recruit some random unit and another that hero join you
had elf army running around with orc champ on wyvern and units of knights';

'>>1708333
I usually don't accept unless they're heroes, especially early on because mercenaries drain your income too much.

For me the best event is the benediction one which makes the unit reroll saves, put it on an unit with 5+ defense and they will win even if they are the only ones left standing.

The turns your units into undead event is great because it makes one of your starting infantry units into wights which are amazing anvils and always fight to the last.

I bought the Abyssal pack and the Abyssal knights are true murderblenders and since the AI doesn't like to put everything in ranged you can just march your way across the field without need for your own.';

'>>1707795
Found an orc in my dawi run';

'Have some questions because I couldn't find the answers on the dev's site and I've never played tabletop games let alone Warhammer in my life.

1) Is there any difference between halberds and spears?
2) Do units with shields get better rolls against ranged?
3) Is there any difference between arrows and bolts?
4) What exactly is the difference between gunpowder and arrows/bolts? There seems to be one but I can't put my finger on it.
5) Am I right in assuming it's not always better to counter-charge, some units like spearmen, or anything with higher defense really, are better off just being allowed to take the charge?
6) What do the big bolded numbers mean when you shoot artillery and hit?

And a few questions about how the campaign works:

1) Am I right in assuming it's almost always much better to opt for getting a new unit than spending money on upgrades?
2) Am I right in assuming it's always best to go for replenishment increase and unit size increases during level up? And more gold for the leader?
3) Seems like there's no benefit at all to taking on the boss battles (sword hilt icon). Am I missing something?

Thank';

'>>1689716

great game op';

'>>1709156
You can hover over the unit's card and there's a tooltip explaining what the weapons do but in any case.

1)halberds have extra power, spears are used with shields.
2)should be yes.
3)crossbow bolts have +1 power but slightly lower range over arrows, ballista bolts have higher power and inflict x2 wounds.
4)lower range higher power, but they're kind of crap.
5)the charge gives +1 to combat score plus the bonuses, if your weapons give no bonuses or the enemy has spears then maybe consider letting the enemy put itself in a disadvantageous position so you can flank charge them next turn.
6)dunno, maybe the number of hits?


1)If you can afford it yes, numbers really help but upgrades aren't bad.
2)usually yes, but increased replenishment is a must on units you send to die, units with really low discipline also need that otherwise your big goblin chaff unit will just run away after the first combat.
3)bigger payout but it's too much risk for me so I usually avoid them.';

'>>1709250
Oh, thanks a lot, I didn't notice that about hovering over the weapons.';

'Can you switch art of heroes in the game?
I've seen different art of commander units while doing campaign
For instance in >>1695896 that captain isn't available for me in faction selection at start';

'>>1709378
In theory you unlock the art by beating all the 5 challenges which means doing the campaign 5 times with the same character.

I have no idea if you only unlock a new portrait or a stronger version of the hero.

as for your second question 'mercenary units' appear in the campaign randomly, among these you can find a hero with a monstrous mount.';

'>>1709156
the skill upgrade is very powerful on pretty much any unit that isnt a full time mage because it makes you better at ranged, melee and avoiding hits';

'>>1709558
True, and skill is better than size on ranged units (since in theory only the first two ranks use their ranged weapons? in warhammer tabletop was like that).

skeleton archers can get swords and shields,
elf spearmen can get bows and dwarf veterans can get crossbows.

upgrades that can get you hybrid units which are good value for your bucks.';

'>>1709558
>>1709564
Will keep this in mind, thanks';

'Artillery... my beloved';

'im about to take on the elven menace in its final form';

'the game lied to me, silver host my ass';

':(';

'>>1710248
>>1710283
>so close
is act 2 the final act? i thought there would be at least one more';

'>>1710250
they bring ONE unit and say they are in charge? that one's going in the book of grudges';

'>>1710319
Typical elven arrogance.


>>1710289
for now the campaign is only two acts.
no idea if they will expand on it.


>>1710114
Artillery is OP if used well, the bigger the better.

>>1710250
you had no fucking chance there.
Dwarves are hardy fuckers, if they get superior numbers and artillery too? you're fucked twice over.


