'>>1690192
I downloaded the latest free version (0.50 iirc) and they changed the UI to match the paid version. I dropped it because I'd have to relearn the controls and menus.
I guess I'm now stuck with an older version if I wish to play.';

'>>1690206
Boo-hoo, cry me a river.';

'>>1690212
Counterproductive post.';

'>>1690192
I bought it out of pity on Steam last Christmas. Barely played it. Rimworld is so much better.';

'>>1690231
What makes Rimworld better?';

'>>1690246
You need to be at least 18 to post here.';

'>>1690246
hear hear.';

'>>1690236
I'd say 41% of it are the mods. I know that Dwarf Fortress probably has lots of mods too, but Rimworld's are just easier to understand, either thanks to /rwg/ or because of the experience I've had with the mods already after 300+ hours (probably 2x including offline mode) of playing. I've started the game again and again at least a hundred times, at every step of the game (after every DLC), so I know exactly what I need and why, and what is useless to me.

The other 41% is the UI. The Dwarf Fortress interface is like no other TBS I ever played. So hard to get used to. So many changes needed, but I don't know if I will regret changing them later (i.e. scrolling = zoom vs layers).

And the rest, maybe remaining 7%, I'd say is just the flow of the game, I can't tell if something in the past actually affects the present or not, and if yes how. Thousands of questions, hard to find answers, etc.';

'>>1690246
>>1690042
People don't unironically believe stuff like this is new, do they?';

'>>1690269
>41%
hahaha wow youre sooooo funny no one has ever thought of that joke before hahahah… imbecile';

'>>1690269
>41%
>41%
>7%
Mate...';

'>>1690276
it's actually like 61% now';

'>>1690281
The remaining 11% is "all other reasons combined".';

'>>1690282
Rest in power.';

'>>1690192
Somehow development is even slower. Bugs that never get fixed. Accessible controls has demystified the game. The one thing the game has going for it over its successor games STILL hasn't been rereleased after like a year and a half.';

'>>1690290
Kek sjw ruin own game and for what ? Manney from Soros ? Kek';

'>>1690290
> The one thing the game has going for it over its successor games STILL hasn't been rereleased after like a year and a half.
Which is?';

'the game hasn't been functional since 2012. the retard keeps stapling on half-working convoluted nonsense while refusing to fix the previously half-working convoluted nonsense';

'>>1690192
What happened to checking the catalog?
>>1689210
No one does it anymore, why did phone fags ruin this site so fast?';

'Because it's the same game from 2012 that has had its formula cloned and improved dozens of times since then. A nicer tileset and UI is a gimmick covering up the same rotten core.';

'>>1690300
I typed “Dwarf Fortress” in the search bar, it didn’t return shit. Not my fault you guys can’t create proper threads.';

'>>1690308
If you don't know that we use DF or DtF to signal Dwarf Fortress threads, then you're clearly not part of our club.';

'>>1690310
This a public website, not a Discord server.';

'>>1690310
fuck off "le epique sekreit club" faggot. you belong in 2008';

'>>1690269
What are the best Rimworld mods?';

'>>1690314
dub's bad hygiene
character editor
hospitality
dubs mint menus
LMW's deep storage
Work Tab (fluffy's)
Rimefeller

A Rimworld of Magic (terribly balanced and glitchy, but fun anyways)';

'>>1690287
Dwarf Fortress haters btfo';

'>>1690334
>character editor
This alone is #1, god tier. It's not cheating if I'm just adjusting bad RNG.
>Rimefeller
Is this a recent one? Never heard of it before.';

'>>1690356
i usually use Character Editor to fix stuff that is broken because of glitches because i install too many mods. it is very powerful. useful for saving pawns you like too

rimefeller is an oil drilling mod. suck crude oil out of the ground and process it into chemfuel. fills out late game stuff like making neutronamine and hyperweave and plasteel. probably overpowered but just turn the difficulty up and it wont trivialize things';

'>>1690298
Adventure Mode where you can explore the world and its history. No one else simulates that aspect like DF does.';

'>>1690530
>Adventure Mode
Why would I want to have an advneture in a strategy game?!';

'>>1690530
adventure mode is undercooked soulless procgen nonsense

might as well play no mans sky';

'>>1690192
Fans will never admit it but the game's entire appeal originally was that it was so complex and the UI was so unintuitive that it turned normies off and they were free to sperg out about how crazy you could be in the game. As much as they'd complain about the graphics they felt nice and smug that they played an ASCII game that looked like a hacker program in a 90s action movie.
Once they ported it to Steam and gave it a passable UI and graphics it lost much of that appeal and 90% of the playerbase realized they preferred just playing Rimworld to starting a new fort every month.';

'>>1690668
>Once they ported it to Steam and gave it a passable UI and graphics it lost much of that appeal and 90% of the playerbase realized they preferred just playing Rimworld to starting a new fort every month.
Savage & brutal truth.';

'>>1690668
I tried the ASCII style multiple times and I just couldn't play long enough to get into it. Now with the steam release I see it's actually not that great. Rimworld is miles better even without Z levels.';

'>>1690192
Villains update, 4 years ago.
Before that, raiding. 7 years ago.
Before that, taverns and libraries. 9 years ago.
Myth generator and magic update were teased in 2016. Toady warned that a Big Wait will be announced and come before that. We still haven't even started the Big Wait.';

'>>1690748
I hope he get cursed with immortality until he finishes this game.';

'>>1690772
He looks like fucking garbage for someone at his age, so his either gona die soo, or he became a lich already

Also, hi rimworldfag';

'I've always mostly played Adventure Mode (I was introduced to DF by Obok Meatgod) and mainly played Fortress Mode as a means to give context to my world and adventurers. I've been playing it since the Steam release but it just isn't the same without Adventure Mode and a proper Legends Viewer.
I don't think Rimworld really competes with Dwarf Fortress really, I love both of them but play them for different reasons. I play Rimworld like the Sims and I play Dwarf Fortress like an epic fantasy storyteller.';

'>>1690273
Maybe if you killed yourself that number would go up to 42% and he would have to change the joke';

'>>1691125
I won't care about adventure mode until it's viable to actually play as a necromancer and affect the world map in a significant way.';

'>>1690192
The truth is that Dwarf Fortress discussion was driven purely by boatmurdered memes and once they attracted actual players it all fell apart when it turned out there wasn't actually much of a game beyond making up stories in your head. This happened long before the Steam release but it was the final nail in the coffin because the memers couldn't ignore the naysayers and circlejerk with the same tired 15 year old memes some more by pulling the "salty because you can't handle the UI/graphics" card any more. And also this >>1690668 of course.';

'>>1691747
Dammit, wish i could see your post in Christmas, then I would've redeemed sar';

'>>1690192
Because the update somehow managed to make it way more tedious than with just the keyboard, by breaking most keyboard shortcuts.';

'Stopped caring when they took out the mostly sensible keybinds and replaced them with retarded ones and made the UI mouse focused';

'>>1690192
What I'm more curious about is why after two decades of development Tarn finally decided to take a break from cooming to loli porn and finish the game.';

'>>1692156
>Tarn finally decided to take a break from cooming to loli porn
Is that real???';

'>>1691786
>Toady tries to add/fix something
>breaks even more shit
Should have seen that coming. He still didn't fix military, did he?';

'>>1692277
>He still didn't fix military, did he?
I guess after all these semi- and fully-retarded 'fixes' and 'changes' that he tried to introduce during all these years, that part of code could be so horrendously unintelligible spagetti of a code that it simply can't be fixed anymore';

'>>1690269
Steam df doesnt have almost any real mods actually, its all small fluff';

'>>1690269
I love DF and thought I was going to love Rimworld but it seems like an incredibly watered down game in comparison and wasn't what I thought it was going to be. I can understand how the UI in DF would filter people though.';

'>>1692288
At this rate he won't be able to finish his fantasy world simulator. I don't even talk in terms of time, but sheer spaghettification of the code.';

'>>1690236
The fact that its finished and that there isnt a list of 10k not fixed bugs after 20 years of development.';

'>>1690269
UI in rim is a placeholder funnily enough, and i havent seen many mods that address usability of the ui, only the ones that increase complexity';

'>>1692304
>no z levels';

'>>1692323
Z levels will be implemented in the next DLC (Rimworl: Special Operation Z).';

'>>1690192
It always has a special place for me in regards to opening me up to more games of that style, and taught me to weirdly enjoy ASCII/be OK with exploring games with a minimal or shitty UI. However the game just doesn't have a lot to talk about. Everyone's first wacky artifact, vampire mayor, or fell mood makes for a cute blurb, but there's not much else going on. You can set up some workshops and a tavern, order things to be made and watch dwarves dance, that's it. Unlike its competitors: There is no massively game-changing mods for it or DLC, and singular features take half a decade to be added in partly functional states- so all the things you'd discuss about say- Rimworld and playing it, have no analogue in the west';

'>>1692326
Source???';

'FAT TOAD (Montenegro's most hard working man) has been promising stuff for over a decade and hasn't been delivering shit.
Unless he starts actually delivering stuff, it's over for him. The graphics garbage was a huge mistake too. Game is fundamentally stuck in 2014.';

'>>1692742
I thought Montego was in Monte Cristo';

'>>1690361
Rimafeller breaks immersion for me. I just can't imagine there's many oil shallow underground on that RimWorld planet. By comparison Rimatomics make more sense since uranium is already everywhere';

'>>1690236
The fact that it fucking makes any amount of sense at all. Cat populations have to be like micromanaged. Dwarves can't sit with other dwarves at a table or they go insane. The whole game is just falling into pits of absurdity that ruin your playthrough. Mastering this game is to become slightly more schizophrenic.';

'>catering to casuals while alienating your core fans
A tale as old as time.';

'>>1690356
>It's not cheating if I'm just adjusting bad RNG.';

'>>1690192
>No one talks about it anymore
nobody talked about before either.

