'>>1709968
lucky nations';

'>>1709968
>post your maps!
here's rougly my current bot boardgame campaign using eu4's provinces
im brandenburg';

'>>1710612
more accurate';

'G*ds, I hate the HRE...';

'Is the next update going to be the last one?';

'>>1709968
>making a EU IV thread when EU V has been unofficiallly announced

No one cares about this pseudo board game anymore';

'>>1709968
I tried to get into this game a few times but I feel so lost. Any tips? My fave paradox games are Vicky II and HOI IV.';

'>>1710727
The last major one, anyway. Considering it's just them sprucing up parts of the world that needed a touch-up, I'd say it's likely the finale before EU5.';

'>>1710772
I couldn't really tell you how to play desu mate since I "learnt" it so long ago but there are plenty of beginner guides on YT, I would search for Radio Res beginner guide where he plays castille to get a general overview of the game and then Lord Forwind has a video about an hour long with some more advanced tips.

The game isn't that hard but there's just a lot to get through to be able to play it optimally, my main advice would be: Get big allies let them fight for you, eat the little guys first since they are easy to beat, focus on provinces which are centres of trade, your religion, your culture, and as a beginner try to make a strong stable nation. When you get more advanced you can stretch yourself thinner.

>>1710768
EUV isn't out yet though and I'd rather talk about EUIV here than in the cancer that is /gsg/.';

'>>1710768
>EU V
Even when it's out, it won't be playable until like 1 year and 4 DLC's in.';

'>>1710768
It's going to be a year minimum but probably longer before EU V comes out. I wouldn't be surprised if they squeezed out one more EU IV DLC after the next one.';

'>>1710834
>turks avoid egypt and just blob into iran instead
I have never seen such a thing';

'>>1710834
>cancer that is /gsg/
>No, Vic 3 is not good yet. In fact it never will be. Neither will EU5.
What's up with them?';

'>>1711368
turned into a hideout for shitposting retards after vst became a thing';

'I am an autist and I have created a new game mode where one of my generals is my "king" and can only conduct foreign policy and administration when present at the capital. Armies have to follow strict orders except the main general's. He can change orders by sending other generals with an escort of cavalry to intercept an army. I track the orders by changing unit names in the army, so the first regiment might say "besiege Paris" and the second might say "return to Toledo". If there's an enemy army in the way, my army will just march into them, because my general didn't tell them to go around.

Did I mention that I am autistic?';

'>>1711395
Are you winning, son?';

'pagancucks... amirite fellow pedos?';

'In an MP game right now with a couple guys as Egypt
Just lost a War to Portugal and don't know how I'm going to come back
My Plan A is to No CB invade Peru';

'>>1711759
>MP
>Literally nobody in India
>Anon plays on Egypt and wants to go to the fucking Peru of all places
What the fuck is wrong with you?';

'>>1711368
>What's up with them?
Literally the most negative, shitposty, cringe general I've ever been in where they make it a point to answer you but never reply to your actual post because of some ego thing.

>>1711759
I've never played MP but go east bro, always follow the trade routes and funnel it into alexandria. Also you need to maximise trade power in Alexandria because it will bleed into the 3 nodes it goes into.

>>1711345
>I have never seen such a thing
Neither have I honestly, feel like this game the nations consolidated very quick and it's just a load of superpowers compared to what usually happens. I wonder if it has something to do with me playing HRE and poland not holding Lithuania. Anyway look at the mil ideas france has taken, I'm terrified of them.';

'undefined';

'Thank you spain for dying for my conquests.';

'>>1710768
its called project caesar not eu5 you big dummy';

'>>1712464
I love how the map looks like, which graphics mod are you using?';

'any mods focusing on italian states? making them more flavourful?';

'>>1710834
Not original asker but:
I was told to play Castille as tutorial. I tried to play it a lot but I basically instantly lose as soon as the 100 years war ends, as France decides to gangrape me and get as much provinces as they want from me.

>Get big allies let them fight for you
In my most succesful game, I rushed to get Navarra as a vassal, got the PU with Aragon and allied Portugal.
Then I conquerer Morocco but I had to fight all the wars alone. My allies didn't join or did basically nothing. The war was absolutely horrible. And before getting the Aragon PU, getting to conquere Granada was an absolute pain despite having allies as, imo, the war system is fundamentally broken and doesn't make any sense. Granada could just keep fighting forever and despite having sieged everything in the country, I had to fully siege and beat the whole North African army to get to win the war while my allies did nothing.

Why the AI allies do things and mine don't?

Then, after a lot of trouble, I managed to get almost all Morocco and Granada after a couple of wars, get Aragon's PU and I was feeling strong. I wanted to try to colonize the New World to kinda follow the historical path so I can try to understand this mechanic as I didn't did it before in the rest of my attempts and I wasted a ton of resources trying to know how it worked and losing the colonies because I didn't know I had to have soldiers on them. Then after putting soldier, the revolts were just to high so they beat my soldiers after a couple revolts and I couldn't send more soldiers in time to avoid losing the colony... I ended up kinda tilted.

Keep in mind, this is game is older than current patch and I have the vanilla game; I mean without DLCs. So boats break magically as you travel throught the ocean so it was extremely hard to reach North America to colonise. Central/South America was impossible to reach. I just couldn't no matter how much I tried.

1/2.';

'>>1712727
2/2.

After that, after a while, getting back my resources I wasted and doing basically nothing, the 100 years war ended with France winning. And eventually, they declared war on me (I was their rival, but they went for a claim casus belli I think I remember) and I had Portugal, Aragon and Navarra (or did I annexed it already?) join me in the war against France and their allies.
My allies just sitted on their capitals doing nothing as France sieged the Basque Country with a doomstack that I have no chance of beating. Specially if my allies don't even join my army.

After trying to siege back things, France's army that had it's vassals attached basically just jumped on me, wiped my whole army and sieged everything they wanted and I lost half of northern Spain in the peace deal they made after I got to -100% war score.