>>1710248
Also your formation sucks, cavalry goes on the flank and your archers aren't seeing shit from behind a forest.';

'Which of the games have the bugs?';

'>>1711488
w40k';

'what fucking gives, for the second time my game just freezes after i win the last battle. it gives me the "victory" popup and then just sits there with the screen darkened
is it because i won by waiting them out until rout? because i ran the game by clicking on the exe file in the folder not the steam client?';

'really like this so far, the only thing I think it's lacking is hotseat & bigger custom armies and even that's just for solohammer purposes';

'>>1711719
report it on steam';

'Luthor Harkon DLC when?';

'Did dev post content roadmap or future plans anywhere?';

'>>1717385
no idea, didnt see anything';

'this game is actually pretty fun even if kind of basic
it could use better/more campaign modes';

'forest elves are up
similar to high elves but with glass cannon flanker infantry and dryads';

'how do you defeat harpies aka unit with better mobility than light cavalry that hits as hard as heavy cav on the charge?';

'>>1719531
you target them first with ranged, put high defense or charge defense or something you don't care to lose on the flank where they usually spawn.
The ai will target closest first that I've seen so just put something in their path.

>>1719420
glass cannon infantry isn't really that great that I've seen, they are squishy with poor mobility and low replenishment.';

'>>1719531
shoot them';

'>>1719558
their baseline spear+shield infantry is much better as you can get them longbows and hvy armor and then they are great in ranged and melee combat plus they come in good numbers
war dancers are quite good tho for infantry, fast, 2 attacks+reroll IF you can flank with them they kill fast';

'behold my elvish murder waifu, killed 6 chaos warriors in a single charge once!';

'>>1719558
>>1719563
what if they are behind 6 units of ambushing beastmen so you cannot target them?';

'>>1719630
pretty strong
not a match for my cannon
>>1719631
they will come eventually';

'Does it have warhammer style dark (goth) elves?';

'>>1720818
only have high and wood elves';

'>>1720824
Meh then.';

'>>1720843
They might be added eventually


been having a bit of fun with the scaly boys here, dangerous pets for sure.
they get good defense and hit hard, midway in speed between heavy cav and infantry, they're definitely a bit weird to use but very forgiving since they're good in melee and have a short ranged breath attack.

very expensive though, I ran the whole campaign with four units total of which two dragonspawns and the fifth unit got acquired only in the end and did nothing but die ignominiously in the final battle.';

'>>1721383
look strong
hybrid units are strong in general because of skill being both ranged and melee stat';

'They just released the Lizardmen. I'm honestly surprised at how fast he's pumping em out.';

'>>1726680
Is it normal that I don't find the dlc races in battle?
Woodelves and lizardmen don't come up in the campaign fights while Abyss dudes and beastmen are everywhere.';

'>>1726705
I don't own any of the DLC so I couldn't tell ya.';

'The campaign mode could use one more act, just two acts to run through feels too short but more than three would probably be too much.
The simplification of some of the tabletop stats has its ups and downs but I feel like continuing the separation between weapon/ballistic skill and having toughness be separate from armor in favor of a unified skill and defense value makes less sense when you're going to make a vidya game that makes handling all that table checking a non issue.
It is fun giving ranged weapons to dwarf elite infantry and getting a lot of value out of any skill increases you roll for them but ranged combat is already overpowered in this ruleset, partially because WS/BS are one stat so missile units can't be too shit in one or the other so its not as dangerous for them to get caught out or forced into melee than it otherwise should be.
Almost spiteful nitpicking considering everything else the game does smoothly especially when its free.';

'>>1726836
It really should have separated Skill into two stats. Armour and toughness too but that's because I'm a bit annoyed at everything being orc tough but better.';

'>>1726847
It just creates strangeness regarding how units are designed and the way the stats end up interacting. The meatiness and regeneration of a troll and the fat armor of a dwarf are treated the same when toughness vs armor created a lot of specific niches for uses and counters when strength and any armor piercing properties were considered.';

'>>1726680
Well he doesn't have to design the gameplay since that's already done, he only needs to code the functions';

'>>1726680
He's copy/pasting from Warhammer.';

'Come children gather round as I retell the tale of dread hellprince
Azrianthos the Archdevil of the Abyssal wastes leading his pawn Ghargos ashenfell and his warband on a trail of death through the lands!
Indeed this monstrous archdevil was empowered by fell magics, flesh bursting with unholy power and surrounded by a stench of Sulphur thick enough to stop a man stiff!

The demon was shrewd, at the start of his rampage he found a blessed shrine and defiled it for his dark masters, in exchange for this heinous act he gathered a blessing that would make him immortal!

No wound would remain on his flesh and like water it would return to shape even under the most grievous wound!

Strong of this knowledge and emboldened the dark prince of demons refused no challenge diving headfirst into cavalry charges and duels with heroes, slaughtering man and beast alike with his flaming greatsword without care to defend himself!

