'>>4769029
that happens anywhere with an ancient human population';

'>>4769031
And yet euros are the only human population that prides themselves for "inventing" environmental conservation after it was already too late. Also, all the species I listed were killed off after the Quaternary extinction event.';

'Megafauna are so overrated. I can understand dinosaurs and weird shit from Miocene, but bigger and furrier versions of shit we have now hold none of my interest.';

'>>4769029
survival of the sneedest';

'>>4769029
What about other megafauna on other continents that went extinct for the same reason? Do you feel the same way?';

'>>4769029
dumb take, it's easy to feel like this now that we're way above the dangers of wildlife but back in the day these creature were either actively predating us or competing with our food sources, were humans just supposed to let themselves be eaten or starve so that pretty animals could hang around?
now this being said some future point once humans are perhaps less present in these areas it may be neat to reintroduce megafauna to the area and see how it goes, like the goals of Pleistocene park in russia.';

'>>4769054
These maps are utter feces. One can see states from the second half of 20th century on it. France more forested then Germany in 1000 BC?';

'>>4769029
But they did kill off those things in america, they even killed all the horses without domesticating any. Wolves/bison/ibex are still extant in europe too.';

'>>4769391
>were humans just supposed to let themselves be eaten or starve so that pretty animals could hang around?
Yes, you were evolved to do so. That's why the Pleistocene megafauna existed in the first place.';

'>>4769783
Evolution has no purpose and no goals. Just statistics.

Humans who were eaten by cats ceased to exist. Humans who killed the big cats continued to exist. It's as shrimple as that.
>BUT I GET A BONER FROM IMAGINING IM LIVESTOCK FOR THE KITTY
Yes, I know, i've seen the lionfucker threads. All zoophiles and furfags on /an/ are primarily into horses, birds, or big cats. All of them. No exceptions.';

'>>4769802
>BUT I GET A BONER FROM IMAGINING IM LIVESTOCK FOR THE KITTY
Is that what’s happening here? Why are they like this?';

'>>4769029
I mostly shit on UK for getting rid of most of their cool modern animals. Even small ones like boar and beavers have relatively recently been reintroduced. Its fucking hilarious but sad that the largest land mammal remaining there was deer until they added bison again like 2 years ago';

'>>4769391
>were humans just supposed to let themselves be eaten or starve so that pretty animals could hang around?
that's a false dichotomy faggot';

'>>4769054
>And yet euros are the only human population that regretted eliminating their megafauna enough to invent environmental conservation.
FTFY.';

'Another cry baby thread where OP is upset that you can't have big animals or predators across the globe because humanity is a natural apex and does give a flying fuck about letting something that will kill/eat/disturb lifestock or settlements some how live alongside them in peace or harmony. You like the aesthetic, nothing more. If these dead end biological niches were still around today you would have seethe threads about how annoying the animals are to farmers or how they wreck gardens or disrupt traffic because one decided to wander off the reserve for the day.

The only thing I feel bad about it is not having the chance to taste a steak made out of any of them.';

'>>4769947
Kek wrong pic. Poetic I suppose with how I said humans were the apex.';

'>>4769830
>false dichotomy
in which way? those were the reasons humans pushed out megafauna.
if you wanted european megafauna to stick around humans would have had to remain more at the whims of other animals which means either being eaten by or competing for food/space with.
>>4769783
You're free to go feed yourself to a bear if you want, retard';

'>>4769031
It's even more frustrating with the places that only recently got a human population. We lost Moas only 500 years ago. If the fucking Maori had all just perished at sea the second tallest creature on earth would be a bird.';

'>>4769390
I get the aching feeling the answer is no';

'>>4769471
Wow, it's almost like France is on one side of a major river, and Germany is on the other.';

'>>4770317
>Wow, it's almost like France is on one side of a major river, and Germany is on the other.


Have a (you) and some extra chromosome you crave.';

'>>4769948
>Poetic I suppose with how I said humans were the apex.
>humans were the apex.

>Glad to see you know your time is over';

'>>4770105
It was pretty fucking stupid of them to drive them to extinction. Giant flightless birds that could feed multiple people each. At least in the mainlands there were contributing factors like climactic events. Moaris just went and fucked al the cool big things up';

'>>4770715
Being fair, ‘fucking things up’ was kind of the whole Maōri MO, not just limited to big animals, they even drove several other Polynesian tribes to extinction, including one that was actually vehemently determined to remain pacifist no matter what iirc';

'>>4771087
>they even drove several other Polynesian tribes to extinction, including one that was actually vehemently determined to remain pacifist no matter what iirc
ngl that makes me be a bit more forgiving for extincting moas';

'>>4769054
Please look up forest coverage until today. We've been regrowing them for decades (in Austria, that is).';

'>>4770715
If only they could've domesticate them or something. speaking of which how come the Dodo was never domesticated? I know according to sailors describing it you either like it or hate it but they would be so perfect as livestock.';