And then I quited the game and stopped playing.

I tried playing Ming too, since I was extremely mad that everytime I play this game, my allies do absolutely nothing and I was like "Ming is the biggest country, I'm sure I won't need allies..." but I ended up losing a battle 100k vs 45k or so of horsefuckers and I rage quitted.
I basically having 200k of army I got beatten up by armies 1/4 the size multiple times. Literally makes no sense.
The only think it makes me thing is that the war and diplomacy system of this game is fundamentally broken or it is behind paid DLC.

My main Paradox game is CK2, btw.
I never had any situation like this ever on CK2. I have done the Roman Empire multiple times and I am extremely good at the game (I'm 2k hours in already) so I don't fucking understand ANYTHING of what's going on on EU4.

Any idea?

I haven't managed to play a game that reached 1600 yet without getting mad.';

'>>1712662
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2870661055

>>1712727
>>1712728
I'll try and answer everything as best as I can and please note that I am speaking with the assumtion you have all DLC activated.
>I was told to play Castille as tutorial
Their start is a little less noob friendly as it used to be as you have disasters to navigate and getting the aragon pu can take a while depending on RNG. Definitely follow your mission tree and get Navarra then Granada.
>Then I conquerer Morocco but I had to fight all the wars alone. My allies didn't join or did basically nothing.
You don't need to go too fast into Morocco, It really doesn't benefit you too heavily if you look at the religion + trade node you can't extract that much value from it early game. Always follow the trade for conquests, so yes the Safi node is upstream from you and so you should conquer it eventually but consider how much you will pay to get it early it isn't that profitable. When it comes to using allys you want to be making sure you have the favours to call them in and make sure they are able to get across the straight so they can actually fight in North Africa. The AI is still dogshit sometimes.
>colonies because I didn't know I had to have soldiers on them
Choose a different colonial focus which removes uprisings completely, the increased settler chance isn't worth the manpower you lose.

Losing to France is nothing to be ashamed about, if they do well in the hundred years war they can get giga scary fast and that's out of your control, really you need to look at your rivals and ally their rivals e.g. Burgundy or Austria as a way to hugbox them and defend yourself. Remember the AI won't declare on you if it doesn't think it has more troops that you and your allies.

Don't play Ming, they have so many disasters and mechanics to deal with I've never even played them but basically you can stack wipe 30k ming army with a 15k horde army due to mandate mechanics.';

'>>1712761
>I haven't managed to play a game that reached 1600 yet without getting mad.
Honestly sometimes I don't make it to 1600 due to bad play from me or just getting cockblocked by RNG in the game and I have 1.8k hours. It's just the game, the premise is simple but there's so many mechancis to keep track of and possibilites for bad RNG to cuck you that if you make a bad decision it could be run ending.

>I never had any situation like this ever on CK2. I have done the Roman Empire multiple times and I am extremely good at the game (I'm 2k hours in already) so I don't fucking understand ANYTHING of what's going on on EU4.
The game's are completely different, for example I've tried to play HOI4 and I have no idea bro and I can't understand the division designer and why they are good or bad so it just shows every PDX game is different and has it's own mechanics to learn. People in the community are still finding new ways to exploit mechanics and there is a wealth of information on YT if you really wanna dive deep into the mechanics and learn. I would always recommend watching guides on specific things for this game you can't rly just wing it there's too much to learn.';

'Is there any reason to play Teutonic Prussia(either of the 2 HRE paths)? It feels an inferior version of Brandenburg Prussia';

'>>1712907
It's cool?
Isn't that enough?';

'>>1712932
After 1500 it's 90% the same game so I'd rather start with the better option.';

'>>1712937
It is for you, lmao.
After 1500 I haven't done literally anything in the game yet.';

'EU4 isn't about knowing everything, but knowing enough to play the game, learning something you missed, and then wanting to play again but better this time.';

'>>1712960
That's literally how life itself works...';

'>>1712962
woah... europa universalis the fourth is just like a simile of life itself as...';

'>>1712940
What are you doing with either tag that your gameplay doesn't converge by 1500?';

'>>1713028
This is what I'm doing?:
>>1712727
>>1712728';

'Best country for colonizing fast the new world? I've been planning to do a chill colonization game for a while.';

'I'm pretty bored with the run now, might just change my ideas so I can get the for the empire achievement and call it a day, thinking of doing anglophile next. Feel like I've been cockblocked and boxed in this entire run but I'm invading France directly in 2 years at the end of the truce timer and I'm carving them the fuck up.

>>1713418
Spain/Portugal/England are the best choices.
Portugal: Fastest start but your economy is in the gutter and if you're not happy to sit on your hands you might end up ruining yourself which is something I struggle with.
Spain: Basically Portugal but stronger militarily but you have to navigate a disaster + game the Iberian wedding early then you can start to colonise but you will be slower at the start than Portugal.
England/GB: Either PU france or get rid of your continental holdings, go Explo/Expansion and you are probably the best colonizer in the game from that point especially being able to choose what trade good is in your colonized provinces.';

'>>1710768
top keke at you for not being able to use Paradox's last 11 years to predict what is going to happen with EU5 (it will be shit and will take 6 years to get to a """playable""" state with 1/3 of EU4s features)';

'>>1713418
England is the best choice by far if you min/max the timing on some mission rewards. If you set up expel minority colonies as free you can have insane amounts of provinces being colonised at the same time. iirc you even get a siberian frontier on cape town which should always be bum rushed anyways.
England is so OP at colonising now that even if you release the 13 and play as them, they are also too OP.';

'Why is colonization so boring in this game? I've decided to play in Europe for the first time in months and picked Portugal, and holy shit, this is the most annoying and uneventful campaign imaginable. There's literally nothing to do after the first 30 years other than fight the Tunis-Ottomans alliance over and over. Everything else is a waiting game. Even those colonial wars are shit due to my tech advantage.';

