'>>189557
That's why 90% of mma fighters do wrestling and most of them don't do judo. Judo may be good if you have no time to train both wrestling and bjj.';

'>>189557
Skill issue.';

'It turns out the best way to make someone fall down is to grab their legs.';

'>>189573
/thread';

'>>189573
>>189576
Oof. Huge judo cope!
The fact is, if someone is your size or smaller, wrestling works. Judo you'll even struggle to throw someone your size unless the magic aikido conditions present themselves.
If someone is bigger, you aint judo throwing him anyway.';

'>>189590
Judo fags spend 90% of their time grip fighting in a gi trying to "hit you with le planet". None of that shit works in MMA, you just get punched directly in the face.

Then they see someone hit a foot sweep in UFC and start wanking off about how effective judo is lmao';

'>>189590
>>189591
You two are clearly retarded so I’m not going to bother arguing. Here’s a bunch of judo throws being used in mma fights.
https://youtu.be/0WjN8iuRk3o?feature=shared';

'>>189597
>mostly footsweeps and variations
Yeah exactly what I said lmao';

'>>189608
>judo doesn’t work except for when it does all the time
Big brained post, anon!';

'OP
>won't say what belt he is, or weight class, or how much experience he has, or where he was training at
>unironically uses "old man strength" as an argument
>won't expand on why "nothing was working"
>or the laughable claim that he suddenly "learnt" a wrestling throw off youtube
kek I guarantee OP is 100% making stuff up. what discord are you posting this from, sweetheart?';

'>>189591
This lmao
>>189597
OMFG in the 20 years of mma and 10000 fights we have exactly 10 judo throws pulled of successfully!!!';

'>>189611
Do you really think this is some big conspiracy against you? I'm just laughing at how innefective judo is. after experiencing it first hand';

'>>189609
Only one (1) technique?';

'>>189569
they all do judo, judo is so effective it has been absorbed into other things
everything effective about grappling, all your fundamental takedowns and submissions people take for granted are all judo';

'>>189635
Fundamental bjj submissions are from judo but takedowns are wrestling';

'>>189637
wrestling and judo basically have the same syllabus, it's just the sport particularities cause people to make different choices';

'>>189624
Post your belt, OP, or admit you love making shit up like most people here';

'>>189630
If you ignore all the other ones the video was full of sure. Sorry you’re retarded.
>>189624
No we think you’re just lying in the internet';

'>>189655
Yeah. Nah. I just proved through my own experience wrestling works and judo is some cope aikido tier shit';

'>>189660
Post your judo belt';

'>>189661
I don't do judo, it doesn't work unless you play along. I learnt that in lesson 1';

'>>189668
>guys I’ve never trained judo and when I tried to use judo techniques it didn’t work wtf?
Great thread anon';

'>>189670
Yet wrestling just works
Curious';

'>>189674
It’s actually not curious because not a single person in this thread as disputed that wrestling is effective including me you dumb fag.';

'>>189668
kek are you sure you're not mistaking judo for aikido? because it's pretty silly to think it only works if you play along and all them throws are fake';

'>>189678
Yet people waste years training osoto wari gyazo throws that only work in aikido like conditions when basic easy to learn wrestling gets the job done ten times better

Curious';

'>>189683
You should take your YouTube moves to an amatuer fight. I’m sure you’ll mop the floor with everyone like you did that old man.';

'>>189686
I'm sure Judo will serve me better. NOT LOL';

'>>189635
>they all do judo, judo is so effective it has been absorbed into other things
Jigoro Kano literally got some techniques from western wrestling when he was creating judo. Wrestling >>> judo';

'>>189753
>Jigoro Kano literally got some techniques from western wrestling when he was creating judo

Like what?';

'>>189753
The problem with wrestling is lack of submissions. That's why wrestlers use lay and pray strategy in mma. Maybe they would do better if headbutts and 12-6 elbows were legal.';

'>>189761
If only there was some art that focuses on submissions that easily compliments wrestling....

Also allowing those strikes would lead to more subs as well since a guy can't turtle up and stall. Couple knees/elbows to get him to react then go for a sub';

'>>189591
>hands fighting doesn't exist in wrestling
How do you get your tie faggot? You never trained.';

'>>189591
Lol';

'>>189557
A "pure" judoka won some fights in Pride, that gives judo some credit
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kFmiLdJOVg';

'>>189668
>Doesn't do judo
>Can't get Judo throws to work
>This proves Judo doesn't work.
>But wrestling just works
Yeah, a lot of judo throws need a set up, which real judo players know how to do.';

'>>189668
You don't fight in your first judo class, lol. Might wanna do some research before making up entire threads about things you've never done.';

'>>190084
I just stiff armed guys or pushed them forward. practicing throws is aikdio tier and doesn't work irl on anyone half way defensive. Only works with judo passivity rules. Even judoka admit it's near impossible to throw a resistant opponent. Not the case with wrestling';

'>>190155
>bros if I just run away defensively judo throws don’t work
Why would I need to judo throw you if you’re not fighting me?
>heh, good luck getting past my stiff ar-ACK
Pic related. I know for a fact you’re bullshitting because I train with and throw new whitebelts all the time and they do the same thing. Retard that you are, you don’t realize you’re giving me perfect position for either seoi nage or harai makikomi goshi.';

'>>190155
>Even judoka admit it's near impossible to throw a resistant opponent.
No they don't.';

'>>190156
>If you stand like a mannequin yeah Judo totally works bro';

'>>190161
You realize that judo is an Olympic sport right? Do you think professional athletes are just playing along with Olympic gold on the line?';

'>>189557
Maybe you are just trash and didn't lift as well as train Judo. Besides, adapt your fighting training to the rules at disposal and go for cheap and effective wins. Adapt your Judo throws into Greco-Roman mixture where you don't go for the "gi" takedowns/throws but no gi throws.