DF was always obscure and reserved for gimmick plays. People somehow got hyped over a done game moving to steam when the game's peak happened a decade prior.';

'So DF is literal tranny shit';

'>>1690192
I hate dwarves';

'>>1694145
Go hug some fucking decaying tree trunk, knifeear';

'>>1690192
One of the many fatal flaws of DF (other that it is a piece of shit software being made by a lazy BLM activist and commie) is that it has no end game or objectives. All this "complicated" systems and you can do fuck all with them.
You can't create a military-industrial complex to conquer your region or planet.
You can make your fortress a centre of trade and manufacturing.
You can't make your fortress a world museum with legendary craftsmen that make cool shit so other dwarfs are races can visit.
You can't create like a magic fortress with scholars and wizards and cool werid stuff.
You can't do anything.';

'>>1692296
Rimworld is only "watered-down" in that it abstracts all the useless performance-draining autism that 99% of the playerbase don't care about anyway (fluid simulation, detailed description of a pawn's sexuality and autism spectrum, etc). It retains and improves on nearly everything else.
The only way in which Rimworld is inferior is lack of z-levels';

'I only really enjoyed the Adventure Mode when I was playing years ago. The ability to shit like precisely target the enemy’s left pinky finger, cut it off, and throw it in their eye socket brought me many laughs. You could become a god by falling in a river and punching fish until you eventually washed out to sea, where on the sands you have maxed out punching, kicking, and biting skills and then just go full Fist of the North Star on everything. Once Adventure Mode is added to the Steam version I will probably buy it, but the fortress mode is kind of ass and there are plenty of games inspired by DF that do it better at this point.';

'>>1694145
Same.
>>1694151
I hate elves too. Your move, DMfag.';

'>>1694085
It's so funny how all incel chud neckbeards turned on Dwarf Fortress just because the brothers hired a trans person to improve their shit coding. Trans folx are the best programmers of under 30s folx. Deal with it.';

'>>1690236
It has trans representation';

'>>1696362
you stuck too many buzzwords into your word salad post to be believable

do better';

'>>1692156
the df creators have good taste? I'm in team dwarf now';

'So, you girls are saying I should just wait for Adventure Mode? Adventure Mode helps people get into DF easier?';

'>>1690231
Feel the same. I just about managed Rimworld, Dwarf Fortress filtered me hard. Too difficult to get into. Also I don't care about faggot dwarfs.';

'Can't play DF since DM ruined dwarves for me';

'>>1697252
>dventure Mode helps people get into DF easier?
I dont see how considering that it is actually harder and more aimless than the fort mode';

'>>1690192
I played a fair bit over christmas but now I'm waiting for adventure mode';

'>>1697355
>DM
Dungeon Meshi?';

'>>1690192
it always was a niche game for niche audiences.
It has several thing going for it.

First is a procgen, worlds and stories DF can generate are genuinely interesting and they are a huge draw for some people. Some are only using a game for that.

Second one is a freedom of creation, DF world is block based like minecraft. So you have a colony sim where your colony can take whatever shape you want. My favorite fortress was the one where I crammed everything into the one giant tower and built upward.

Third one is interactivity of systems, like a damage system, fluid mechanics and all that other stuff.

My gripe with a game is that I like second and third aspect the most, toady on the other hand is focused on the first one. He tries to improve procgen fantasy worldgenerator. What can even interfere with following aspects. For example I don't like to waste space on temples and guilds but i have to even though I don't really benefit from them.';

'>>1696362
yeah autistic men are the best programmers, what's new?';

'>>1697950
they're not, they're just the most obsessive. if you look at the actually best programmers they're quite far from the sperglord archetype - making good software requires cooperation';

'>>1697950
>best programmers
*best tech employees
there is a diference, subtle perhaps but there is';

'>>1690192
Kruggsmash still makes good videos so the game still technically is relevant to me; otherwise I stopped playing it long ago when toady exposed his love of BBC
>>1696362
poor bait; but in any case you will never ever be perceived as a woman
>>1698159
This anon gets it';

'I remember the mods which allowed the milking of elf maidens.';

'>>1697691
If only the game graphic actually allows you to look at your own fort like the pic you posted.
>j…just use your imagination!';

'>>1697691
>First is a procgen, worlds and stories DF can generate are genuinely interesting and they are a huge draw for some people. Some are only using a game for that.
I used to dismiss this aspect of the game but then during worldgen I saw one elf showing up constantly as the history was unfolding. I checked her and during her life she took the identity of someone else to fool lesser races over 200 times then became queen of elven civ. I wonder what would happen if I allowed the history to roll further.';

'>>1700100
dorf butt';

'>>1700859
ohhh nasty!!';

'>>1700859
>>1700876
I don't get it?';

'Go back to your general
>>>/vg/469298212';

'>>1700926
autism';

'meh plehmp helmyet';

'>>1700968
??????????';

'Unironically, dwarves are even worse than elves in fantasy.';

'>>1701311
>>1700877
old DF memes from /dfg/';

'>>1700926
I will not post on your shitty dorf butts general';

'>>1701407
>dorf butts
OH NAAAASTY!!';

'>>1690192
DF will always be a niche game in general.
The new UI and all of the changes are just Toady trying to dodge doing the magic, and villian stuff.';

'>>1701410
shut up';

'>>1690269
Didn't a bunch of mods for DF get wiped a while back because of some server fuck up? I kinda wanted to try out Kobold Kamp to at least say I tried it out but I have no idea which version is the best/even still up.';

'>>1701319
You mean old shitposts from an autist that drove people out.';

'>>1690231
it's shit. It's a tower defense game and borderline inorganic';

'>>1690212
The new controls are unironically worse.
Some things don't have hotkeys for whatever reason. So there's this awkward shuffle back and forth between the mouse and keyboard in the menus themselves.
Mouse only controls for designations suffer in unexplored areas. Making it easy to accidentally paint tiles you don't want. There's no grid to help you aim in there.

Also the game is way slower even on a new embark for no reason. I haven't had the patience to make a big fortress yet. So I can't speak for FPS death in the new version';

'>>1701518
How is Dwarf Fortress a tower defense game';

'>>1701454
stinky';

'>>1690192
As someone who's been playing it on and off for over a decade it's just not that good as a game. It's complex, but not challenging. It's interesting as an art piece, you can use it as a fun sandbox, but it's not a good game. It's not balanced, it's trivially easy to last forever, you're spending a lot of time just waiting for stuff to be finished. Managing more than like 50 dwarves is a chore and also lags your game to hell. Furthermore the game hasn't notably changed since 2012, and probably never will again.

It's fun for a while, but once you've lost a fort to a tantrum spiral and a lycantrophy spiral, pierced an aquifer, made a lava death machine, and opened up the clown car, you've pretty much seen it all and that's left is to make autistic megaprojects that you might as well do in modded Minecraft. The moment-to-moment gameplay just isn't engaging.';

'it's over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0t0yUIUPes';

'>>1701958
Wow, I didn't even know a new RimWorld DLC was announced. You're the first one telling me';

'>>1701958
>>1702039
It's mid, worst DLC since Ideology';

'>>1690192
When Toady released the steam version the average player could actually play it and realize it is inferior to rimworld in almost every way. The turboautists that shilled it endlessly got so demoralized they couldn't keep their general on /vg/ going';

'>>1702085
Ideology is the only dlc worth getting tho';

'>>1701958
I don't watch this guy.';

'>>1701958
I didn't watch this guy either, but i checked out the new features and it looks like a huge nothingburger. No Z-axis, Dwarf Fortress still lives';

'>>1701958
Dwarf fortress is done. Dusted.';

'>>1701958
>people stil believe/suck youtubers boots/dicks to this day, uh?';

'>>1690192
>4chan users having retardness and high levels of autism to think that this game is now "bad" for some reason, I guess';

'not a strategy game, go back to your general
>>>/vg/469298212';

'>>1690192
>I'm now stuck with an older version if I wish to play
There's nothing in the new versions that's worth updating for and they don't have adventure mode. There's no reason to download that version.
>>1690548
I like to make OP characters then move them into my fort after exploring the world and maybe bringing back a necromancers tome. Also it's actually pretty fun to grab a creature by the head and crush its skull as an elephantman.';

'>>1690668
No, retard fuck. The game hasn't changed in years. We've played through hundreds of forts with the current mechanics, we're waiting for the next updates to change the gameplay.';