'good morning sirs, I FUCKING HATE governing capacity';

'>>1715880
I know it feels bad but you gotta half-state bro
Did you give that burgher privilege?
What are your ideas?';

'>>1715567
back to /gsg/';

'>>1715880
I mean honestly is the game fun at this point?';

'>>1715978
Fuck me, I forgot about half-stating and full cored basically every European province. Should I full core only provinces with primary and accepted cultures and leave the rest half-stated?
>burgher privilege
you mean the land rights one? I gave that one to the nobility, since the mission tree gives that privilege buffs to absolutism
>ideas
completed diplo, religious, quality and trade.
I'll pick admin ideas as the next group once I reach tech 18.';

'>>1716052
it depens on your idea of fun, personally I like blobbing campaigns';

'>>1716069
never ever finished an eu game. usually im top 3 by 1600 and then i just start it over with other mods';

'>>1716057
>you mean the land rights one? I gave that one to the nobility, since the mission tree gives that privilege buffs to absolutism
There is one that reduces gov cost on trade centers and estuary
>completed diplo, religious, quality and trade.
Admin and infra help there, when you get to tech 22 the problem is also alleviated.
You could also use some pronoia';

'C';

'>>1717554
cute flag mod please post you bloody';

'>>1717554
bloody bastard bitch! showing me the fag mod now!';

'I have returned from a bowel infection which has destroyed me for 4 days so no progress on this campaign but I am stopping at this point as a i have no more motivation to play this one.

>>1716057
You should only state areas that are accepted culture or in your cultural union AND on your sub continent. When it comes to regions off your sub continent you want to Trade Company the estuaries and trade centres so you get extra merchants. I'm not sure what you are supposed to do with constantinople as Byz tho.

>>1718219
>>1718227
Waifu Universalis';

'>>1718376
forgot pic';

'I pirated the dlc and put it into the right folder. I have creamAPI but I don't really know what it does.
so I just get this when launching the game and when actually starting it it's clear that I have none of the dlc
what do I do?
if I like the game I'll buy the dlc next time there's a turbo-huge bundle for 20 bucks but I've just been playing some vicky ii lately and wanted to give eu iv a try';

'>>1718600
Never used creamapi but if you have problems you can always go to that Russian forum for answers.
What I can also tell you is that if you want to try the full game you can go find the whole game in elamigos or dodi, or even the GoG version pretty easily.';

'Playing 1.36 Byzantium, literally just pressing buttons amd getting stuff. Not sure who told them people want Byzantium to be easy';

'>>1718600
Have you checked in game if you actually have the dlc? If it's pirated the launcher will always say unverified ownership but in game they'd be enabled';

'game could be fun it wasnt so mana focused, retarded mechanic';

'>start a Florence playthrough
>One day before I declare war on Bologna, they ally a german minor, thus forcing me to siege some worthless kraut region
>Next, declare war on Ferrara- which is allied to Ragusa
>"good, I can now vassalize both"
>one week before the last siege tick of Ragusa, fucking Venice decides to launch a war of conquest on it
>War exhaustion through the roof and treasure through the floor by the end of it (but whatever at least I got a province from the swamp italians)
>plan to attack Genoa for some money after my war exhaustion disappears
>goddamn Burgundy attacks Liege and Austria calls me to arms but abstains from calling the rest of its allies';

'>>1718831
yeah it says I don't own it in game too
>>1718668
I've been looking on cs.rin in the eu iv thread but nothing seems to answer my questions
>captcha: J0YPDX';

'>>1718941
>I've been looking on cs.rin in the eu iv thread but nothing seems to answer my questions
You can always write your question in the creamapi thread, but be specific about the problem.';

'I am pretty hype for the next update. A great deal of replayability in NL and Venice alone.';

'>love blobbing
>too pathetic to stab my allies in the back when they get in the way
anyone else got this problem?';

'Saxony rises!';

'Hope this shit stops in EU5';

'>start watching Shogun
>suddenly have the urge to play as a daimyo
>just finished my campaign as pirate republic Kono
>tfw thinking of playing another daimyo or a European/Middle Eastern country and rushing to Japan to establish Christendom/Muhammadom in the Japans

Fuck. What do?';

'>game hits 1700
>starts freezing for almost a minute every few in-game days

WHY HAVEN'T THEY FIXED THIS YET';

'>>1721768
They can't fix it, it's a flaw with the engine running on one core';

'>>1720360
Pick the Daimyo that has ninja ideas then do a full on RP shady bastard run.';

'Does anyone know where the AI’s decision weight on the outcomes of Imperial Incidents is saved?
>playing Burgundy -> Netherlands to shake off the rust before the Netherlands update
>want to inherit my Low Countries stuff for free so I have to go with the Hapsburg heir in the Succession
>also want the emperor to Grant Concessions to France because I will lose it anyway when I form Netherlands
>really don’t want the emperor to release the Low Countries instead';

'>>1720360
playing Knights -> Jerusalem, seizing Suez and island hopping to Japan was a fun run
Ottomans will come by and steamroll you soon, leaving you cut off from Europe. Extremely comfy.
You can even integrate the Sohei into your Crusade State if you culture flip Japanese, LOL';

'Current Russia game we have some rare things going on.
>AI Mughals
>AI Egypt
>Sardinia is free
>Tunis has been relegated to 4 provinces
>Big Morocco
>Genoa owns Tunisia
>Big Papal State
>France getting dominated

And despite Ottomans being relatively contained they still take quantity and can still output 156k troops right now, god I fucking hate them.';

'>>1723530
invite the mughals and/or egyptians in for an ottoman gang bang';

'>saw a 7/100 chance siege event happen 5 times in a row
Maybe I should play the lotto.';

'>>1711759
Just finished another Session
I have conquered Peru and Venezuela and am almost fully westernized from the Egyptian government
I have dropped my former ally of France in favor of the Iberians';