There is nothing wrong with doing so.';

'>>189753
He got one technique and it was just the firemans carry';

'>>189591
You know 90% of what wrestlers do it fight for grips and positions right? It isn't all just doubles and singles from 3 feet away';

'>>189679
Ishii is great at taking people down but his MMA fight IQ is in the single digits against other professionals. He is so 1 dimensional it is a shock his W/L is what it is';

'>>189557
>Skinny judolet challenges me
>weak and scrawny due to low intensity low duration
>Thinks he will beat me due to his "superior speed" and flashy throws
>Squat slightly in freestyle wresting pose I learned in Uni (could have gone pro if I hadn't joined the navy). thighs MASSIVE due to high intensity training
>Judokek shits his pants because he doesnt know how to deal with someone with a center of balance slightly lower then his own.
>I give his torso a hug, don't even go for a single or double 'cause feeling nice
>Judokas pockets start exploding spaghetti since he's not use to intimate contact closer then half arms length.
>My hustles on point, get around him to his back so as to dispatch him by honorable suplex
>"Oh no the Hanawa ochinchin!" The Judoka mewls, refusing to speak in plain American Chicago 12 pnt font.
>A full excelsior movement reduces my opponent to ash as his skull disintegrates against the mat.
>I stand at attention towards the pile of ash and give it a salute for its brave (though misplaced) confidence.';

'>>190174
>Hey bro just spend 10000 hours trying to become an Olympic contender and you may be able to pull off a konichi wasushi once in a 10 minute match which penalises defensive behaviour


Wow, you certainly convinced me!';

'>>190337
>being this fag
There is not a more obvious way to advertise you're a fat faggot larper, making arguments no real competitor ever would. Fuck this board is so stupid. As if an wrestler, judoka, mma fighter, etc has ANY of these discussions & retarded fucking opinions. What is the point of being this guy?';

'>>190354
>what is the point of being this guy
Getting (you)s. Stop bumping this retarded thread. It was over the second he said he never actually trained wrestling or judo.';

'>>190354
I've trained judo and learnt very quickly it's a meme that only works if you play along with the rules that make it illegitimate for any sort of real combat

>>190359
Okay. Keep larping';

'>large weight difference?
>wrestling just works-ACK';

'>>190381
>I’ve trained judo
>>189668
>I don’t do judo
>>189557
>I learned wrestling from YouTube
Kys, you don’t train';

'>>190384
You seem to be unable to read and are coping hard as you realise you coped learning useless shit';

'>>190390
No training, no opinion';

'>>190394
I have trained, you don't need to be an aikido black belt to realise it's bullshit';

'>>190442
You “learned” wrestling from YouTube. That’s not training. You have no opinion.';

'>>189557
>>189569
>>189573
>>189575
>>189576
>>189590
>>189591
>>189597
>>189608
>>189609
>>189611
>>189621
>>189624
>>189630
>>189635
>>189637
>>189640
>>189654
>>189655
>>189660
>>189661
>>189668
>>189670
>>189674
>>189678
>>189679
>>189683
>>189686
>>189733
>>189753
>>189760
>>189761
>>189765
>>189785
>>189978
>>190061
>>190081
>>190084
>>190155
>>190156
>>190157
>>190161
>>190174
>>190187
>>190321
>>190322
>>190323
>>190325
>>190337
>>190354
>>190359
>>190381
>>190382
>>190384
>>190390
>>190394
>>190442
>>190463
check out my dog';

'>>190466
Cute dog. What's its name?';

'>>190467
Benny';

'>>190466
Based';

'>>190466
He's SHITTING all over these fools.';

'>>190463
I learned more from a youtube video than anything judo teaches lmfao';

'>>190506
Prove it. Show us a medal.';

'>>190512
>Show me your aikido medal to prove you know how to fight

Judo larpers everyone';

'>>190528
>OP can’t fight, don’t fight, don’t even train
>”please I’m begging you take my opinion seriously”
lol';

'>>190531
Why are you so triggered? Is this how judo larpers cope that their achini wazashi gari doesn't work unless the other guys plays their judo game?';

'>>190535
You don’t fight lol';

'>>190536
I fight in actual fighting sports. How many people have you knocked out?';

'>>190551
>I fight in actual fighting sports
Prove it';

'>>190566
I'm not going to post my medals / boxing card here. Are you crazy lmfao

Now keep learning your azashi wazari gyazo Ryu move';