'https://mega.nz/folder/iIMCCa7L#JPVQ3EUJr2PhR6OMYthapw';

'>>1690270
I am the second poster
That was made in response to idiots asking and complaining over and over about how to remove said things during the Steam version newfag wave';

'>>1690270
>fags, troons and nogz got introduced into DF sooner than alchemy and revamped economy did
I hate proglodyte indefags with every fibre of my being';

'>>1702921
>troons
you got some proof of that?';

'>>1703001
The literally cultural appropriation of two-spirit "on all levels but physical I am X" bullshit is on the ToDo feature list completely unironicly ever since DF went on Steam and its development got handed over to a gender-gasseous Antifa leftard who just used the run the MagmaWiki';

'>>1703029
Anon, what the fuck are you on about?
I am talking about in-game, right now.';

'>>1703029';

'>>1690192
It was never good. Just astroturfed by a buch of leftards and troons.';

'>>1702921 >>1703029
Here are your troons you want so bad
[INTERACTION:IHATEFAGS]
[I_SOURCE:DEITY]
[IS_USAGE_HINT:MAJOR_CURSE]
[IS_HIST_STRING_1: cursed ]
[IS_HIST_STRING_2: to be a parody of a real woman.]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_CANNOT_TARGET_IF_ALREADY_AFFECTED]
[IT_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:MALE]
[IT_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE]
[IT_MANUAL_INPUT:faggot]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:MALE]
[SYN_CLASS:FAGGOT]
[SYN_NAME:Gender Dysphoria]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0]
[CE:CREATURE:DWARF:FEMALE]
[CE_ERRATIC_BEHAVIOR:SEV:10000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:HATE_PROPENSITY:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:VIOLENT:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:DISCORD:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:BRAVERY:40:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:CONFIDENCE:40:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_ADD_TAG:STERILE:START:0]
[CE_NECROSIS:SEV:10000:PROB:41:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:ABRUPT:START:0:PEAK:0]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:REGRET:SEV:10000:PROB:100:START:1]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE]
[SYN_CLASS:FAGGOT]
[SYN_NAME:Gender Dysphoria]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0]
[CE:CREATURE:HUMAN:FEMALE]
[CE_ERRATIC_BEHAVIOR:SEV:10000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:HATE_PROPENSITY:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:VIOLENT:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:DISCORD:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:BRAVERY:40:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:CONFIDENCE:40:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_ADD_TAG:STERILE:START:0]
[CE_NECROSIS:SEV:10000:PROB:41:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:ABRUPT:START:0:PEAK:0]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:REGRET:SEV:10000:PROB:100:START:1]';

'>>1703041
Virus?';

'>>1703287
no, Curse';

'>>1702195
this';

'>>1703287
veerus?';

'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YziFO-VSQjw';

'people found out it wasnt that much of a big deal as df obsessed nerds said';

'>>1701493
it got me to join he is funny';

'>>1690192
>why did it fall from grace so fast?
People started noticing how shitty game it is in reality, outside of fanwank stories that embelish and hype shit up.';

'>>1690236
Modular modding
Better clearer interface and graphics
More detailed gameplay with more features
manual pawn/combat controls
ability to research shit
dev not being cuckold';

'you do realize that you're the only one keeping this thread alive now right, anti-DF autist?';

'>>1704831
you dumb motherfucker, your shitty "art" is probably the reason why nobody wanted to post.';

'>>1704831
>>1704846
>>1704848
I hate you and your obvious samefagging
>>>/vg/469789768
>>>/vg/469789816';

'Based on your posts in those generals, I am convinced you're that moron that wants to merge roguelike generals as well as /dfg/ and /rwg/ together';

'>>1703041
Nice curse, know a way to make it so they try to convert other as well?';

'>/dfg/ died again
Is this the new general? Or just temporary?';

'>>1704882
MIght as well use it considering rimworldfag is keeping the thread alive for us';

'>>1705022
It's not like it'd be the first time a general moved here anyway.';

'>>1704849
>all of his posts were deleted
based mods';

'>>1705168
And that's probably why /dfg/ died again.';

'>>1702692
this
the new update added some shit but nothing super groundbreaking';

'>>1705486
So, how is not a strategy game, then?';

'>>1690192
what do you mean so fast, this game is older than some posters here
it was never that popular in the first place outside of a circle of turbonerds';

'>>1706311
>it was never that popular in the first place outside of a circle of turbonerds
as it should have stayed, Steam fortress was a mistake';

'>"Three to four years from now, what are [Dwarf Fortress] sales looking like?" pondered Adams in a chat with PCG, "What kind of decisions do we have to make [with] burn rates and all that stuff?" Considering the possibility of making those hard decisions some day down the line, Tarn wondered if the experience would give him "more empathy for the people that lay people off.
>"No, I don't f***ing think so," he concluded. "They can all eat s***, I think they're horrible, and I think they're bad people."
>Which is a pretty definitive statement all by itself, but Adams continued: "These decisions, they don't sound practical. They sound like they're driven by greedy, greedy people trying to make some kind of venture capital thing work out.
>"There is this stench of rot at the top of things where the reasons people get laid off is because of funding structures and bad incentives and stupidity," said Adams, damning execs for firing people "that they shouldn't fire because their company will fall apart, but I guess maybe that helps someone's bottom line somewhere or gets the right air inside the right golden parachute."';

'Rimworld >>> Kenshi > Amazing Cultivation Simulator >> Dwarf Fortress';

'>>1706794';

'>>1706794
>commieshit say stupid commieshit things';

'I remember thinking many years ago how Tarn was some kind of savant genius who wanted to autistically create this ideal game he had in mind. It's only now with the wisdom of years I realise he's actually just a retard who can barely code, supported by a legion of braindead idiots who fanboy only because it makes themselves feel intellectually superior. His brief forays into political discussions he clearly barely understands only reaffirms how clueless he is in every single dimension of life. I'm more annoyed at myself that I let myself believe he was some kind of auteur who might bring something worthwhile to the table.';

'>>1706794
This sounds and reads like something that was just made up.';

'I thought /dfg/ was back, what happened this time?';

'>>1707778
dorfbutt guy got banned so he couldn't get the thread alive
or at least I'm guessing he did, since all of his posts got deleted all at once';

'>>1707778
We had a good thread going, then the next one slowed down and died during the night
The next one died during the night too
Then dorfbutt made one that 80% him bumping the thread but it died too';

'>>1690236
Rimjobworld mod';

'>>1707943
Agreed. Also I can run a slave plantation.';

'>>1707213
>t. temporarily embarrassed millionaire';

'>>1707250
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/sim/dwarf-fortress-creator-blasts-execs-behind-brutal-industry-layoffs-they-can-all-eat-s-i-think-theyre-horrible-greedy-greedy-people/';

'>>1690192
Yo i was going to make this same thread. It got so popular “wow a classic on steam” and then died

No other colong sim offers me the 3D building experience that DF does, and rimworld is gross sci fi with dumb looking pawns… BUT DF IS BUGGY AS FUCK';

'>>1708148
funny how leftytroons will always seethe at working class people who are not as dumb as them(not even hard, just have common sense)';

'>>1690236
its actually a game';

'>>1705179
Sorry for having actual integrity like a total chud, have some Ploomb Hoymitz for compenation.';

'>>1707937
Are you sure those aren't PHMs?';

'>>1703029
> its development got handed over to a gender-gasseous Antifa leftard who just used the run the MagmaWiki

Literally who the fuck?
Seething anon is probably gone by now, so if anyone else knows what they were on about please share. I know kitfox has left-wing ideas but wtf is this guy talking about';

'>>1708320
I will guess he is refering to the to programer Toady hired to help cull bugs and do performace and QoL work but I dont know anything he is talking about it other than it being some autistic troon';

'>>1708148
>t. faggot';

'I tried playing Dwarf Fortress again today, again got bored after 2 hours. Maybe 22 hours playtime total since I bought it on Christmas, and half of that is sleep time.';

'>>1708221
>working class people who simp for billionaires
>not dumb
YWNBAM (you will never be a millionaire)';

'>>1710800
Being rich is ok.';

'>>1690192
Damn, this game really has been left in the dust.';

'>>1710800
>t. troon';

'>>1711031
>buy these games to get black people out of jail temporarily';

'how much magic can you use in adventure mode?';

'>>1711343
you can become a necromancer';

'Filthy faggot tourist here, why is everyone ITT calling the lead dev of this game a cuck? I haven't played this game myself but I'm still curious since I have a passive interest in DF due to knowing many fans of the game over the past decade, both online and IRL.';

'>>1711384
He supported Black Lives Matter when it was the current thing.';

'84
Fuck off.';

'>>1711384
This guy made the game Liberty Crime Squad which is an ASCII parody of liberalism. Now he became what he used to make fun of.';

'>>1711524
are you the same guy or are you different guys? Cause it seems like your everywhere all at once but you all sound the same.';

'oh god I hope the armor doesn't stop ash creatures from dying easily';

'>>1711386
i dont blame him, he was a lifelong foreveralone, and he traded it all to get married. not too many men can take the pressures of it, elliot rodger couldn't either. after about 20 years of spinning his wheels procedurally generating every blade of grass it was time to move on.';

'>>1711620
Today didn't get married, his leech brother did.';

'>>1701958
Based Tynan';

'How do i stop the flooding/fix this';

'>>1711883
where's it coming from?';

'>>1711888
Im guessing the damp walls? Im trying to expand my storage area and the walls have the water drop icon';

'>>1711892
Smooth out the walls with the water drip icon, if its still flooding then go a level up and channel out the floor.';

'>>1707030
Good ranking actually';

'>>1711894
Seems to be working, the worker who dug the channel drowned though ;(

Now is there an easy way to clean up the mud?';

'>>1711936
placing a new floor, building a road or farm then deconstructing them, or smoothing.';

'>>1690314
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1884025115';

'>>1703041
There's no 10bux variable. This must be fixed.';

'Because the game got actually worse over time.
2012/13 you had an actually working game. Then when the overworld became interactive, goblin raids stopped happening for most players and you're now just playing untill FPS death kills your fortress.