'Thoughts on drilling?
Seems pretty shitty since you lose the guys to attratiom and you lose professionalism from mercenaries';

'pagancucks... amirite fellow pedos?';

'>>1724386
Professionalism is a good modifier and so drilling can be useful to raise that but in my expierience you'd be better served just spamming generals and keeping the money you save on army maintenance on improving your economic snowball. Although the strudent did just put out a vid on army drill so.

https://youtu.be/19PmK1zyLV0?si=I6WcSZ4bQ2CQIZf4';

'give me some objectives for an RP Milan run (no Roman borders)';

'>>1724812
>give me some objectives for an RP Milan run (no Roman borders)
I did this many years ago, but I went Ambrosian republic and eventually formed Italy. It let you keep the republic form of government while forming Italy, IIRC. I tried to have little mountain march vassals on my borders, IIRC Switzerland and Styria or Tyrol or whoever the green one you can pop out of A*stria is. Think I'd planned on Roman shenanigans (sailing around the Med and whupping ass) but got bored once I had the whole boot unified.';

'>>1724820
>It let you keep the republic form of government while forming Italy, IIRC
Yeah you should be able to do that since you can do a pirate republic japan or a merchant republic Russia. Having the alps as a vassal wall sounds pretty interesting though. Did you know that Milan now has a mission that upgrades all forts so that you can get level 4 forts 100 years early?
It can make the northern routes into Italy unsiegable.';

'You should welcome this "pain". You grow and you encounter new challenges. As soon as you become an unrivaled hegemon, Paradox games turn into a color book (well, any strategy really).';

'What is the best way to utilize Golden Era? I'm doing my first campaign with this DLC activated and the bonuses seem nice but it can be used only once per campaign so I want to make the best of it.';

'>>1725370
If you have no plan on when to use it then bang it in early when the plus morale is more relevant. It's likely you are going to be steamrolling late game anyways.
An example of a plan would be
>I'm going to take as much of china as possible in the 1700s so I need the extra absolutism';

'>>1725370
Typically pop it before a big war that you can snowball off of.';

'>>1725402
>>1725404
Thank you, I think it'll prove to be useful as the country I'm about to fight (again) has a comparable number of troops and discipline but their 3-star generals kept fucking me over last war.';

'It's not fair bros I love my 5/5/5 memelord sforza but he is just too greedy it seems.
Maybe I could keep him, go to being a (boring) duchy and go for The Emperor?';

'Contemplating breaking this truce just to get the pu's here, honestly feel like it might be worth it or I might just watch if he gets an heir and save scum constantly but I think that might be more trouble than it's worth.';

'>>1726069
>save scum constantly
I've done this before and it doesn't feel good afterward haha. Take the gamble and break the truce.';

'>>1726156
I made it through but I was intending to do the odd save scum here or there but he never got an heir. I've had some insane luck with PU's recently, not sure if it's luck or I'm just getting better at taking advantage of my situations. Either way this looks like an easy roman empire.';

'>>1726159
Very based. I'm going to bed now but post the aftermath map.';

'>>1725865
Chadcesco Sforza >>> Gaybrosia Republic';

'>>1726207
worked through my mission tree now, have Bohemia as a PU all that is left to do is whittle down Austria so I can get the mission to PU him and take otver the venice node completely. France has taken quality ideas and I fought as a Venitian ally, he is terrifying 80k+ toops with 115% discipline and their ridiculous morale bonus.';

'Hey bros, been meaning to learn EU4 for a while. My background in grand strategy games is just a few thousand hours in CK2, if that even counts.
How hard is picking up EU4 going to be?
Also, I have most of the DLCs, barring Domination, Conquest of Paradise, King of Kings, and Lions of the North from friends that had spare codes and whatnot over time, any of those worth grabbing up front?';

'>>1711382
>turned into a hideout for shitposting retards after vst became a thing
Bro, /gsg/ has been utterly full of shitposting retards years before /vst/
What it is now is indescribable';

'>>1726230
Destroyed Austria for my mission to get the permanent modifier to diplio annex cost, then switched to byzantium for the superior ideas. Most of the hre want to join a coaliton against me but I don't think it will fire.';

'>>1726308
Going from that much CK2 to EU4 is much, much easier mechanically and logically. Maybe watch a video on combat width, army composition, stat modifiers and dice rolls that should be 20 minutes or so max.
No DLC for EU4 is worth paying money for. Get it all through cream api off cs.rin.ru
Even if you don't most of it is bloat or flavour for certain tags.';

'>>1726308
start as Ottoman (the strongest nation in the game) or Castille (gonna teach you some colonization while you're on it)
as other anon said it's gonnabe easy, though you will have to look up stuff like trade efficiency if you want to min max';

'Starting to snowball finish admin ideas and integrate naples now. Going to massively push to kill all the muslims in the middle east and go for india since venice is nearly 100% conquered.

>>1726308
People here will tell you that the game is simple but nearly everyone here has 100's on hours and imo a game isn't easy if you need that much time to learn it. I have 1.8k hours and I'm really not that good compared to some people but the game becomes more simple the better you get at it because you realise what's not important and what is. I advise you watch some guides on specific mechanics Radio Res and Reman's Paradox, these 2 creators made the best tutorial style content for beginners. If you want to get more advanced at the game then look at Budgetmonk and The Student but you probably won't be at a skill level to be able to implement their techniques yet.