'>>190597
No training no opinion';

'>>190597
so you've admitted to never doing judo and you don't know the basics of wrestling and had to look up a basic throw on youtube, which you also claim to have magically learned. just stop nigga.';

'>>190597
>not going to post my medals / boxing card here
So your options are
>#1:lying larping fat sack of shit
Or
>2#: Too retarded to censor identifying info in paint or basic free app on phone
It's this simple dipshit, with how much effort you've put into arguing already, it's obvious that if you had it, you would have posted it. If you're going to be a larping faggot, don't make such retarded claims.';

'>>190061
lmao he got beat pretty good by a Greco-Roman wrestler with like a 2 week camp. I like yoshida because of the that silva fight, but his judo didn't do anything against pure wrestlers. He even got submitted by Barnett, who is a catch wrestler....

https://youtu.be/GQkZeJnoKP0?si=4Ijfs-xwMMv1lwlk';

'>>190325';

'>>190632
You should probably mention the Greco guy has a 44lb and 4 inch height advantage and that Yoshida still a put up a good fight against him.';

'>>190634
There were advantages both ways, but it's the only time Olympic gold medalist from both disciplines fought. This was Gardener's first fight and Yoshidas 20th, and Gardener was a huge underdog. Gardener was bigger but Yoshida is 220lbs, so he isn't exactly a pushover. Most guys Yoshida beat were smaller anyways. Pride loved Yoshida, and they were trying to give him an easy win against the white devils from America. You can make excuses either way but Yoshida is probably not the guy you want to represent Judo in MMA';

'>>190637
He choked out Royce Gracie though and made their whole family piss, shit, and cry themselves to sleep demanding the victory be nullified. That gives him a lot of points in my book.';

'>>190603
>>190606
>>190626
>Judo larpers still seething
Don't forget to learn your konichiwa kazushi off balancing!
Who knows, if the conditions align just right once in a million times, with rules that prevent normal defense, you may just hit that osoto unagi!!';

'>>190639
You keep posting Japanese gibberish as if it’s some kind of own. You realize if you don’t like the Japanese names you can just say shoulder throw instead of seoi nage, right?';

'>>190638
fair enough, I'm down for anyone fucking with the Gracies';

'>>190643
You do realise you will never kuzushi wazushi anyone outside of contrived Judo larping, right?';

'>>190657
Do you know what kuzushi is?';

'>>190657
If I knew what your schizo brain thought “Kazushi wazushi” meant I might have a response to your retarded inquiry.';

'judo has olympic champions
boxing has olympic champions
wrestling has olympic champions
TKD has olympic champions
even karate has olympic champions

and then bjj, the greatest practitioners have....well they won a tournament in a local gymnasium, but you should've seen it! they even had to use half the bleachers! (they were mostly filled with people's bags and not spectators but thats besides the point)';

'>>190670
Muay Thai isn’t an Olympic sport either but non-retarded people still respect it. What point are you trying to make? That viewers=effectiveness? In that case soccer must be the best combat sport ever.';

'>>190659
>>190663
>He doesn't know kazushi wazushi
Lmao';

'>>190671
yeah muay thai where everyone's so broke it's considered a reasonable career alternative to become a ladyboy hooker

they're second tier athletes doing minor league sports but strutting around like their championship means anything';

'>>190659
>>190663
In all seriousness, before you started your butthurt accusations, the point of this thread is that judo is something you learn for 7+ years to maybe, sometimes, if the conditions are just right, may work..sort of..

Wrestling you can teach in a day and it WILL work. Idk what there is to argue about, why do judo larpers get so defensive about this topic?';

'>>190692
>>190692
Fuck me bro you’re right. I wasted so many years practicing my koshi guruma. If I had done wrestling I could have just learned to do a head and arm throw in a day instead. These are two totally different techniques obviously and the wrestling one is way easier. You’re definitely not a larping retard with no idea what you’re talking about. It’s not like there’s major overlap between the two sports that would be insane to suggest.

https://youtu.be/SU7Id6uVJ44?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/QZdz9qxJCWI?feature=shared

Fun fact, the guy who owns my judo club is both a 5th degree black belt in Judo and was a division 1 wrestler in college. For some crazy reason he doesn’t seem to share the same negative opinion a guy who thinks he learned how to wrestle from YouTube does. Curious.';

'>>190696
Difference is Judo has 100 useless aikido tier shit mixed in and dilutes anything actually useful (stolen from wrestling)
It's like saying taekwondo is as useful as kickboxing. You learnjng 20 spinning crane kicks is fucking stupid when a simple leg kick/front kick is infinitely more useful

Judo doesn't work in MMA apart from a once in a million highlight reel compilation. Wrestling works every time';

'>>190699
Based on what? that you can't pull them off, having not trained in judo or wrestling a day in your life?
Unlike aikido you can easily find judo black belts to take on, so it should be easy for you to show how self taught wrestling will beat it. You can even find one who will fight you under MMA rules. Should be an easy win right?';

'>>190699
give some fucking examples. what is the aikido tier shit of judo?';

'>>190699
>stolen from wrestling
you'd be wrong about that
you might notice that the only countries that matter when it comes to wrestling have a long standing judo tradition as well';

'>>190710
>>190706
>>190700
See
>>189591';

'>>190700
>You can even find one who will fight you under MMA rules. Should be an easy win right?