'>>4769054
>the forests of 1000bc just happen to perfectly match the borders of the modern Greek state exactly...';

'>uh no it's actually le GOOD that we drove all these animals extinct
- euroids, on the animals and nature board';

'>>4771975
yeah being british i'm glad I can walk in the countryside without the risk of being mauled to death by a wolf or bear and I quite like it that way. fuck the hippy cunts that want to reintroduce them. I don't mind lynxes, they are aesthetic and cool as fuck they can come back';

'I don’t know man you have to strike a delicate balance. I’m from Idaho and was fully on board with bringing back wolves and grizzly bears. Then it got so politicized that the cunts let things get out of hands with wolves, pissed away millions of dollars better spent on habitat protection on lawsuits to prevent population management, completely extirpated the last reindeer herd in the lower 48, the elk have been pushed out of the mountains, and they never comped the ranchers and people who’s pets got eaten like they were supposed to because it was such a politically hot issue. You can bring megafauna back you just can’t be fucking gay about it like the god damn out of stater environmentalist dickheads always are. It’s like California thinking controlled burns were raping Mother Nature and now multiple species have gone extinct because they turned the whole state into a giant tinder box.';

'>>4772018
And the UK won’t even let people shoot badgers despite the TB problem kek. Don’t even attempt.';

'>>4771937
Aren't borders usually formed around geography
Doesn't Greece have a mountain to the north';

'>>4769802
>hairless apes that got lucky frothing at the mouth over the fact that they were once Dinofelis/Leopard/Megantereon snackies';

'>>4769054
>Hey, whitey here. I accidentally burned down my house and now i'm hear to tell you not to. I can help. We're developing ways of doing things that don't wreck the place.
>WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF WHATABOUT YOU YOU'RE JUST AS BAD YOU DID IT TOO YOU'RE JUST AS BAD WHAT ABOUT YOU...
>And you wonder why we keep being racist.... oh shit nevermind you're white too. Wait, you're white too?
>CHINA STRONG
>What the fuck';

'>>4772194
Literally what the fuck are you trying to say? Post-election 4chan is an affront to God.';

'>>4772194
Actually the west is far far worse when it comes to these things. I mean look at America, basically the entire eastern half of the country got deforested, and nearly all of Europe is essentially barren of any megafauna besides the odd deer here and there.

It's extrordinarily hypocritical for you to preach about environmentalism and keeping nature intact when your ilk have pretty much urbanized your entire living space. So unless you're gonna take the elephants, you don't really got a place to talk.';

'>>4772198
Pointing out how fucking absurd it is when you bring up this racebait bullshit
>And yet euros are the only human population that prides themselves for "inventing" environmental conservation after it was already too late
And this
>>4772204
>omg ur hypocrites
Sorry I didnt know OUR RACE was a unit, fellow white person. And I say that because I know, for sure, that you are white.

*I* can't say conversation is a good idea to the people that are shooting lions and elephants to sell to people who think ground up bones enlarges penises NOW because some guy who's the same color as me cut down a tree 200 years ago? You white liberals are something else

And you are always white. I have never heard this epic, subversive, woke, race aware opinion from anyone else.';

'>Stop killing elephants for voodoo magic and illegal luxury goods
>BUT 5000 YEARS AGO SOMEONE WHO SORT OF LOOKED LIKE YOU KILLED YOUR ELEPHANTS, POSSIBLY';

'>>4772204
They should send those elephants to north america so we can have mastodons back.';

'>>4772204
>it’s the retard who wants to tear down all natural space in the third world so brownoids can le industrialize and keep up with whitey
man you’re dumb';

'>>4772434
dontcha know he's a white person who thinks he's not racist, that means he views everyone else as inferior but wants the best for them. hence he can not imagine non-whites having a modern society without tearing down everything and dumping sludge in the river like we still have 1700s technology (since he is a well meaning white anti racist, that is all he assumes brown people can have). but at the same time, he hates white people (despite being white) and will say shit as dumb as "white people can not advocate for animal welfare because somewhere in switzerland a farmer ate a kitten yesterday".

of course, his views are peak bullshit. he is peak bullshit. a victim of fashionable nonsense. postmodernism, anti-logic.';

'>>4769390
>extinct for the same reason
Here on my continent, North America, there was no mass killing of mega fauna past the initial Pleistocene-Holocene extinction event. That was until euros came and killed off large populations of wolves, bears, cougars, jaguars, bison, musk ox, moose, elk, prong horns, sea cows, whales... Like I said before, a lot of these animals only have healthy populations in Canada due its inhospitably. My ancestors learned from their mistakes and took up a culture revering nature. Meanwhile, euros inhered a culture of "have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth", and exported it across the new world.
>>4772204
This anon gets it.
>>4772205
That's not me, dumb ass.';