Also this is the most important video to anyone who gets semi good at the game https://youtu.be/7Rs_zAVvVmo?si=QVV_ksj4P1_dBdOj';

'What should be my next campaign, Rassids to Arabia, Ardabil to Persia, or Karabakh to Armenia?';

'>>1726944
curious chose of stating';

'>>1726958
if you mean the area in Turkey that was diplo annexed and isn't stated. This is the state mapmode.';

'>>1726959
Any reason for not accepting the Turks?';

'>>1726959
I accepted them through the byz mission tree when I tag switched however I only ever state my subcontinent as I want to trade company every estuary and trade post in every other subcontinent in order to maximise traders, also I don't have the gov cap to state anymore than I have.';

'I feel that sometimes it's RNG on how good your allies will be in a war. For this entire game fucking Mainz has been an absolute beast. Here they are just wandering around the Po Valley stackwiping shit while I am bogged down skirmishing in the venetian balkans';

'SOON';

'>>1727149
Does the AI behave more competently than vanilla or is it still a dice roll?';

'Late game, how tf does an African army 1) have the same mil tech as the rest of Europe 2) beat my mercenaries with 1:2 troop ratio

Do I just suck at this game or did they juice the Africans bc they hate eurocentrism, also to be fair I'm playing a ck2 conversion';

'>>1727462
1. why wouldnt they
2. you suck';

'>try to play any nation out of europe
>already unified Japan, so not trying this again
>take Najd
>get fucked because I don't have the DLC that gives me the overpowered missions
>take Khmer
>get filtered by modifiers fucking the country constantly
>take Charrua
>get instantly bonked by Castillian Brazil
How do I even get good? Also, what are interesting nations to play outside of the main ones in Europe?';

'>>1727469
any horde nations if you never done that.
Ethiopia
bengal';

'>>1727465
Central african tech would prevent them from keeping up, no?';

'>>1727482
Are you a time traveler from 2012?';

'>>1727462
Because institutions are completely broken and spread way too fast meaning they can keep up in tech after age of absolutism. The only thing you really have over them is your unit pips from whatever tech group you are from.';

'>>1727484
I haven't played since around 2015 yes, the new DLCs are a lot to take in';

'>>1727494
Is that not pretty ahistorical? The AI would never be able to colonize then?';

'>>1727505
It's colonizing fine, you still have to fuck up really badly to fail against american or african natives lmao.';

'>>1727511
The central african provinces are controlled by african nations of equal mil tech';

'>>1727516
now check the central african trade income and development';

'>>1727285
It's still a dice roll. If it's small stacks you can get them to attach to your armies with almost 100% certainty. I could play the same game again and Mainz would just be waddling about in Denmark doing something every war.
Maybe not quite that bad but you get the picture.';

'>>1727282
great, more bloat and event windows';

'Italy update when?';

'>>1727471
This. Jianzhou is a nice, anti-turtling game with lots of different RP outcomes to pick from.';

'>>1727788
2 or 3 weeks probably, I'm sure we'll get a release date for the next dlc this week. They've already shown off all the regions they said they were going to hit so that only leaves the usual pre-release filler dev diaries';

'any quick tips for meiou 3.0? im particularly interested in how investing, estates and building shits work';

'>>1726966
I'm becoming exhausted with this campaign now, lithuania broke off my pu because of rebels while i was busy in india. Just one more job i've got to take care of whilst truce juggling and playing rebel whackamole, feel like I can't play for more than 30 mins now without getting exhausted.';

'I could use a 'lil advice. Starting up Muscovy for the first time, and it's been a minute since i've played so i've forgotten some mechanics.

How am I to Personal Union Ryazan or Tver? Do I just eat the -1 stability loss when claiming their throne for a war despite ongoing royal marriage?';

'>>1728844
Why are you trying to PU them? They're too small to really be worth it, and your diplomatic situation is pretty much tied up to begin with.
You'll have to eat the stab hit (unless you grab diplo), but it's better to just annex outright';

'>>1728853
I was thinking of trying to PU Ryazan so I could feed it the Sunni lands i'd be taking from the Golden Horde, and was worried that if I didn't establish those positive relations off the bat that Lithuania might get involved in their defense. Will just try to directly annex like you suggest tho.';

'>>1728347
This series of tutorials should still be useful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVmbSMlB8Yw&list=PLTLH5xzGKAon-Ko4aIusxSjZM0JirZdsZ&index=5
Other than that don't overinvest, remove as many privileges as you can but don't piss off nobles too much, else the military unit limit will be reduced by quite a lot.';

'>>1729012
god building shits in this mod is just overcomplicated, unintuitive and janky as fuck! any chance they'll discard this autistic shit in the future?';

'>>1729012
>else the military unit limit will be reduced by quite a lot.
It'll also tank your income in general most places rely on nobles for a decent proportion of income.
>>1729033
The mod was hacked into the base game with a hatchet. More shit than the building is unintuitive and janky. That's a big reason people are excited at the idea of a game being made with these systems in mind from the beginning.';

'>>1729315
when do i know if an infrastructure project ive commissioned is finished for example? I don't see any progress bars';

'I've never seen the ai blob so fast, especially into hre
gonna help the powers absorb all of the minors and then start a three way war';

'Do you guys play exclusively ironman mode?';

'>>1729555
No.
In fact, I usually only do Ironman if I'm going for a cheevo for whatever reason. Only real point to it unless you lack self-control';

'>>1729555
sure, far more fun than regular. You actually start thinking strategically and not just save scumming battles, wars and events. Especially if playing on very hard, every decision matters and can fuck you up decades later. Everyone who doesn't play on ironman either has god tier self-control or are cowards and should be banned from all eu4 discussions.
I still remember my Brandenburg game, where I got partitioned by a coalition maybe 50 years after starting. Rather than quit, I kept going and conquered Europe by the end. That was the most fun playthrough I've had in a paradox game.';

'>>1729588
Your attrition numbers are blasphemous. Repent immediately.';

'>>1729592
lmao that is twice the population of my country';

'>>1729555
No, because I like to use the console for things that I should, as a nation, be able to do that the game does not allow. For example, I was playing a 13 Colonies game and I wanted to get the Commonwealth (who had rivaled GB for some reason) to support my independence. However, they hadn't discovered my nation yet. So I used the console to tag switch and make them discover me, which I easily justified as me sending a delegation to Warsaw explaining the situation';