Except literally none of them would accept this offer. It would be seen as "dishororabu"';

'>>190715
every submission you've ever seen in MMA came from judo';

'>>190717
Maybe modern MMA, but early MMA was dominated by catch wrestling submissions, like scarf holds and neck cranks. This was especially true in Japan, which has a huge pro wrestling scene. Catch wrestling was never super popular in the US, and when MMA blew up in the States, so did Gracie BJJ, because the UFC loved that guy. Catch wrestling isn't common anymore, so you really don't see alot of people use it. In early MMA though, Catch wrestling was as good or better than BJJ(Judo) submissions';

'>>190716
You sure do have a lot of excuses, coward. Issue the challenge. Publicly. Under your own name. It’s be great to have another lebel vs savage moment';

'>>190733
I've already btfo several judo larpers when I tried it and they complained that I was using too much strength and they couldn't use their wazushi Kata gutuba on me without me playing along lmao

If strikes would be involved they'd be ko before they even got the first grip';

'>>190726
Early MMA most participants were barely trained at all and were just tough guys doing tough guy things during the pre-weight classes times
Nearly all examples you could point to shows the catch wrestler physically outmatching their opponents by a significant amount
Catch couldn't survive in MMA once fighters became true trained athletes and size discrepancies were accounted for

MMA is results based sport, things don't disappear if they're working
Catch has now firmly cemented its status as those cheeky dick moves a geezer will show you but wouldnt work unless their partner is a novice or cooperating
"hey check this out" *cranks the beginners neck sideways without warning*';

'>>190734
>things that didn’t happen
Prove it';

'>>190736
>every submission in mma is from judo
>given proof that every mma submission is not from judo
>moves goalposts
I'm not arguing for catch wrestling, I'm just saying that submissions outside of judo exist in MMA. Your other argument doesn't even hold water for Judo, because it was never adopted in mma to actually be phased out. Since the current mma meta is heavy into wrestling right now, by you're logic then wrestling is superior. Judo never got results and thus was never adopted.
Not to mention one of the best catch wrestlers in Pride was Sakuraba, and he was almost always the smaller guy.
https://youtu.be/_4Uoo5rJJ20?si=p5pubDoeVqIzoEA8';

'>>190751
Your example of catch was a scarf hold
That's the first move you learn in judo';

'>>190716
There are Judo black belts who do MMA and open grappling tournaments. You're full of shit.';

'>>190738
Prove your judo works against any resistant opponent and not judo larpers in a mcdojo

Oh wait, you can't';

'>>190764
And if they spent the same time on wrestling they would be an MMA top competitor right now';

'>>190765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BxaaacoQA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOqKP8oDgT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvXjF1oadgk
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Db98-rM6_UU?feature=share';

'Skill issue.';

'>>190770
>Posts YouTube clickbait Judo fantasies

Every KO from punches in combat sports (90% of wins) is your fake little judo being btfo by strikers. So funny how when you ask judo rejects for proof they post the same 4 meme tier videos, 3 of which are in fake rule environment, one in primitive MMA from 30 years ago!

Hilarious!';

'>>190772
Are you sure soccer isn't your thing? You seem good at moving goal posts.
> fake rule environment,
Wrestling competitions don't allow strikes either.
> primitive MMA from 30 years ago!
You asked for Judo. I took like five minutes to randomly look judo vs other arts on youtube, I even made sure most of them are other arts popular in MMA, you can find tons of judo winning videos on youtube.';

'>>190726
>but early MMA was dominated by catch wrestling submissions, like scarf holds and neck cranks
It's almost as if the most common pin in judo is kesa gatame aka scarf hold.';

'>>190780
Shodan here, literally the first pin I ever learned. OP is a retarded faggot';

'Why are people arguing with this retard?';

'>>190794
Because they start to realise judo is innefective';

'>>190794
Because this board is full of retarded faggot larpers & these arguments make them feel like they're representing shit they will never fucking practice. But at least the Judo guys aren't just making shit up.';

'>>190849
Judo guys don't get into fights and don't do MMA. They do randori with other judo idiots and say stuff like "let yourself be thrown" "the key to understanding judo, Is learning to take being thrown"

It's borderline aikido tier training. Even that heckin based judo pride champion used punches and leg attacks 95% of the time, and didn't even bother with the meme tier osoto seonagis that judo makes you learn';

'>>190863
you mean the key to training effectively is knowing when you're beat and resetting instead of blowing your load struggling in a nuclear arms race to defend against something that's a lost cause and hurting yourself in the process';

'>>190863';

'>>190871
>Pretending the technique worked because you let them is ackshully the good thing!

