'>>189781
I could imagine the plate guy being able to bash the other guy.';

'https://youtu.be/tOgSOXSjthE?si=tdFN41RcYoeCpHI8';

'>>189781
Without weapons the unarmored trained fighter would win. It would probably hurt a lot to get hit with a fist covered in a thin layer of metal but with the obvious movement and training advantage it isnt even close. You are basically fighting a fat guy with a heavy backpack on, no flexibility. If you are able to grab the legs grip the plates or the cloth or a decent grip on chainmail it is ggs, they would be almost like a turtle on the ground';

'>>189781
Just like fighting a guy bigger than you, but he's made of metal';

'>>189975
Armor was designed with perfect flexibility in the joints. A man in armor can move just as well as someone not in armor assuming they’re not a complete weakling.
https://youtu.be/qzTwBQniLSc?feature=shared

Still I do agree that if the armored guy is completely untrained in fighting the grappler probably has a good chance of winning. One of the first things a knight would start learning at the age of 7 or 8 was wrestling including a whole bunch of joint locks because that’s how you can beat a guy in armor with your bear hands. Hell, that’s also why OG japanese jujutsu favored throws and locks over strikes too. You can’t punch a guy in a helmet but you can still snap his limbs.';

'>>189781
untrained armored guy will lose due to lack of stamina, strength, and skill. Wearing armor sucks for beginners.';

'Lower body manipulation is a problem for most of these guys from the footage I've seen. Seems like most of the visors kill your sight from the waist down, letting sweeps/low kicks etc just dump people. Maybe some hip locking up from the armor connections too, pulling the upper body even faster.';

'>>189781
Is the armored guy untrained? Because most of HEMA covers at least grappling fundamentals, and I think by page volume wrestling makes up the bulk of surviving fencing manuscripts.

But either way depending on the armor the grappler has no meaningful way to end the fight. Neck protection is a priority so you likely won't be able to strangle the guy out, and the joints are designed with the minimum required ROM in mind, and would probably lock out before you could hurt him that way.

Even if the armored guy is at least just decent or has good cardio he wins by default.';

'>>189982
>One of the first things a knight would start learning at the age of 7 or 8 was wrestling including a whole bunch of joint locks because that’s how you can beat a guy in armor with your bear hands. Hell, that’s also why OG japanese jujutsu favored throws and locks over strikes too
Both yuro and jap hsitoric grappling had lock mostly to dominate the opponent while you get a weapon to stab him. Locks designed to end fights are something that only really start appearing in civilian scenarios where people are training for fun or day-to-day self defense. In the case of Japan they only start appearing well into the Edo Period when martial arts became a sport and social club.';

'>>189781
Take the HEMA tard down and stomp on his head until he stops breathing. I wonder if his Fagentauneur manual has techniques that regrow brain cells.';

'>>190032
If the bjj wizard has him on the ground and can manipulate him,
I guess he can also remove his helmet and gouge eyes';

'>>190038
Helmets are supposed to buckled or strapped, and even visors will have locking mechanism. Seems fiddly to bank on being able to do that against a guy that's supposedly resisting you.';

'>>190033
>source: your ass
You are both wrong and retarded. Limb snapping isn’t a modern invention.';

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'>>189811
the real lesson is some people don't train. and if you have never been hit with a full body weight throw before...';

'>>190101
Believe or not the guy doing the throw ended up more injured. The guy who got dropped had the wind knocked out of him but the guy doing the throw was concussed by the pommel strikes to the head.';

'>>190096
I wouldn't call the 17th century modern';

'>>190102
Why would you lie? Those pummel strikes had no structure behind them and even then were hitting the mask.';

'>>190096
It was never as clean as it is now though, most modern joint lock submissions are from late 1800s and on. In wrestling it was mainly just trying to pull something until it breaks, there was no technique to submissions. Even the toe hold which was probably one of the more common 1800s wrestling submissions was just pulling the foot in one direction when the opponent was turtled up. The armbar as we know it was only introduced to America around 1905 or something like that. So while submissions were around for thousands of years, they really weren't around to be used on battlefields, especially in Europe where there was superior weaponry and armor, they would mainly use a takedown to use their weapon to kill someone on the ground if they were armored, if they were unarmored then it doesn't even get to a grapple.';