Adventure Mode got hit even worse. The "new" conversation update is clunky even for DF purposes. The randomly generated names means you need to navigate a forest of gibberish to fond anything. Here's how adventure mode worked before that update
>create character
>spawn in hamlet
>ask for trouble around
>get a target of bandits or night creatures and a location
>game begins and you start killing enemies and get renown so you can recruit more dudes, gather loot, take on stronger enemies


And now?
>create character
>spawn in hamlet
>ask for trouble around
>"there's bandits!"
>ask where
>"Idk lol, maybe ask Urist Poopshit, he might know."
>navigate 4 menus and lists to ask where Mr. Poopshit even is
>"idk lol but Urist McShitpoop might know"
>navigate 4 menus to ask where this guy is
>"he's in a hut to the northwest"
>in one of the thirteen huts to the northwest where 20 dwarves are stacked in each and you have to search through all of them you finally find the guy
>ask where the fucking bandits are
>"idk lol"';

'>>1694306
>You can't create a military-industrial complex to conquer your region or planet.
>You can make your fortress a centre of trade and manufacturing.
>You can't make your fortress a world museum with legendary craftsmen that make cool shit so other dwarfs are races can visit.
You literally can do all of those in DF.
You can send of hundreds of dwarves if you want to raid other settlements and integrate them into your civ.
The new guild and tavern system means that you get plenty of visitors and you can make the most elaborate tavern you want.
Even you last point is possible sans the magic since you can make libraries where foreign dcholars come to read your books your dorfs have written over time.

I don't like DF anymore for many other reasons but you're just full of shit.';

'>>1711883
Aquifer tiles will generate water on the layer below too so you will need to take that into account water leaking throgh the ceiling too when dealing with them';

'>>1712324
Hey, at least the game having to track the duke of northumberlaxonia's bowel movements a continent over on top of the actual game you're playing means that FPS death will come sooner.';

'>>1690231
I get filtered by playing games that feel like its a waste of time. Dwarf Fortress mechanically is cool and has a way better base which the devs can expand on overall whereas Rimworld looks good but is fishbrain tier. Like coding top down with a coding language, compared to Dwarf Fortress' coding being in machine language.

I get filtered hard by Rimworld and filtered less by Dwarf Fortress. Unfortunately I have a brain. Its no smooth brain, but its a brain.

When I came to this conclusion, I was changing the elevation and looking at all the caverns and aquifers etc. and the depth of my flowing moat fort which I built on a hilltop confluence with 4 rivers flowing around it. Rimworld doesn't have the ability to have that and probably won't ever.';

'>>1700132
When you change the z levels with e and c key or mousewheel, you can see it anyway you just have to have certain parts of your brain working to visualise and to do with spatial awareness which is unfortunately dormant and absent in a lot of people';

'>>1711524
Liberal crime squad is sick I hope they do it up an do a steam release kys

Yeah, someone could mod that and do it as a fucking right wing NS version because they literally made a terrorist simulator lol, but no you have to go and be a smooth criminal and not have the ability to perceive that.';

'>>1711031
Not a single game worth buying..kek';

'>>1712492
I remember that you could change the laws so that you could marry dogs in that game. It was really wild.';

'>>1706794
He's not wrong, crunch culture and bad practices have been denounced in AAA gaming for years.

EVERYONE knew it was coming but no one higher up did proper measures to stop it.';

'>>1712180
>10bux variable
a what now?';

'>>1712492
>>1712586
Yeah LCS is a trip and pretty fun.
Just goes to show that he could have made several much better games with his time.';

'they seems to be trying to appeal to the hardcore audience here but their previous public relations say otherwise
a rainbow themed baby faced dwarf merch would suit their company policy better';

'>>1713760
>w-wait we made a mistake, please come back to us core audience!
is what that merch is saying to me.';

'>>1713863
I think it's more along the lines of Fangamer having a better idea of what long-term fans would want than Kitfox.';

'>>1712324
I'm quietly hoping Kitfox will try to fix this. Maybe I'm putting to much hope in them, but for what it was, steam release came out with a lot of bugfixes and some streamlining and Adventure mode needs both.';

'>>1713760
that journal cover could have been better';

'>>1714312';

'>>1714314
>>1714312
these look like shit';

'>>1714436
and so are you';

'>>1714436
Bottom left first doesn't looks that bad';

'>>1714436
cope';

'>>1690314
Rimjobworld';

'>>1694314
>cannot dig and explore underground
>cannot build structures and bridges and mechanisms
why live anon?';

'>>1713760
That tshirt is metal as fuck
would buy for banana price if I saw it on some bootleg street shop';

'is there a way to automate anything at all? I'm talking about
make me 10 iron swords
no i dont want to click to make coal, or smelt ore
is there a way to cut out all these useless processes?

and is there a way to have a grid when building in the free ascii version?';

'>>1715207
Manager orders to aways keep iron and coal stockpilled
Manager orders for 10 of [weapon you want]';

'>>1715207
steam version already automates half of the shit dwarfs do for you
if you dont want to manage anything at all this is a wrong game';

'is this just rimworld but for ppl who got vaxxed?';

'>>1715266
yes the amount of stolen ideas is staggering if i was Tynan i would sue';

'>>1715266
>>1715273
Yeah it came out 2 decades before rimworld but its for people who got vaxxed also it stole all of its ideas from rimworld.';

'If masterwork or whatever it’s called was updated, people would definitely play DF a ton more.';

'>>1716490
lol, lmao';

'>>1690314
Rjw unironically is a must for immersion, just disable the more out there stuff like mechanoid/insect pregnancies and raiders stopping to fuck each other mid-raid or whatever. No need to install nude textures or animations or other coomer stuff.';

'>The update that made nightmare zones was some real shit. I loved it.
>Discovering hell was great.
>FBs with toxic dust/blood is fun.
>Melting goblins with lava or mincing them with traps didn't get too old.

But
>Never ever able to play a full map
>Never ever able to build proper mega structures
>FPS death WILL happen
>Updates once every few years if that
>Every update reduces time to FPS death';

'>>1716590
porn addicted tard';

'chuck fortress';

'Yeah I gotta admit, Rimworld is just simply better.
And it's not even that amazing. That's just the state of brainlet devs these days.
Song of Syx is looking very promising though.';

'>>1716590
Don't forget Dub's Hygiene.';

'I just finished building my fortress, took me 2 hours and there are 12 dwarves there, most of them are happy. What do I do now? Is this it? Do I just keep watching my dwarves go about their lives? That’s the game?';

'>>1719378
>12 dwarves
>finished fortress
No.';

'>>1719423
Well then what do I do? Wait for more dwarves to arrive so I can build more rooms with beds for them? There’s literally nothing else to do.';

'>>1719428
It's a sandbox game, you do what you want. If you have no imagination or creativity, it's probably not the game for you.';

'>>1719429
What am I supposed to imagine here dude? The dwarves just go around living their lives.
> It's a sandbox game, you do what you want
After building the fortress there’s nothing left to do.
Can you invade other settlements? No. Can you LARP as a random dwarf and walk around the fortress doing shit? No.
Can you conquer the world? No.
Can you create a country with religious and political beliefs? No.
What the fuck do I do then?';

'>>1719445
not the anon youre talking to but i like having like 150+ dwarf fort with the smithies deep deep into the ground just above the lava, smithing away making all kinds of sweet dwarven crafts to export.
I also like to create large armies with squads of different weapon types.

It's been awhile since last time i played but i think i was screwing around trying to create a minecart route to make bringing my goods to market easier. Pretty sure i just sent a dwarf to bore straight down from my main floor so other dwarfs could dump the metal and stuff down the chute right to the smithys

Now I want to play again. I don't think I've played since around 0.34 so i'm sure there's lots of new stuff to wrap my head around.';

'>>1719462
Ok, but why are you doing all that? Just so you can watch your dwarves walk around and trade shit? There isn't even combat in the game, you can't even conquer territories or declare war, what the objective here?';

'>>1690668
The game was also stupid simple back in the boatmurdered days. It wasn't actually complex at all, it just looked complex because it was ascii and imagination based and had a really fucking retarded UI

Dwarf Fortress began its backslide when they added z-levels. That was when it started getting more complex without maintaining simplicity - a careful balance that good games always manage to do. Instead they embraced the smug autist nerd retard archetype and made the game more and more complex without at the same time keeping it simple and fun; again it's something you can only understand once you've seen games do it.