Judo, everyone';

'>>190885
You don't seem to understand so that's fine

Same kind of thing where you're getting your arm bent and "it doesn't hurt bad enough to tap yet, I'm tough and I can take it" so you let it go to the point of an injury
Arrogant white belts, many such cases';

'>>190886
Yes, just like in aikido when you fall down compliantly. Don't want to get hurt now to the deadly technique, do we?';

'>>190887
Nope, nothing like that
Assisting a move is different from relaxing when it happens to you to avoid injury';

'>>190863
> "let yourself be thrown"
No,they don't not unless your letting someone practice a throw on you, in randori, that is sparring, you try your best not to be thrown. What they teach is how to fall safely so you don't break your neck if you are thrown, because you matter how hard a beginner tries not to be thrown, the more senior people will be able to throw them. Even so, in competition people often get seriously hurt in competition trying to resist when they have already lost. They still get thrown because the throws work even if you resist.';

'>>190896
>Things judo sensei tell white belts';

'>>190908
They don't have to tell you jack shit, they will throw you, and people do get injuries at tournaments. What, do you think people in the Olympics let themselves be thrown to make Judo look good? What about those non-judoka who got thrown in the videos above, were they also trying to make judo look good?';

'>>190916
There's been like 10 judo throws in 30 years of MMA Vs wrestling being used daily';

'>>190922
Well, the best judoka that compete on the international level, go into Olympic Judo training rather than MMA. So unlike say BJJ you do not see many judo gyms that train with an eye towards applying it in MMA, which would require a lot of no gi training that would be useless for Olympic competition or any normal judo tournament But at the more amateur level you can find many videos of judo guys sparring and winning against other arts. And of course BJJ's curriculum is almost all taken from Judo, and they are pretty common in MMA as well.';

'>>190923
As opposed to Olympic wrestlers? Brock Lesnar literally walked into MMA heavy weight champ. Judokas can't do that. It doesn't work when punches are thrown. Very inefficient art.';

'>>190926
he lost his UFC debut by tapping out to a submission 90 seconds into the first round';

'>>190926
I would agree wrestling translates better to MMA, since they are not a style of Jacket wrestling, which is a very different game than wrestling with minimal clothing to grip. Like I said, a judo guy who wanted to use it for MMA would have to do a lot of no gi training, which would take away from his training for judo tournaments. If he wants to compete professionally he will probably have to pick one or the other, and most who can handle the professional level pick the Olympic path.';

'>>190715
You can always try to transfer the grip fighting to stand up defence vs fighting so you can get to the lock and throw and then submission.';

'>>190908
>>Things Judo sensei tells white belts
Yes, I do in fact teach my students how to not injure themselves while participating this sport. I don’t know why you think that’s a bad thing.';

'>>190927
>He's going to pretend that was a judo guy

How desperate can judo losers get';

'Guys Op here, I think we have gotten massively off topic due to buttblasted judo nerds

My point is, judo is just widely inefficient at getting someone to the floor. Basic wrestling will take you further than judo. Judo is very very dependant on 100 factors being met, wrestling you just grab the fucker';

'>>190955
And you continue to be wrong';

'>>190959
Evidence proves otherwise';

'>>190968
Post some evidence';

'>>190969
The lack of judo being used in anything resembling a fight';

'>>190977
Judo has been used in various mixed fights since it's inception. See >>190770
Just because the current MMA rules and the Judo focus on Olympics limits its use in that arena in no way means it does not work. Do MMA with gi's, jackets or some other stiff clothing and I think you would find a lot more people doing Judo in MMA.';

'>>190979
T. Things judo losers tell themselves';

'>>190977
as we've already demonstrated
every submission you've ever seen in MMA is judo in origin';

'>>190981
They don't have to tell themselves, judo fights with other arts are documented and filmed.';

'>>190987
>>190990
>T. Tries to kouchi sayonara someone in the street and gets uppercutted into dream world for his troubles

Nothing personal';

'>>191156
>https://youtu.be/pfO1pOgf4Gk?feature=shared
Sayonara anon';

'>>191159
>Judo dweebs think a very drunk guy who desperately doesnt want to fight and can barely stand, being dragged down by a sober 10th Dan black belt means judo works in a real fight

Many lols were had';

'>>191162
>that doesn’t count!
https://youtu.be/5CiUGrNyZKc?feature=shared
Sayonara anon';

'>>191167
>Posts the same African sucker throw on a non resisting opponent the judo dweebs jerk off to for the 100th time

Yawn';

'UFC LW champion Khabib Nurmagomedov argues that judo is a higher level than wrestling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOoFeVgx-08';

'>>191220
He's just trying to pay lip service to it and give them a much needed "Win"';

'>>191218
>that does count either!
https://youtu.be/tzoWiPqIJZA?feature=shared
I’m sure you’ll have a reason this boxer getting rag dolled and choked the fuck out doesnt count too.';

'>>191221
Why would he do that?';

'>>191239
At this point just stop with this idiot
He's just a bad faith retard troll

He has been so thourougly blown the fuck out so many times here that all he can do is start making things up
His only course of action to save his dignity would be to delete the thread and hope everyone forgets about it';

'>>191236
>>191241
Yet the judoka is using!
Curious';

'>>191248
Boxing*';