'>>1729615
Based and RP pilled.';

'>>1729592
how would I even go about that? apart from microing every army and siege. Honestly at that point, manpower stopped mattering much, whether I lost 10k or 100k just couldn't change a thing.';

'>>1729555
nah! I gotta yesman white peace whenever Naples called in Riga in a war';

'>>1729633
>apart from microing every army and siege';

'>>1729633
I note that your base stack is 50k. Every armee is 50k. The max combat width is 40. Have 40s of frontline and 40s of artillery. Have the artillery arrive 1 day after the frontline. Feed more frontline detachments in as needed to refill morale or frontage. I also note that you do not have a full or even half a back row of artillery, while the AI does. This is another reason for your lopsided casualties.';

'>>1729701
what the fuck is 50k arty in this game anyway?? how many fucking cannons are we talking about exactly in this abstract board gamey trash cunt of a game??';

'>>1729708
>how many cannons is 50k
50k cannons is 50k cannons. We aren't dealing with imaginary numbers of cannons.';

'>>1729701
>Have 40s of frontline and 40s of artillery.
ugh that just seems like a massive hassle to manage late game.
>Have the artillery arrive 1 day after the frontline.
is there some noticeable benefit to that?
>I also note that you do not have a full or even half a back row of artillery, while the AI does.
I understand that but where did all of my art go exactly? my average army was like 50% artillery, there's no way i couldn't have enough to go around.
>This is another reason for your lopsided casualties.
surprisingly, this battle was in my favor';

'>>1729725
>0.5 warscore
god pathetic trash game makes me wanna cease my playthrough johan please deliver';

'>>1729715
Even by Paradox army size standards, the idea of an army having 50k cannons total during any part of EU4's timeframe is absolutely absurd.
Even at the very end of World War II, as the Red Army crashed through eastern Europe, it was only packing a little over 40k cannons total.

50k cannoneers is a much more reasonable interpretation, although that still leaves open the question of how many cannons there'd be';

'>>1729739
>50k cannoneers is a much more reasonable interpretation, although that still leaves open the question of how many cannons there'd be

i tell you what. they didnt give a fuck about authenticity or immersion';

'>>1729725
It ensures that the cannons don't end up on the front line where they will get shredded by the shock phase before they deal any damage.
I am guessing that is where your artillery went; it gets stuffed into the front row to melt early in the battle.';

'>>1729743
>takes exactly as many men to build 1 unit of cannons as 1 unit of men
>takes exactly as many men to reinforce 1 unit of cannons as 1 unit of men
>disbanding 1 unit of cannons returns exactly as many men as 1 unit of men

>hmm... no, the number refers to how many cannons there are, not the amount of people operating them';

'>>1729828
It doesn't makes sense either stop it with the cope. in a better map painter siege engines and arty pieces are auxiliary units, part of your attachment, something similar as support units in hoi4. something you know the exact number. anything else is retarded. eu4 is a retarded game, can't wait for its death';

'>>1729828
>not the amount of people operating them
A Napoleonic canon had a crew that ranged from 8 to 15, meaning that in a 1k stack you would have 66.7 to 125 canons. The 1813 Battle of Leipzig (the largest battle in the game's timeframe) saw 2,200 canons on BOTH sides. By 1813 in EU4, you have 40 canon regiments per side in every battle; meaning that the average end-game EU4 battle has 80 canon regiments. 80 canon regiments means there are 5,336 to 10,000 canons per battle, which is 2-5 times the amount of canons in the largest Napoleonic battle.
So no, even if the 1k is the amount of people operating the canon, it still doesn't make sense.';

'>>1729822
look at my losses, I didn't lose a single cannon in that battle';

'Ok, I managed to get some time for EU4 again. Mainz continued going crazy and they are now the Kingdom of Franconia. The mod wants me to form the Republic of Veneto-Lombardy and that typo/misspelling of "Spainish" is really gripping my shit.';

'why not just mod the localisation to change it back to Spanish?';

'>>1730126
I don't know how.';

'Okay, I feel kinda dumb. >>1728844 anon here. Trying Muscovy, got what I felt was a pretty good start, but it turns out my eco never came online and I hit bankruptcy and my economy still is in tatters afterwards, so this is a scuffed run. There are a few concepts I feel like I'm unsure about:

- I ran out of government capacity pretty early - should I be limiting the territory I turn into states to just the more "Russia" parts? I take it I still want to core everything
- If I end up using vassalization and feeding land to a vassal, do I want to core that land prior to feeding it to a vassal?
- On that note of vassalization, is that basically required for Muscovy going eastward due to government capacity?
- I guess I could also use trade companies on territorially cored states, is that worrth doing?

And I guess just in general for people who've played Muscovy, what do you recommend for keeping your eco online during the first 30-40 years while you're trying to militarily expand outward as fast as possible during that ~25 year claim event?';

'>>1730880
Thought I had included a pic of my game, whoops.';

'>>1730880
>If I end up using vassalization and feeding land to a vassal, do I want to core that land prior to feeding it to a vassal?
No, the point of vassal feeding is to spare you admin points. The vassal will core it and you will spend diplo points to annex it some time down the line.
>I ran out of government capacity pretty early - should I be limiting the territory I turn into states to just the more "Russia" parts? I take it I still want to core everything
If a state has low dev then leave it as territories. After a while you can build courthouses and centralise the administration of states. Tech levels will also give you 250 gov cap here and there.
I'm not sure how you hit the gov cap on Muscovy I'm sure they have bonuses to that but it's a good lesson to learn. For the early game until you can get courthouses and state houses, focus your devving in your capital state and perhaps another state that you deem very important due to it's position in leveraging a trade node or it's trade goods.
>I guess I could also use trade companies on territorially cored states, is that worrth doing?
Yes, it's pretty much free money.
>what do you recommend for keeping your eco online during the first 30-40 years
Aim for Kazan's gold mine in Zlatoust, state this and dev the diplo up to 9 or 10 (beware at 10 the chance of a gold mine depleting goes up but unless you get bad RNG it will last you until you can build manufactories). Bully everyone you can in the early game for war reps and ducats. Focus on tax income (devving in your capital state) and remember to consecrate metropolitans. After focusing on devving admin if you can spare the points, you build churches where a church will bring in at least 0.20 ducats/month. You build markets in every centre of trade and by doing that alone your economy will tick over until the point where you can build manufactories. If you have over 2 regiments of cavalry get rid of them until you can afford them.';