Rimworld is one of those games that, while it's very complex, that hack tynan still did what he could to keep it simple. Building homes and decorating them is easy, simple, fun, and I like it. In dwarf fortress I can't dress my dwarves up nice and creating a beautiful fortress mostly amounts to just digging nice patterns into the rock and downloading a good tileset.';

'>>1712763
People aren't being fired because they won't do crunch, they're being fired because 95% of their recently hired workforce, particularly since covid, are woke diversity hire morons who can't code worth a shit compared to white men.';

'>>1719468
you seem to be posting in bad faith
>>1719554
you can dress your dwarfs up and build homes exactly the same way as in rimworld but with much much more control over specifics (paragraph length description furniture embossed with gems and gold etched with great tales of real historic events)';

'>>1719715
It's far more trouble than it's worth to stop dwarves from cross dressing.';

'So this really is the Dwarf Fortress General now?

Since it can't stay alive on /vg/?
I don't mean any disrespect or conflict, I just literally want to understand.';

'>>1707814
>>1707832
i respect dorfbutt's autism to keep bumping the thread when there's no one else in it for days on end, but i hate those pictures so much.';

'>>1719769
I would prefer having an actuall thread, and I mean thread not a general, instead of athis rimworldfag thread, but since he is going to keep bumping this thread until the end of the year, might as well use it as a general.';

'>>1719783
>might as well use it as a general.
You've said that this here is the Dwarf Fortress General';

'>>1719788
I want to avoid using the world general, since it can be used by retards to complain about generals in this board, even tho the board is filled with generals, since you cant count on jannies to have standards.';

'>>1716597
apparently they have refined their update methods now to be more in line with how actual software engineering is made with the use of version control and multiple simultaneous development branches being worked on and tinkered and then more frequent and small updates instead of one every 6 months

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Ux1zeRSx4
>The Big Wait is Dead';

'>>1719993
Yeah this thread is a general, go complain about it to the mods and get it deleted
>and it's also not a strategy game
Im not sure of what you are babbling about on this one however';

'>>1713760
HOLY SHIT THAT IS SWEET!';

'>>1720000
the closest thing to "strategy" was learning how to navigate the autism UI, now that's out of the way, there is no strategy element. I've played for a very long time, no bad faith argument or edge case example will convince anyone who has played the game to any extent.

Dwarf Fortress is not a strategy game.
And: This is the Dwarf Fortress general since it cannot survive on /vg/.
Simple facts.';

'>>1720037
You failed to convince me.
Also, what is the point that you trying to make here?';

'>>1713760
That's actually great.
But you know how it could have been even better? If they generated a unique world for each of those mats.';

'>>1719783
>and I mean thread not a general
What's the difference?';

'>>1720189
On pratice, from a user point of view? None. But when it comes down to mods its a coin toss if they will delete a thread or not.';

'He he he
Dorf butts haha';

'i made an actual dwarf fortress this time';

'>>1719859
>apparently they have refined their update methods now to be more in line with how actual software engineering is made with the use of version control and multiple simultaneous development branches being worked on and tinkered and then more frequent and small updates instead of one every 6 months
I'll always have a place for it, but I think it's going to be a while before I play it again which is a shame since it's already been 4 years';

'Dwarf fortress paid or not paid is good and has a lot of depth.
The people whinging in here are either, unimaginative or have been filtered hard.
I also like rimworld and have significant time in both. But It doesn't even come close to the depth of dwarf fortress.

I have seen some absolutely brain-dead posts itt by people that clearly haven't played it.';

'moo ploompoo hoolamoots';

'>>1719462
>not the anon youre talking to but i like having like 150+ dwarf fort with the smithies deep deep into the ground just above the lava, smithing away making all kinds of sweet dwarven crafts to export.
Yeah you can but there is no point to that.
There is no progression, no way to discover anything that wasnt available at the start of the game, no new tech(magic/alchemy/whatever).
Sieges are trival to beat, entire fortress can survive off one 10x10 field of plump helmets etc.
There is literally no point in doing anything in DF outside some autistic RP shit.
Rimworld despite its many flaws, at least has the end goal and forces constant progress and discovery of new things.';

'here's a dorf recovering in the fort's hospital';

'>>1721329
yea DF is an autistic RP game, if you cant have fun without a quest marker telling you to have fun thats on you';

'>>1721329
Building a fortress is a goal in itself for me. It can always get better';

'>>1721329
Would you prefer it if toady hid game mechanics behind a timer or a progression bar? It would be the same game, it would just take longer for you to be able to do what you want.';

'>>1721329
If you look at Dwarf Fortress as a colony simulator rather than a more traditional game, some of your complaints about the game lose some meaning.
For example, I can say that playing rFactor 2 instead of Gran Turismo is pointless unless I'm roleplaying, because rFactor2 doesn't have a career mode or anything with "progression", you just put any car from the game on the track and drive. GT, on the other hand, makes me get licenses, buy cars, progress through increasingly difficult championships, etc.
But rFactor 2 is a pure simulator and the simple act of driving a realistic car for some will be infinitely more interesting than GT's career and progression.
I've only "superficially" played Rimworld (40 hours) and Dwarf Fortress (about 10 hours). My opinion as a beginner is that the racing simulator analogy above fits perfectly here. Dwarf Fortress totally gives me that "simulator" feeling, unlike Rimworld, so I'd say they're two games in slightly different categories, despite being in the same genre (like GT and rFactor2). However, DF's simulation is still crap and needs a lot of work, and I don't think the autistic guy making the game is really going to deliver what the game needs.
I can already see him dying of a heart attack caused by global warming and never finishing the game...';

'>>1721720
>>1721661
>>1721638
>df fags coping this hard';

'>the falseflagger trying to start shit between RW and DF and the shitposting retard that killed any DF art by spamming his own extremely low quality images are the only ones bothering to bump the thread anymore
Pathetic as always, still mad that these threads exist at all I see.';

'here's a piece commemorating the update where dorfs (dwarfs) were able to climb';

'>>1722450
One of those is the one who made this thread to begin with.
Im just waiting to the new update to drop before making an actuall thread if no one does it first.';

'>>1722307
Rimworld is also retarded and once you've done everything, that's it also - and it's retarded also.';

'>>1694314
Fluid simulation is one of the best parts of DF';

'>>1690192
No dwarf therapist. Dealing with the new system and migrants is too much of a struggle so I quit. The nudevs probably don't play their own game anymore and I doubt toady does very much anymore after 30ish years';

'>>1723060
But Dwarf Therapist is still a thing?';

'Too buggy, building is tedious and Adventure Mode isn't out yet.';

'>>1724008
Janitor applications are closed';

'>>1690192
The dev turned out to be a niggertranny and started to antagonize his audience.';

'>>1690231
As much as I dislike Tynan, the right-click interface made Rimworld a whole lot more accessible compared to DF. In DF, I was fumbling through controls, nevermind consulting the wiki just to know how to do basic stuff. In Rimworld, I can at least abandon the wiki and just experiment with right clicks.';

'>>1724090
You're talking about contextual menus. It seems toady has implemented some in adventure mode. It would be cool to see some of that in fortress mode as well.';

'tell me anons what year do you realistically predict Myth&Magic will drop?
I can't enjoy fortress mode ever since reading about it';

'>>1724491
I honestly thought it would drop last year. So at this point I'm going for 2026.';

'>>1691181
One joke';

'>>1690192
It’s literally been the same shit for the past 10 years. Tranny dwarves will probably get added before shit like currency or magic at this rate.

Also the game should have been finished by the 2010s. There’s no excuse for a game with ASCII graphics to still be in development for 20 years.';

'>>1724665
Tranny dwarves have been in the game for years, Anon.';

'>>1724665
>shit like currency
You kid? How can this game be in development for 30 years and not have currency?';

'>>1719715
>you can dress your dwarfs up and build homes exactly the same way as in rimworld

No you actually can't have you even played EITHER of them?';

'>>1724693
At some point there was an economy system, including currency and dwarves getting paid and buying shit, as well as Nobles changing prices of stuff and mountainhome demanding tributes, but it was so broken and prone to exploit that it was deactivated. Only remains that's still in game (at least in non-steam free version) is an ability to mint coins, but these are just another type of junk you dorfs can make, with no connection to (what's left of) fortress economy';

'>>1724665
>>1724682
See >>1703041';

'>>1724693
It has currency in the sense that every time you trade with a caravan, goods have a certain point value and can be bartered using it as a reference. It's functionally no different than GPs and vendor trash in any other game out there.
Aeons ago when it was less of a household name, the game had a full blown fortress economy. With wages, rent and shops. It was an absolutely broken mess on so many levels that Toady pulled it back and promised it would return eventually, reworked. He he he.
And I really do mean broken. All the coins were physical objects like any other in the game for instance, which meant your dwarves would endlessly lose, drop, find, replace and haul the fucking things between rooms, effectively rendering the fortress permanently on strike the moment you switch from communism to capitalism.
Oh yeah, fortunately you could just ignore minting coins and have the dwarves live with imaginary credit cards. It really was a mess.';

'>>1724491
As it has been pointed out before ITT and as per Toady recent interviews, he will abbandon the update format of large chunks every 2 years or so for a more active and incremental updates, meaning that the first stones of the Myth&Magic update will start either this upadate or in the following ones, since from what ive read, the demigod dificulty will allow you to cast some magic and there will also be magical healing.
So, I suppose that the question now should be when will the Myth&Magic become fully realised?';

'wanna buy this game but don't wanna support troons and fags fuck';

'>>1724749
Donate to him on the official site and then just grab it from the Mega then, nerd.';

'>>1690192
I don't think it's true, but it would be a deserving end. Instead of fixing numerous bugs and generally streamlining the gameplay, they just continue to feature creep.