'>>191248
>>191249
>yes he was thrown to the ground multiple times, pinned, gnp’d, and ultimately choked out but he also threw a couple punches while standing that means boxing won even though the actual boxer lost to an actual judoka after I spent the last few weeks screaming about how judo doesn’t work
Lmfao, where’s atemi waza schizo when you need him?';

'>>191257
Greco Roman wrestling*

Judo is in a gi';

'>>191257
I'm right here watching this unfold in horrific fashion. Reminder that Judo does strikes better than boxing.';

'>>191276
So if someone trains judo for years and never once practices Greco he instantly becomes a wrestler the second his gi jacket comes off?';

'>>191285
Thats the logic in this thread. Apparently if you wrestled in high-school, college and Olympics and trained catch, then preform literally ANY submission, then you are actually doing judo. No wonder they think they are the best art, because they think everyone else is copying their fucking 3000 year old scrolls. Not like grappling lends itself to certain moves, and those moves can be found in grappling arts across the board. They all stole from judo obviously. Just look at this wrestler...I mean JUDOKA, win using the can opener....I mean KUBI-HISHIGI he learned by training wretling....I mean JUDO. It's like when the class weirdo makes a joke, and no one laughs, then the Chad, who didn't hear the weirdo, makes the same joke and everyone laughs

https://youtu.be/EcpqSCw_w24?si=SLAQ27SUqbvs22uW';

'>>191220
yet he never trained judo during a fight camp, nor did he use judo over his wrestling....he is just pandering';

'>>191236
lmao try finding actual professional fighters getting beat with judo and you might have an argument. Judo works well against untrained opponents...but not trained wrestlers

https://youtu.be/jy9bqlKVHHw?si=GH-R9xp2pwBxBv1E';

'>>191328
So if we can find one example of a judo player beating a professional wrestler. You will admit you're wrong?
>Judo works well against untrained opponents
That's not what you said before. You said Judo only works under the stupid rules of Judo competitions.';

'>>191329
you are talking to more than one person you retarded gorilla nigger. Show me all the examples you can find';

'>>191328
>lmao try finding actual professional fighters getting beat with judo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxSSsn0284k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ZVHugVn5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwToIVs9O9o';

'>>191351
Fedor was a world class Sambo fighter, but I forgot everything I Judo to you retards';

'>>191355
sambo is literally just judo
the founder of sambo studied judo in japan directly under kano and then made up their own rules for a sport surrounding it
which is totally fine to do by the way
kosen judo and kodokan judo have distinct rules but are both judo. Sambo is just judo with russian names';

'>>191356
it's literally wrestling lmao';

'>>191355
He has a black belt in judo, trained with the Russian national judo team and fought in world class judo events. And sambo was founded by a guy who was a student under the founder of Judo. It's based on judo and various folk wrestling styles of the former USSR.
>>191356
Anon this is just one big troll thread. I don't know why I'm posting here.';

'>>191359
sean strickland has a black belt in BJJ, yet he is not know for using any grappling. Knowledge and application are very different';

'>>191359
>just one big troll thread
Just one big troll board. 99.9% of the martial arts threads are filled with the same dozen larpers getting into the same arguments with each other. Meanwhile the only legit threads, the ones that focus on positive aspects, universal approaches, sharing training, and enjoying the journey fall off the board quicker than anything. Because these larping fags have no real experience & have never been a part of the martial community in real life.';

'>>191391
Welcome to 4chan, retard. Name a board with good discussion on it. I’ll wait.';

'>>191393
Any board where faggots are not larping as subject matter experts. /pol/ is unironically better than this shithole. If I had to pick a blueboard only, /fit/ atleast their bullshit claims are easily refuted with any basic fitness knowledge & there larpers are easily weeded out with "post body" here you got faggots posting pictures of belts like that means fuck all.';

'>>191395
>/pol/ is unironically better than this shithole
Shirley you can’t be serious. /pol/ has not been useable since before 2016

Also I can’t believe that shit was almost 10 years ago now. I’m starting to feel old.';

'>>191391
You have never been in a proper fight in your life. You think your fake play fight randori and "rolling" makes you a trained killer when you'd get btfo in an actual fight. You act all smart and think you can take on an average KOTS fighter, you'd get your shit pushed in. Lmfao.

The point of this thread is that judo is very inefficient in terms of self defence';

'>>191355
Fedor literally has a judo black belt and a Master of Sport ranking in judo, which you can only get if you win or place in national level championships. Russia is a big judo country too, so their national championships are very competitive.';

'>>191405
Yet used no judo in his fights';

'>>191405
see
>>191360
you notice how judo is second, behind the Sambo part? You notice he has 2 bronze medals for national judo competition, from early in his carrer, and like 7 gold national Sambo commpetition throughout his prime career? Not to mention the 5 gold and 1 bronze in international/world Sambo competitions. I couldnt even get his judo medals in the screenshot for all the Sambo medals. It might be because he was better and more involved in sambo(wrestling). You just don't want to admit he was a much better wrestler than a judoka. Whats funnier is I would argue he was a better striker than a wrestler, but that is besides the point. I can speak Spanish and English, but if I only speak English and think in English, that makes me an English speaker, even though I am capable of speaking Spanish';

'>>191358
nigga couldn't even read the full wikipedia article';

'>>191418
>It might be because he was better and more involved in sambo(wrestling).
>You just don't want to admit he was a much better wrestler than a judoka.
Ignoring the fact you're trying to pretend that sambo is the same as wrestling, I thought judo was fake and gay and doesn't work?