'>>1730880
My strategy as muscovy is probably not the optimal one but I find the vassal swarm option more fun.
I immediately marry/vassalize odoyev because they will at times be immediately attacked or vasalized by lithuania if you don't, and they're nice to feed ryazan and a couple other provinces to. In my initial war with novgorod I look to snake the border entirely to cut denmark off from justifying any of their territory. I only take provinces that lie in states I already own. Everything else gets handed off to vassals that make sense. I also release karelia as a vassal and give them kola since sami is partially accepted for them. With all these vassals supporting you it's easy to slap lithuania around if the situation presents itself to get some more russian land.
Fucking with the great horde or kazan can be a huge bitch if they have allies in other hordes beyond your vision but it's worth blitzing kazan's gold mine and CoT, as well as unifying perm's core lands. But this is the second most important war after isolating novgorod because that gold mine will fund you entirely once you dev it.';

'>>1729725
>ugh that just seems like a massive hassle to manage late game.
Congratulations! You've learned yet another reason why no one plays EU4 into the late game.';

'>>1730123
I remember trying to make a mod that renamed Muscovite to Russian and made Novgorodian and Ryazanian become Russian when Russia was formed, but I could never get it to work';

'>try a Muscovy game because of this thread
>get the CB to subjugate Novgorod
>do it without thinking
>realize that I need to own and core the province of Novgorod to form Russia
>Novgorod has "historical rival", adding 50% LD
Fuck this gay earth';

'>>1731893
You'll have to dev them up. Go for Novgorod itself or Neva/St Petersburg. I think St Petersburg gets free dev from a mission/event anyways.
From an RP perspective it sucks that you have to kiss the ass so much of a great northern enemy. Especially when Muscovy took all of it in one war IRL

>Thus did Great Prince Ivan advance with all his host against his domain of Novgorod because of the rebellious spirit of its people, their pride and conversion to Latinism. With a great and overwhelming force did he occupy the entire territory of Novgorod from frontier to frontier, inflicting on every part of it the dread powers of his fire and sword.';

'>can't trade favours for heir on hard or above
what's the reason to not play a republic then?';

'Did the guy trying to use creamapi succesfully pirated the DLC or what?';

'>It's another "Big Bad Guy is defeated by the power of friendship" episode';

'C-can I post about EU3 here? I think if I make a thread about it it will get 2 replies and die.';

'>>1731951
Province war score cost is a very dumb mechanic. I realize it exists to limit blobbing (as if), but it isn't anything like how peace treaties actually worked.
>tfw have to leave Novgorod alive in like 3 or 4 northernmost provinces because reasons and wait for 15 years to annex them unless you're lucky with alliances';

'>>1733453
It's why I don't play with ironman. I annex 100WS just for the appropriate AE costs, then I annex command the rest';

'>>1733438
yes of course, eu1-2 if you got that too.';

'>>1733438
how about meiou 3.0? any meiou pros here? i need help!';

'>>1733505
I recently finished this Portugal campaign. Whenever I finish a campaign I think that I should have been more aggressive with my expansion, which usually fuels my desire to start a new one. I blobbed really hard this time, though.

At the start of the game I like to conquer Sardinia, you usually don't have a CB for it but I gladly take the stability hit because owning Sardinia gives you a nice base to wage war in the Mediterranean, particularly against Muslim states, which I also like to conquer as early as possible so I have bases in the Red Sea from which to colonize the rest of Asia.

I started colonizing North America rather late, by ~1500 and by ~1530 I realized no one had conquered Mexico so I took it. Around 1570 or so I got into a Personal Union with England but integrating it into my country would have cost me 45 Infamy which I wasn't willing to accept. Try as I might, I could never inherit England even when the tool-tip stated "On monarch death England gets inherited by Portugal".

By around ~1600 I was content with expanding my colonial empire but a war between my ally Castile and France in around 1630 gave me the chance to deal a crippling blow to the French. Also around 1630 I got into a Personal Union with Norway, which I integrated into my country with a cost of about 15 Infamy in 1680. All this time I had been an ally of Castile but around 1750 I waged war against (a resurrected) Norway and Castile chose to fight me. This frustrated me because all this time I had been turning down free cores on Castilian territory. The rest of the game I spent fucking up the Spanish and at 1820 I integrated England with a cost of 75 Infamy.';

'>tranime';

'>>1733522
>ottomans snaking into asia and invading Ming
EU3 really was a different game';

'Is Eu3 worth a spin? I'm not the biggest Eu4 fan but I've enjoyed V2, HoI3, and Darkest Hour.';

'>>1733529
meds';

'>>1733766
I love it. Some people dislike Divine Wind and will tell you to stick to Heir to the Throne. I personally prefer Divine Wind.';

'>>1733766
I think it's pretty janky compared to EU IV. You tried Imperator?';

'>>1727282
its out!
but i still dont know how these fuckery with pops and labour and shit works. I just automated things, watching the numbers go up and coloring that map.';

'>>1734054
I remember reading debates on Divine Wind. I'll just use it meh
>>1734085
it's on my list';

'anyone here who miss the time when starts like morocco and ethiopa actually were hard?';

'>decide to come back to this game
>start playing as muscovy
>some random event about a tribute to khan pops up
>refuse or bend the knee and pay 400+ ducats
>i have 20k+ soldiers, golden horde barely has 13k
>obviously refuse
>another event immediately pops up
>hehe oops every province 10 devastation and minus money you can't do anything lol :^)
>treasury goes in red
>-104 (looted cities)
>alt+f4
>uninstall
>never coming back';

'>>1734584
>opting to potentially fight a war where you probably won't get anything out of it over an event when you still have non muslim land to consolidate and a gold mine to seize.
The event is stupid but intentionally slowing your own conquest with a pointless war is as stupid.';

'EU4 has no sense and you know that, so stop cope you all.