What surprises me is that there is no unofficial patch, as far as I know. I feel like a game like this would have one.';

'>>1724491
I'm not sure if Toady will ever finish M&M. He first presented a prototype myth generator at GDC 2016. Since then going Steam and finally making a human readable interface has cost him years. The port from ASCII to graphics will supposedly be finished in about two weeks, when adventure mode drops. But only as an opt-in beta at first. It will be "several weeks" (read: months) more after that to fix reported bugs, finish some last features and then release adv mode for real. After that he wants to work on the second half of the "villains & army" arc that had been disrupted by steam years ago. And only after that will he start working on M&M.

My prediction: Work on MM starts this time next year and will last 5 years from there. So a 2030 release. If Toady makes it that far. He's an old and very fat Burger with a very unhealthy lifestyle.';

'>>1724749
see >>1702694 and then
just donate to 20 bucks directly to toady';

'>>1690192
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvDxt6t-igc';

'>>1724753
>>1724932
Are the publishers problematic?';

'>>1725055
Canadian troons who want ot poach and sterilise DF community for their own benefit while also taking a cut from Toady steam paycheck on top of what steam already takes.';

'>>1725061
Do you have proof of any of that?';

'>>1725069
They are Canadians
Canadians = troons
There screencaps of them crying about how talking about killing elves is DF and simillar stuff is a dog-whistle for nazi chuds incels buzzword buzzword and if do you that you will get banned because they want to get rid of the old toxic chuddish 4channer DF community and rimworld influences.';

'>>1725072
There's a distinct lack of proof here.
And just because you hate Canadians, doesn't mean they're all troons. I hate Americans, but I don't think they're all fat inbred slobs.';

'>>1725169
Don't reply to shitposters.';

'undefined';

'human caravans kept getting stuck with the only option being to deconstruct the trade depot, and that counted as seizing their goods and now i am at war with them
any way to make peace not war ?';

'>>1725855
also as a side question, can my dwarfs get accidentally gelded while in combat ? had a dwarf married couple that was pumping child after child every 2-3 years but they suddenly stopped after the husband was wounded in battle with the humans';

'>>1725855
i dont think so but ive never even thought about trying to make peace desu
>>1725857
yes a gelding strike is possible in combat';

'>>1725863
so the only peace i can do is to conquer them all then ? is dwarven medicine advanced enough to heal that poor father ?';

'>>1725755
haha cute';

'>>1725872
>is dwarven medicine advanced enough to heal that poor father ?
Not yet
Maybe in this next update with the procedural magical healing';

'>>1725069
>>1725169
>>1725170';

'>>1725069
>>1725169';

'>>1726166
And he's a mod on their reddit.';

'>tfw i saw a meme frog and somebody did a fantasy racism';

'can 12yos still fuck in the non-steam version?';

'>>1726198
50.01+ is the same whether it's premium or not
only difference is the music and the tileset';

'>>1726198
just mod it. It is just .txt edit to change one value';

'>>1726166
What a piece of shit. This kind of agent should be kept away from any position that might seem "official". The dev of Dwarf Fortress is too autistic to understand something like this, but the work should speak for itself, without interference from anyone, not even the fucking author.';

'>>1726166
>>1726169
Thanks, I just couldnt bother to dig up those to shut up that faggot';

'>>1726903
no worries';

'>>1726903
Those screencaps don't say what you said they did at all.';

'undefined';

'>>1726912
Okay, now they do.';

'>>1726910
Still here huh

>>1726912
thanks again';

'>>1726916
also';

'>>1726915
jej
>>1726916
no worries';

'>>1726915
I'm not really seeing anything about nazi dogwistles and troons but yeah the jist of it is there.
>>1726916
Why wouldn't I be? I don't believe in lumping everything together in one basket, but I do know when to quit. I've been shown the proof, and now I'll quit.';

'>>1726917
they would probably have a fit if they saw this then';

'>>1726922
Oh good, I thought you were going to be one of those faggots who dies on a hill for no reason.';

'>>1726917
They are also funding the DF wiki and at least on elf page someone tried to start a edit war to remove the D for Dwarf content shit talking elfs but at least the admin had the balls to rollback the page and say that D for Dwarf will stay. But wont be surprised if he end up making some concessions, or if kitfox end up in full control of the wiki down the line';

'>>1726928
that wiki can burn for all I care, I ripped everything I wanted from it years ago';

'>>1726928
Why are the troons trying to relate to Elves?
They are clearly Goblins or Rat Man.';

'>>1726933
They are more like Experiments';

'>>1726941
true';

'I don't see why everyone's pretending they give two shits about discord and reddit in the first place.
Things people should actually be concerned about are Bay12's forums, the Wiki, and the censorship of mods on Steam Workshop.';

'>>1726969
because the latter two directly correlate with the same bottom feeders responsible for the reddit and dickscord.';

'>>1726970
Hm. Didn't think about it that way.';

'>>1726971
NTA, but further more, those people are in direct contact and have sway with our easily influenced autistic boy';

'>>1726969
The Bay12 forums are worse. The generals are amazing in that regard. They've always been proud of running anyone off who doesn't share their echo chamber.';

'>>1726992
a shame they're dead, but it was to be expected following the newfag wave';

'>>1726166
>discourage war crime nonsense
What did he do to discourage war crimes, beside the mermaid bone nerf? Pretty sure you can still abuse prisoners.';

'>>1727021
nothing, not even the bone nerf, because the actual reason he nerfed the bone value was because he fat fingered the bone value.';

'>>1727030
>Considering that elfs are still bahave like they aways did, toady still want you to get mad at the elfs because of their bullshit.
And with adventure mode coming up, we'll be able to deliver sweet justice personally again by throwing them off their trees.';

'>>1727030
God, I hate typing on the phone

>>1727021 #
Toady? Like you said nothing besides fixing the value of mermaid bones, which were not the intend value, and why they were being mass murdered anyways.
And considering that the elfs are still bahaving like they aways did, toady still wants you to get mad at them because of their bullshit.';

'>>1716597
Sigh, and the magic update is nowhere in sight because the game was ported to steam... it's been years...';

'>>1727101
B-but anon, look at the mass wave of faggots we got from a 5+ year useless endeavor';

'>>1727101
Ported isn't exactly the right term here, but I get you.';

'>>1727101
we could have had more sure, but some magic stuff has already been worked in with the steam release. I've seen necromancers cast a variety of spells, stuff like ice bolts telekinesis and spontaneous hemorrhaging and I dont remember any of that pre-steam.';

'Isnt the Adventure mode Update going to introduce proceduraly generated magic healing and god interventions as part of of Toady starting the Myth & Magic cicle?
Why people keep saying that he will only do Myth & Magic in 2040';

'>>1727240
I predicted the 2030 release. But yeah, he seems to have done some things already. In the last interview with Blind he mentioned casually that he got pocket worlds working. So perhaps we can be optimistic and guess at a 2029 release lol.';

'>>1690314
Wow theres some pretty boring suggestions here
1. SOS2 - Lets you build a spaceship and actually live in it FTL style, fly it around the planet and land somewhere or fight other ships (I think you can fight other ships, didnt get that far)
2. Real Ruins - Local and online persistent world. If your friend loses a base and you generate a world with the same seed you can settle on the ruins of his base. Same if you lose your own base and generate the same world, you can find it on the same tile. Also replaces vanilla ruins with other players structures
3. Rimwar - instead of raids and merchant caravans being entirely RNG, proximity to other factions is now actually meaningful as their raids will be represented as units that travel on the planet map. Factions will raid their enemies settlements and create new ones
2 and 3 both emulate base dorf gameplay other than the multiplayer part of real ruins';

'>>1727240
both are already there per se.

the magic system already exists, it just has no context, what he's doing is adding myth creating procedurals and linking magic spells to it - but he'll probably add more spell sutff.

also >mod censorship in bay12
u wot m8';

'>>1727115
That shit existed prior anon....for years';

'>>1711031
>The Norwood Suite';

'>>1726917
Total Elf Death. Stomp elf babies, kick elf babies in the head, punch elf babies, roundhouse kick elf babies into trash cans, slam elf babies heads on the pavement';

'>>1727661
That's breaking Official Dwarf Fortress Discord's Code of Conduct. Fantasy racism is racism, get b8';

'>>1727663
>b8
it's b& idiot';