If he was that good of a wrestler, how come he wasn't anywhere near as good at judo?';

'>>191413
Confirmed for never watching a Fedor fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu5kr0XZROo';

'ohnonononono

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abebon1Af64';

'>>191477
lmao sure he trained judo, I never denied that. In the next few paragraphs it literally says there were two converging sambo styles, and one is literally based on catch wrestling
>>191478
it's literally wrestling, it's influenced by wrestling and judo, but it is a style of wrestling, not a style of judo. It's got influence from boxing as well but no one is saying it's boxing. Also that is proving my point that judo is fake and gay. He literally stopped competing in judo and kept competing in sambo(wrestling) during his dominant reign in mma. That's implying he stopped training what didn't work(Judo) and kept what did work very well (sambo). You judo fags are seriously this retarded';

'>>191491
can we end this charade and stop pretending catch wrestling ever existed?

where has this supposedly superior deadly grappling style gone?';

'>>191491
>wikipedia article says it's wrestling so it doesn't count
I'm about to blow your mind.';

'>>191491
>That's implying he stopped training what didn't work(Judo) and kept what did work very well (sambo).
No, that's implying that he couldn't succeed in judo because he wasn't good enough. So he went to compete in a brand new sport at the time and dominate because it had a lower talent pool.';

'Wrestled in high school and do boxing nowadays. Yeah judo's basically jacket wrestling and some of their techniques require handles. But to dismiss it reeks of ignorance. Judo has been pressure-tested for over a century. It's well documented against other styes and there's a reason why many law enforcement and armed forces incorporate judo techniques in their CQC curriculum.

And no judo means no BJJ and Sambo. At least not in the form that we're used to.

Seriously guys, grappling is the most non-BS aspect of martial arts because the whole crux of it is to train with technique, leverage, and conditioning against an active partner whose doing the same to you (in a safe manner). We don't need this shit-flinging. Yeah some judo techniques aren't as good as compared to a good single leg or flying mare in certain situations. It's all wrestling in the end. Just different interpretations and flavors.';

'>>191496
>>191497
>>191499
Judo is unnecessary when you can just learn wrestling

Judo played itself by removing it's most useful tools such as leg attacks, and now it's just a meme sport you have to play along with, similar to sport bjj. Only really effective if you engage

Whereas a beginner wrestler can just use basic techniques to get you down';

'>>191532
>Judo played itself by removing it's most useful tools such as leg attacks
Leg attacks weren't removed from judo until 2008. All of Fedor's judo competition experience was in the 90s and early 2000s when leg grabs were legal.

You were the one who played yourself all along.';

'>>191539
My dude, who cares about Fedor. He knocks people out and uses freestyle more than anything. He doesn't do ippon seonagis you dumb dumb';

'>>191496
judo is not recognized as a style of wrestling by the UWW fucking mong, I'm not just looking for the word wrestling. Why can't you guys do any critical thinking? Is judo actually a cult to brainwash you retards?';

'>>191497
so again, stop moving the goal posts. I never said he was a good judoka, you did, and I actually said he was a better wrestler, so thanks for agreeing with me on that. He was your example of being judo beating wrestling, but then you turn around and say he wasn't even good at judo, so I'm not sure what your point is anymore. That some washed up judo player(and world champion wreslter) just woke up and dominated MMA? That's pretty funny considering the judo gold medalist(and dogshit wrestler) yoshida was not even close to the same caliber of fighter';

'>>191557
>>191558
Judo dweebs can't accept it's a game that relies on other person to play along

If you're a black belt 7th Dan you may get a throw if the conditions perfectly align and no one's trying to hit you';

'>>191575
what do you mean play along?';

'>>191545
>uses freestyle more than anything
You don't even know what freestyle is.

How many double legs and high crotches do you see Fedor doing? He uses almost exclusively upper body takedowns, hip tosses, and trips. All of his submissions on his record are jud submissions.';

'>>191557
>>191557
>judo is not recognized as a style of wrestling by the UWW
Neither is sambo you dumbfuck. FIAS is the governing body of sambo. UWW hasn't managed sambo since the 1980s. Try getting information outside of wikipedia no-train.';

'>>191545
>>191558
>NOOOO HE"S A WRESTLER BECAUSE I SAID SO';

'>>191611
He's literally using wrestling hooks in most of those lmao';

'>>191614
holy cope';

'>>191609
you just posted a wiki article as a counter point, disgus. Also, did sambo wrestling cease being wrestling when they formed the FIAS? No. Did it magically become judo when they formed the FIAS? No. It was never under any judo federation nor was judo under any wrestling federation. It was always wrestling and it was never judo. So my point still stands that Sambo is wrestling, and judo is not wrestling';

'>>191611
>4 or 5 throws in what looks like sambo....
>Fedor was the BEST judoka

fedor also knocked people out, and he actually did it in the majority of his matches. Does that magically make him a boxer or kickboxer? He's got more knockouts than subs on his record. 4 or 5 throws that he probably learned/practiced in sambo(wrestling) does not make him a judoka. By that logic, he is more of a boxer/kickboxer than wrestler, which is what I initially said. I also said he was a better wreslter than judo player as well and you're just caught up on that part because you're brainwashed to defend judo over anything

https://youtu.be/B2YenlcbP9g?si=vweSCEulSDJF-5Dx';

'>>191614
>sweeping hip throws are totally popular in wrestling and not judo I swear
Just kill yourself at this point';

'>>191712
>4 or 5 throws that he probably learned/practiced in sambo(wrestling)
Ok, name the throws. What are they called in wrestling?