It's a one big ilusion - of war, of diplomacy, of trade, of social aspect, just like other modern Paradox games. This ilusion is sustained by players imagination and naive belive in better future after another patch.

You are own Matrix, bateries.';

'When playing as Russia, should I put all of Siberia into a trade company or just enough to get the extra merchant?';

'same question as byzantium, shouldn't you just be putting all of Syria and egypt and beyond into trade zones?';

'>>1735235
it depends on your state capacity no? But that won't matter when you get enough gold to spam court houses';

'>>1735034
400 ducats would have slowed him down further at that stage of the game. 4 workshops or a farm estate. If he can't take a setback for a country that was arguably at it's lowest point in history then he is better off gone.';

'>>1735304
15th century Moscow was definitely better off compared to just 80 years before that. Remains to be seen if they can make good gameplay out of that period in EU5.';

'>>1735312
and yet the steppe peoples weren't just something they could shrug off, the crimean tatars were able to burn moscow to the ground during the 16th century';

'>>1735235
provinces not in a TC get a boost to goods produced based on the share of their node's trade power that is in a TC, so the meta play is to put in everything with a trade power boost and only those things (and whatever else you need for a merchant, only if necessary)';

'russia stopped paying tribute to the hordes 40 years after the games start for the sake of clarity';

'My problem with the Mongol event is that it makes no sense. I understand that if you refuse to pay, you get attacked but it's bullshit that this happens automatically. If you refuse, the Great Horde should have the option of declaring war on you to force payment, which is literally how the in-game looting requirement works. The fact that you magically lose manpower/money is bullshit';

'>>1735304
>If he can't take a setback
Magical unpreventable event that instaraids all of your provinces by bypassing game mechanics is not a setback';

'>>1735470
that's your only problem lmao? its a boardgame what did you expect';

'>>1735470
I can agree that the consequences are a bit severe without any warning prior to that but as the other anon said it's a board game and the game is trying to model something it's not really made to do (steppe niggers being able to ravage the russian countryside if tribute wasn't paid).
If they instead made it so the golden horde declared war on you to get the tribute they would need to buff it like crazy and then they would need to break a lot of other stuff
but maybe they are just lazy and some modders foúnd a better way for it';

'>>1735657
>that's your only problem lmao?
No
>what did you expect
For the game to follow its own rules
>>1735761
>the game is trying to model something it's not really made to do (steppe niggers being able to ravage the russian countryside if tribute wasn't paid).
War/looting is a game mechanic. As things are now, its like if the Surrender of Maine event lead to France auto-occupying all of Normandy instead of just Maine. Just make it literally the exact same event structure as the HYW. Side A has an obligation (transfer Maine/pay tribute) and if they refuse, Side B retaliates (war).';

'The reason for the event is likely for the ai. I'm sure they tried having an actual war during development and it always resulted in muscovy trashing the great horde and lithuania gobbling up their land after.';

'>>1735792
france is almost guaranteed to win that war, great horde is almost guaranteed to lose
it's the limitations of a 10 year old game engine, there are a lot of other scripted stuff near the 1444 start that breaks the game engine to get something that resembles history more';

'>>1735817
>always resulted in muscovy trashing the great horde and lithuania gobbling up their land after.
And that's bad because?';

'>>1736150
Giga lithuania is a pain for everyone involved especially if they turn into giga commonwealth.
Theoretically they could just have the ottomans guarantee the great horde if they lose the tribute war with muscovy but that'll just result in the ottoman snek if poland/lithania attacks anyway.
In all cases it just creates an enormous clusterfuck';

'>>1736080
>>1736080
>great horde is almost guaranteed to lose
And? The Surrender of Maine has the option for France to back down if England refuses to transfer Maine, there's no reason the Golden Horde shouldn't have that too.
>Side A makes a demand
>Side B can accept/refuse
>If they accept, event chain ends
>if they refuse, Side A has the option of going to war or backing down
>if they back down, they suffer a prestige/opinion hit
All I'm doing is using mechanics that already exist in the game to add at least a thin veneer of choice rather than railroading everything. The AI is already able to weigh up if the war is worth it.';

'>>1736160
>Giga lithuania is a pain for everyone involved especially if they turn into giga commonwealth.
So, it all goes down to AI mindlessly blobbing out of its original borders and lack of diplomatic pressure. Having a nation that can become a pain in the ass is the only way to keep this map painting game interesting in the long run tho. It's like complaining about blobbomans killing mamluks every game and becoming a big green blob o death.';

'That's it. I'm done with this shit game.';

'Current campaign as California. Consolidated ideal borders in North America and colonised the entire Pacific plus the Philippines, now I'm working on conquering a nice chunk of southeast Asia. Goal is to grab everything that can feed trade into the Polynesian Triangle, since that's my main node';

'had to uninstall this game, it's literally worse than cocaine for me';

'>>1738636
Neat, who did you start as?';

'>>1738896
Started as England, island-hopped my way to California with colonies, and released as soon as I had a CN. Took until about 1500 Deleted or sold the provinces I used to get there, which gave me about a 100 years to fight the giant native coalitions and expand before the Euros showed back up. It's a fun run, although the lack of unique ideas is pretty obnoxious';

'Why is it so obnoxiously hard to pirate their dlcs now? It wasn't like this 10 years ago.';