'>>1727682
And yet you ate the b8';

'>>1727703

lel';

'>>1726917
The concept of race is a pure fantasy though.
Regardless, glad I never got involved with DF 'community'.
Also dev is complete faggot for getting involved with these people, but that's not news exactly.';

'undefined';

'>>1727115
To clarify.. Yeah those have been in the games for years that came with the Necromancer update. Not to mention they're just retooled weapons in the files.';

'Any good cooking mods for the last version of pre-steam DF? I just want more recipes for foodstuff';

'>>1727983
One or two yeah';

'>>1726169
hahahahahahahaha';

'>>1726169
>including Pepe the Frog
I would love to see their reaction if they encountered an actual fucking natsoc guy in real life..
If seeing pepe online makes them this mad i would love to see what would they did if they saw a buff, bald dude with Sonnerad/celtic cross or some other legit sign like that.';

'>>1726917
>>1726912
>game was literally founded on "fuck the elves" principle and funni warcrimes and elven killing shit
>some pearlclutching faggot gets his claws in and starts to sanitize the fuck out of it
Every god damned time.';

'>>1728755
>>1728756
This is what you get for allowing weaklings to have any say in your hobby.';

'>>1728797
Indeed.';

'undefined';

'>>1724665
how about we make an actual, functional law system instead of some bureaucratic nightmare first
>there is one vampire in the fortress
>have to manually schedule an interrogation of 300 dwarves
>one by one
>have to manually check every single interrogation log for clues after they're all done
>big chance of it not actually giving any clues
>very big chance of someone admitting they stole a plump helmet 70 years ago in a fortress on the other side of the world
To this day, the most effective way of finding a vampire is by attempting to change a dwarf's name and cancelling out of it.
unless they patched it out, it's been a year since I played';

'>ctrl F Rimworld
>43 results
rent free lmao';

'>>1729257
The power of being a game and not just a loose collection of half-finished simulations';

'>>1690192
Is there a nomad mode to this game yet? I want to pack some dwarves up for a long wandering before I plop them down....';

'>>1729614
you can make a band of traveling dorfs in adventure mode, but I dont think there is a way to go from adventure into fort mode yet.';

'>>1729719
isn't that what DFHack is for?';

'>>1729917
I dont know, maybe you can do that through DFHack.
I only keep DFHack around for the chance that some game ruining bug occurs, or when Im messing up with advanced world gen';

'>>1729257
what did you expect from those unable to play in a sandbox.';

'>>1690192
reddit
steam release
became mainstream
toady got rich and forgot where he came from (crying in the department head's office at A&M)';

'As if we needed further proof of what you are, you fucking faggot';

'Have animals been fixed yet?';

'>>1730081
yes but no';

'>>1730081
quasi-fixed
mass still makes things more powerful, but attributes still can overcome sheer mass.';

'Do we know at what time adv mode will go live tomorrow?';

'>>1730283
some ~20 hours from now supposedly';

'>>1730569
source?';

'>>1730583
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcqk8pdIsCFU32ofbjJkzOg/community?lb=UgkxapfpfAU139vhtQJyRnBXgVCV9XGmKhyS';

'>>1726166
>people having fun? REEEEEEE
what encourages such think?';

'>>1730602
obsessing over current politics non-stop';

'>>1730602
>Kitfox Games is an indie game development studio based in Montreal, Canada';

'>>1730602
fear of sin';

'>>1730609
Day of The Rake can't come soon enough.';

'>>1690192
>max population cap: 8
>hard max population cap: 250
>Savage middle of nowhere
Gonna chill a bit, lost a Fort to a faulty stack pump';

'>>1729249
Did he fix the
>vampire kills someone
>vampire reports the dead dwarf/murder
>vampire keeps doing this until either the player realises or the vampire mood spirals from seeing corpses and solves himself';

'where's the update toad';

'>>1730931
8 hours to go, according to >>1730584';

'So we might actually be back to where we were at in 47.05 finally...after five fucking years?';

'if it does drop I'll add it to the mega when I wake up later before I go to work';

'>>1731069
Thanks';

'so odd seeing all the steam newfags jumping up and down for adventure mode thinking you can live in the woods as a woodworker or build a base and become the king.
of course this too is what i thought DF would have in 2024.. back in 2010. too bad the game gets zero active development and it's really just a neat physics simulator built on top of a mad libs generator';

'the only reason we care that adventure mode is getting back in is so Toady can get off his lazy ass and start working on new things instead of 5+ years of reworking and readding things.
Maybe we will even get new content before the decade is over.';

'>>1731171
>thinking you can live in the woods as a woodworker or build a base and become the king.
to be fair...you can...it just isn't very fun.
And DFHack is needed to make those aspects more interesting via advfort anyways.';

'>>1731171
>built on top of a mad libs generator
oh it's just you again.';

'>>1731171
newsfags are ADHD, of course they want new old content to a game they bandwagon'd onto.';

'I've never played the fortress mode. I only play adventure. Bought the steam version for the adventure mode release today.
I like to level up wrestling/striking/biting and larping as Jack Hanma while murderhoboing random creatures';

'when is adventure mode coming out';

'>>1731206
30 minutes';

'no demigod mode yet';

'why the fuck isn't full personality customization in yet, why wouldn't it just be the same as the old version?
a bunch of the needs aren't even doable but guess I'm forced to have that debuff';

'so, I have it, no new version number, and a few adventure mode features are missing still...Ill upload it as 50.12 (adventure edition)';

'>>1731267
aaand uploaded to the mega.
I need to go to sleep before work, hopefully a mini patch releases in the next few days with the personalities and other features plopped in.';

'where the adventure at';

'>>1731279
you need a world first, dork';

'>>1731283
it's over
I've been fooled, bamboozled even.';

'>>1731284
Grab the one from the mega, or turn on your beta';

'>>1731279
>>1731284
Did you enable the beta branch on steam?';

'>no crafting or butchering
>no full customization of personality
>no demigod mode
What the flying fuck Toady';

'>>1731312
Yeah, back to 47.05 I go until he actually implements the features it had.';

'>>1731312
There's always a catch, huh';

'>full keyboard use still not there, instead it is hybrid kb+m
>[l]ooking around no longer a thing
I am annoyed';

'>>1731324
isn't looking around just automatic? when you put your cursor on something it shows what it is';

'>>1731312
the old demigod mode is just easy difficulty but the demigod mode with a closer relationship to a god he was talking about isn't in';

'>>1731239
>>1731312
>no demigod mode
I thought that was supposed to be the tutorial mode for newbs like me :(';

'>>1701911

Pretty much this. Normies get a boner at anything that is remotely similar to some holodeck game. Add the memes and Dwarf fortress kind of got a larger than life legend to it. Make no mistake it is conceptually interesting and for anyone still making the gameplay vs visuals argument it's their nuke.However it's still an unfinished indie which experientially hasn't changed much. Add that the steam version, which is an effort taking away work into the "actual" game. Then add they focusing on adventure mode, which is the less popular aspect of the game. Add that it is simulation with too little focus on performance hampering more demanding computation and dev done today. Then now that the brothers have "made it", there is the question of whether they will be able to keep working hard at it, which they seemingly haven't been doing the last few years anyway.

So for a lot of players, and especially the veterans dwarf fortress always one ice. Something they return to yearly is a typical thing you hear. For all intents and purposes it's on ice. And with current velocity, there is a fair chance of some other autist catching up with a better engine.';

'>>1690192
playing as an elephant man
barged into some kind of building
kicked a goblin in the neck so hard it collapsed and he bled everywhere, before asking to cease hostilities

talked to him about his family heritage before he suffocated to death';

'>start game
>see a statue
>want to interact with it
>accidentally set fire to some bushes
>go talk with some human guy
>asks if the village has any problems
>says someone keeps abducting people
>the abductor is somewhere far north east
>go in that general direction
>already forgot about who I'm looking for and the log is coming soon
>visit some other hamlet
>beat the shit out of defenseless farmers for fun
>die of thirst because the starting water skin spawns empty
I have no idea how to play this.';

'>>1701911
>>1731343
At least try to not make it obvious, you verbose idiot.';

'>>1731338
Yes, but players could play it nonetheless and roleplay as a spawn of a unnamed deity.';

'>>1731354
there are rivers everywhere if you fast travel on the map you'll see them
apparently quivers are very good for carrying water they carry like 20 at a time, waterskins only carry 3 so they're shit, backpacks carry like 50 which if you're not a big guy is heavy';

'>no butchering or crafting
So until these are in adventure mode is overreliant on towns to get food and outsiders on monster island style worlds are S.O.L';

'If we cant use abilities can NPCs still do it? IE can cats head bump you and shit?';

'>>1731336
True, but I think he was talking about fully keyboard or fully mouse instead of the hybrid we got.';

'>>1731363
I just went to a food market, tried talking to a merchant and it says the trade interaction is "coming soon"

if I can't trade with anyone and I can't butcher animals how am I supposed to fucking eat?????';

'>>1731372
Bravo Toady
Guess you can steal the food';

'>>1731374
yeah I just stole all of the guy's food he was selling and he didn't respond in any way
guess that solves that problem';