>does not make him a judoka
No, him training in judo, having a black belt in judo, and competing in national/international judo tournaments makes him a judoka as much as it makes him a sambo practitioner.';

'>>191712
>>191491
>It was always wrestling and it was never judo. So my point still stands that Sambo is wrestling, and judo is not wrestling
You spent half the thread trying to argue anything with a jacket is bullshit, then the moment sambo is brought up you're trying to sweep it under wrestling the moment it suits your point. Even ignoring that sambo was heavily influenced by judo.

>and one is literally based on catch wrestling
It's not. Catch-as-catch-can wrestling lineage is well documented and it never hit the USSR.


>fedor also knocked people out, and he actually did it in the majority of his matches.
>He's got more knockouts than subs on his record
Peak wikipedia reading.

Even in fights where he won by knockout, he used his grappling all the time. The whole reason why Fedor was special is because he mixed his striking with his grappling seamlessly, which few people were doing at the time in this period of MMA.';

'>>189557
Wrestlers being the biggest fart sniffers in grappling is always a spectacle to see.';

'>>191810
t. buttflustered pyjama loser';

'>>192153
>t. Butt thumbing homo';

'I've been watching this thread for a few weeks now and I have to say...

You two faggots are on the gayest anime site on the Internet, defending your own gay sport, shitting on another gay sport, trying to figure out which gay fucking sport is less gay than the other gay fucking sport.

You're both flaming gay fucking faggots, congratulations.';

'>>192205
Babbys first week on 4chins';

'>>192205
They're adorable and they're going to end up buying a house with a lovely garden and shit.';

'>uhhh like yeah I'm just gonna off balance you with my grip fighting
>Hold still! I need to grab your collar lapel and your wrist!
>Owwww! Stop punching me! Oww!
>That hurts! Oww my tooth just flew out staaahhhp!
>*Gets knocked the fuck out*

Vs

>Just gonna single leg you real quick
>Shoots from outside striking range and the drops the fucker on his head

Nothing personal';

'>>192457
>Just gonna single leg you real quick
>Shoots from outside striking range and the drops the fucker on his head
in reality

>shoots single leg
>dies';

'>>192459
>Posts rigged circus fight as an example to why wrestling totally doesn't work bro

Kek. Judo dweebs getting desperate';

'>>192471
>judo doesn't work because ufc bro
>n-n-no that doesn't count';

'I cross train bjj and judo. Gotta admit that training under olympic judo rules can reduce it's effectiveness. For example, there are lots of leg picking techniques that are not allowed in judo, so most judo guys will never expect to get their leg picked or to get double legged which caused me a bit of culture shock when starting judo. But when I'm able to mix both bjj takedowns and judo takedowns on my bjj classes I start to appreciate judo a lot. Just wish that dojos mixing both sports were more popular.

Also, I wish I could train wrestling as well, I think it is a beautiful and effecttive art, but there is nowhere to learn it casually because it seems to be an "elite young faggets only" club. So judo+bjj becomes my only choice. Wrestling should try to become a bit more open to the general public, even if it's not for high performance training.

To end this post: don't be stupid faggots and just cross train, or even better, just train anything instead of larping. I doubt many "wrestlers" on this thread even wrestle at all.';

'>>192479
good luck suplexing giga nigger and his other gay friends in jail. Young people are really stupid';

'>>192491
i have to correct myself, hadn't seen the video correctly. what a moron. still I think my point stands, don't try to murder people against the ground for silly stupid shit.';

'>>192490
QFT

Judo, collegiate, Greco-Roman, freestyle, BJJ, Sambo, sumo, pehlwani, luta livre, catch, bokh, and so on. It's all grappling in some form and you can't bullshit your way out of it in live drills and practice like other martial styles.

I can cite multiple examples of judoka thrashing wrestlers and wrestlers dominating judoka. 1 form of grappling is defeating another form of grappling; what's the harm in that?';

'Heh
https://youtu.be/T1lKwrT_TZ8?si=zRfURl9fAUCsx28P';

'The thread that btfo judo';

'>>194428
necrofag';

'>>189557
Judo is good but judofags are pretty insufferable. Judo is best taken supplementary for your wrestling/bjj but for grappling or MMA I wouldn't make it my focus.';

'>>194453
What are retarded statement, how are you still alive and not sticking your fingers in electrical sockets?';

'>>194461
Calm down ESL friend';

'>>194463
its my esl friend';