But he had the galls to ask for even more searching to ascend to godhood! The gods saw his hubris and struck him, smote him with lightning and flame from the heavens... And yet the monster kept on living!

The very next battle he walked the battlefield to the slaughter, alas even nightmares fade to time and he overestimated himself, a mere goblin holding firm with his spear was enough to pierce his heart and even as he crushed half a dozen falling to the earth the legend was shattered.

He still lived yes, but his followers now doubted. Had he reached his end?
one last battle would reveal the truth...

From the wastes a champion arose to challenge the legend, bolstering his numbers with beastmen and northmen this upstart would discover that the path to glory leads fools like him to an ignominious end.

Confronting the dark prince, looking into such black pits of merciless hatred of monstrous fiery eyes the coward's heart quivered and he fled the battlefield, The Archdevil won back his reputation continuing his reign of terror to this very day...';

'>>1726680
ratkin is on the way
>>1726705
dunno if he updated campaign for new races';

'Trying to go pure Orc without using any gobbos. Having difficulty getting too far. I feel like I may be fucking up too much. Especially when ranged units come into play.';

'>>1727947
yeah ranged units are really strong, melee charges are kind of wonky';

'>>1728775
It honestly feels like the best weapons are either double weapons or shield + hand weapon. Great Weapons don't seem to do so hot.';

'>>1728817
yeah, double attacks beat +1 power and defense is also more useful
fast units are also really good for melee build as you can flank or avoid enemy inf charges';

'>>1729258
It's why I'm a bit annoyed by some of the changes. I get that they're meant to be simplified from warhammer but a lot of the reason for great weapons are gone.';

'>>1729352
elaborate
t. non tabletop';

'>>1729356
In Sovl stats are more simplified. Defense in sovl is a combination of two stats in Warhammer Toughness and Armor. Power is also simplified Armor reduction and Strength as a result. Great weapons main usage was to increase strength to do better damage against squishy units or deal with high toughness units, but they also had good armor penetration so they could deal with high armor as well. This output was given because they often didn't get many attacks and gave up the defensive power of the shield.';

'>>1729372
that is shame';

'>>1729400
I feel like if they wanted to make it feel more proper great weapons would just have +2 power instead of +1 and +1 charge bonus. This way they can grind it out in combats better, but as it is Hand Weapon + Shield accomplishes the same thing on a charge.';

'>>1729401
i feel like weak units always getting +5 saves makes using them a lot more fun compared to wfb';

'>>1729407
I feel them kind of useless instead because unless they're undead after they lose a round of combat they run away immediately because of low discipline.

They might be useful in blocking big units with few strong attacks but it's really niche since those units usually have the maneuverability to get swamped and it's not guaranteed they don't run anyway.';

'>>1729352
>>1729372
Why bother doing that? Surely the point of moving to a videogame is that you can automate all the rolls that make tabletop take years to run - it would be more sensible to simplify a tabletop game and keep the interesting complex stuff in a videogame adaptation';

'>>1731015
I wouldn't know. That's for you to ask the developer. Still trying to make Orc Brutes work.';

'>>1731057
I think regular orc boys are better value than brutes. the way the dev combined toughness and armour (and removed invul saves) means that elite units are much worse value than in most tabletop games, because they can get smoked by any halfway decent ranged unit';

'new update dropped';

'>>1736278
Hopefully the elite battles were revamped to give actual rewards. I saw the update adds new stuff to the Act 2 but Elite fights are so bad that you want to evade them as much as possible.';

'>>1736281
i dont agree with avoiding elite fights at all because they give more gold than regular battles';

'>>1736613
how much?';

'>>1736925
like 20 or 30k, new patch shows all the modifiers after the game';

'>>1736953
20 or 30k? is that a typo? last time i played the game hiring a squad cost like 300 gold, with 20k you can recruit every unit and item in a single playthrough';

'>>1736974
yeah sorry the k was a typo';

'All this guy has to do is create a campaign map and I'm all over this game.';

'>>1737812
agree, I mean I don't mind current style campaign(although it could be with more customization) but yeah, the Brigandine style map with some simple campaign mechanic would be great';

'I did the whole challenges thing and unlocked the alternative skin for the Abyssal exalted champion but for now it has no different statline from the base champion (at least from the army builder).
And also isn't available in the campaign.

So you don't have to ADHD your way to do the campaign 5 times for each race to collect all the AI made png skins.

I don't see why they wouldn't allow players to mod the game, it would be a perfect base to build a customizable tabletop battles simulator.';

'>>1739053
And some asymmetric recruitment based on faction. It could really cut a niche in the 4x space.';