'UI design is my passion.';

'>>1731376
Until all the actual fucking features are added back in I guess you'll have to make do as an actual murderhobo.
Ill be playing 47.05 adventure mode in the meantime.';

'Wait...is [b]uilding in (based on some simpler more basic features still not being implemented I'm guessing no)
Also, someone do a quick roll on an adventurer and hike over to a gob pit, I want to know if the fps death field that surrounds dark pits and fortresses still exists.';

'>>1731378
toady what the fuck';

'>>1731382
building is not in yet';

'>>1731378
5+ years';

'what IS in yet';

'>>1731384
Damn...are dark pits still fps traps?
And can you still [I]nteract with your items over campfires?';

'Why release adventure mode if not everything is in?';

'>>1731386
2/3 of the mode
Now the game is 5/6 of what it used to be prior to 50.01 compared to 2/3 before this latest beta release...so there's that I guess.';

'>>1731389
Because his Leaf handlers told him to make a deadline and forced him to release something before it was ready....again.
The joys of linking up with publishers.';

'>>1731390
I don't believe you.';

'>>1731392
...which part?';

'>>1731394
That period. I don't believe you about that period. The one between the other two periods.
Yeah.';

'>>1731400
Fair enough';

'Well, it's underwhelming to say the least';

'>>1731409
I expected adventure mode, and was dissapointed by getting SOME of adventure mode.
Then again, this is a beta branch update...so why the FUCK didn't he just say he had to work on a few more thibgs and just release it as a normal update fully implemented?';

'>continue wrestling
>coming soon';

'>>1731388
went to a dark pit, it was fine
dark fortress is sucking ass
every square is filled with these birds the goblins have as pets so I'm crawling at snail's pace spamming movement keys and enter (for the dialogue) trying to get anywhere while barely being able to see
and if I interact with a locked door on accident it's impossible to get out of the interaction box, lockpicking makes a noise but I am unsure if I need lockpicks or a skill or if I can just brute force it, "bash down the door" makes no noise or any indicator of anything when I click it. Can't even use the exit menu so have to just close the game manually';

'>close game
>coming soon';

'>>1731425
Well...at least dark pits aren't lag fests anymore.
The rest of that sounds fucking awful though.';

'I'm an elephant men.';

'>>>/v/673675487';

'>crashes constantly
maybe in a month...';

'Besides torturing and maiming random people you come across is there anything to do in adventure mode?
My game just keeps on crashing every time I find a Lair?';

'>>1731471
i'm a grizzlybearman';

'Why did they advertise it as returning when it's just a beta branch
That shit should be illegal';

'>>1731599
They did say it was beta on the 50.12 release steam bulletin on march 6.
But yeah. Its clear that if it was up Toady he wouldnt have given a shit about releasing a half baked beta just because it was his birthday and would have hold it ultil its done, or at least wouldt have made a fuss about it.
At least he can now whip putnam into squashing bugs for the actual release.';

'>>1724905
>been nearly 9 years

god steam was a massive mistake wasn't it........';

'>>1731620
Whoa whoa, this is releasing because it's his birthday? That just screams publisher interference.';

'>>1731625
At first I thought it was just the purist larpers that wanted to feel good about playing a game with just ASCII and keyboard controls but now, now I truly get it';

'>>1731625
Maybe it will pay off in the long term because having someone who can actually code working with Toady now. But at moment feels like five years of status quo.
Toady could have used the steam dev time keep working on the game instead, but then we wouldnt have Putnam cleaning up his garbage code.

>>1731630
Seems like. I posted the full announcement on the /v/ thread for some anon if you want to read it. Or just open it on your steam.';

'>>1713760
Wtf are those prices Holy shit
80 euros for a gaming hoodie?';

'>>1731750
The Leafs are trying to grift on the side, having already moved on to other games';

'why are bags so dumb
>icon that tells you if you can put an item in a bag (like if it fits)
>pick up 9 meat
>bag too full apparently, no icon, stuck in your hand
>take your shoes off and hold a shoe in each hand
>grab the meat again
>the entirety of it fits in the backpack just fine since it can't go into your hands
>???';

'>>1731912
First FPS death on steam version. Creature made of fire came and set fire to the caverns, traveling over water didn't do anything to it, slowed my fps to a tick a second.';

'>>1731625
at least we have multithreading now';

'>no powers so no necromancy
guess I'll wait until the actual release';

'so...what the fuck did the mini update for the adventure mode beta do?';

'>>1732058
Probably some hotfixes.
Without they saing what it was about, you can only hope to ask putnam xerself';

'why the fuck my vision is so low underground
are humans just suck?';

'>>1731378
save me dfhack-man';

'damn moving around inside of a fort is cancer';

'>>1732334
Correct. That's why some people only stick to the human settlements, since navigating them is much easier.';

'>>1732339
no i mean my own fort
every move takes at least 3 seconds, there is constant barrage of messages, the vision is super low';

'having to postpone it because no necromancy but
my next adventurer is a Grizzly Bear Man with a battleaxe that stumbles upon a necromancer's slab (a necromancer's tower was attacked and destroyed 40 years ago so the slab is just stored in a mead hall in a nearby hamlet) and goes on a necromantic army invasion. Going to destroy (if possible, else just kill as many as possible) a bunch of towns/cities, kill some giants/ettins for the army and a zombie dragon to ride, then when I get bored retire him somewhere (at the old tower if possible)

then I make a new character (human swordsman probably), eventually gather a large party of companions and attack and kill the necromancer bear. Don't know if the giants and dragon and whatnot will still be there but even if not will still be fun.';

'>>1731414
I am in the same boat. I love these types of games and I love medieval, European fantasy settings. I was hoping DF's adventure mode was going to scratch it but unfortunately not. I guess its back to COQ for me.';

'>>1732734
>I am in the same boat
No, you obviously didn't understand what my post was saying.
I just wanted adventure mode back.';

'>>1732341
Just switch your movement speed to sprinting when in largely populated areas so the game won't generate so much shit each time you move.
Accidentally going prone in a huge fortress and not being able to get back up because every tile is covered by someone is absolute suffering, each movement generates like 4-5 pages worth of conversations and actions';

'>>1696362
I'm a literal dogfucker and even I know that you're a mentally ill sissyfaggot who will never become a real woman, that's still salty how not even 4cuck degens won't tolerate you (even if almost all moderators are your fellow failsons with festering axewounds where their gonads used to be, but that's not the point ATM).';

'>>1711620
>elliot rodger couldn't either
Because he was an autistic retard who didn't take the easy route to get laid by saying upfront to vapid holes how his dad is a literal Hollywood film co-director.';

'>>1733005
>I'm a literal dogfucker
Discord user moment...';

'>>1727599
>>1727973
oh my b';

'im spinning up a new fort to make my own necromancer tower now that I can reliably retrieve a book/slab. does becoming a vampire still make you friendly to the hordes of UD in the towers?';

'>>1733029
Being any kind of undead should make you friendly to other undead, yeah.';

'>>1733037
nice thanks, humble beginnings for "Towerskulls" but in time the world at large will know to fear the name.';

'>>1726917
meanwhile songs of syx dev is like
>added more racism this path';

'So I joined the DF-beta and got the idea to smash a fish (a pike) to death and put it in my backpack. That was no problems. Then I wanted to get the skull or skeletal parts out of the fish's useless corpse. Since crafting and butchering are disabled features I was forced to get creative. What I did was that I threw the fish at a tree trunk hoping that the fish would split apart or explode upon impact. I successfully crashed the game by doing so.';

'Is Steam version better or is the Bay12 one better?';

'>>1733190
They are on the same version.
Its all a matter of if you want to pay for the premium graphic pack + ost or play with the free ASCII tileset
Outside that, the only real advantage of the Steam is the steam workshop and not having to manually install mods and DFhack';

'>>1732793
That is what I was saying. Not having full adventure mode with tons of missing features sucks big fat dick.';

'well at least one thing is good
https://youtu.be/doYVmFmlHNY?si=Ri8BjdsXWf_c0H6v';

'>it's going to take another year to implement all the features that already existed
life is, in a word, pain';

'>>1733440
I mean it's par the course for DF updates to be unfinished, but this is ridiculous.';

'>>1733440
I can understand the rest, but how hard could be implementing that wrestle button?';

'okay dwarfs have much better vision underground but moving around in your fort is still cancer
i need to think hard about what to do in this mode';

'>>1733440
I don't know the history of dwarf fort but... it can't seriously take that long to implement shit that was already in the game, can it? I just want necromancy..';

'>>1732896
it barely helps with anything plus you get tired
performance is absolutely horrendous, he should fix that instead of adding anything new first';

'>>1733440
Steam Fortress was a fucking mistake
>>1733503
oh you, this man's update philosophy can be boiled down to pic rel...DF's update rate is glacial almost bordering on geological.';

'>>1733440
>>it's going to take another year
Sir, it doesn't say that anywhere in there.';

'>>1733525
>beta will last "quite a bit longer" than a few weeks
>which means best case scenario is around 6 months
>but it's going to be the worst case scenario because it's toady';

'>>1733525
friend, you aren't taking into account Toady-time';