'>>4773298
>White people can not support conservation because in the past some white people did not
Hey man, if I can't conserve nature because I'm white, I can also arrest all black people pre-emptively because in the past, some black people have been criminal, and I can expel the jews for similar reasons. That's how racism works. You set the precedent and eat the consequences, which just so happen to hand the planet to germany and japan, or you admit you are fucking stupid.';

'>>4773298
>some guy who was the same color as this conservationist, back in the 1700s, did this
>therefore whites must stop telling other people to stop dumping smelter waste into rivers.
>now, MY people...
Spoilers: His people = white, he's falseflagging as a chinese shill, because he is paleoschizo.';

'>>4773300
>>4773303
No you fucking retards. The point is that we still have underdeveloped countries which lack sufficient urbanized areas while basically all your natural reserves are kept to solely the inhospitable areas. Tear down half your cities and replace it with nature reserves; reintroduce hyenas and lions to Europe, and then we'll talk.

>>4773303
Also quit calling everyone who disagrees with you a self hating white you weirdo, I'm from India and we deal with plenty of shit because of "muh nature" from you hypocritical retards. Again, unless you're gonna take our elephants, shut up about how we're supposed to treat ours (which we've always done far better than you devils by the way).';

'>>4772204
shipping elephants to another continent as protest for personal slights is quite the power move';

'>>4773356
>OUR, I MEAN, YOUR CITIES
>NOOO TH EHECKIN BROWNS NEED TO TEAR IT DOWN TOO
We tore shit down because we lacked the technology to do better. Developing countries have an opportunity to do better, you self hating white weirdo.

if you actually are from india, your spices are poisoning the world with cadmium and lead poisoning because they actually think like you. They're fucking idiots. You're a fucking idiot. The industrial revolution poisoned our people for GENERATIONS. People are still growing up with lead poisoning from leaded gas deposits in topsoil.

OHHH NOOOO THE THIRDIES CANT BUILD A HECKIN CHEAP FACTORY DAMN US WHITE PEOPLE ARE SO HORRIBLE
They have other options that we never did, you fucking retard. They can build the society we wish we did.';

'>>4773356
Remember when our ancestors killed all the wolves? That was because our ancestors were primitive shepherds who could hardly even manage sheep let alone larger animals like cattle.

Now thirdies can order equipment from us, be factory farmers and keep their wolves. But noooo they must wreck the environment and we can't complain because someone who shared our skin color 200 years ago did a baddy bad! Seriously, if you consider that an argument, sins of the ancestors, you're condemning more than one race by means of ethical consistency. You're a fucking retard.';

'>>4773412
Not the guy you're arguing with but it's easy to write the sorry state of European biodiversity off as something caused by people 5000 or 200 years ago, and while true, it doesn't change the fact that we're doing a shitty job taking care of what's left of it and feel no patriotic duty to restore it. How many 100+ year old trees were there a century ago and how many are there now? Just about anything that isn't pine plantation is being massacred by diseases and bugs we imported from Asia. Vultures were basically driven extinct in the parts of Europe they resided mainly because a kind of antibiotics that are used in cattle is toxic to them. And for the record wolves were systematically driven extinct in English because the Norman kings obsessed with hunting were idiotically possessive over their deer. (that said in most of Europe we drove them extinct for saner reasons)';

'>>4769054
Doesn't really seem to be that much different from the East Asia.
>is OP a brownoid, self-hating white, or jew?';

'>the ‘bitching about whitey’ thread was made by a spiteful seething brown person
wow, I’m shocked';

'>>4773398
i mean, it would be
if they actually did it';

'>>4773298
>Here on my continent, North America
And what about Asia? Australia? The rest of Oceania? South America? Africa? Was everything coincidentally all fine and dandy until whites showed up in these places too?';

'>>4773409
>>4773412

>Y-YOU'RE JUST WHITE!!!
>YOU HAVE TO BE A WHITE LIBURUAL BECAUSE YOU'RE DISAGREEING WITH ME!!!

Genuinely shut the fuck up you dumbass, the fact that this is your only argument is sad.

We do not tear shit down willy nilly like you idiots because we have always been conscious of our environment and sought to protect it while keeping our people alive. All yours have done is poison the world as well as your own lands. Look at picrel for a moment, do you see something strange? The EU and US do not have the population of India combined yet produce far more CO2. You know why? Because those countries are not environmentally conscious and they create by the far the most problems.

So when we put down an elephant or tiger that killed 5 people or allow trophy hunting because it brings revenue then you need to shut the fuck up and let us work. My argument is not about your ancestors, my argument is that you and your countries still suck and yet pretend that they do not out of a sense of superiority.
.';

'>>4773502
>India
They are also number one when it comes to fertilizing the ocean with human feces. A level of ecological consciousness no white nation can match.';

'>>4773502
maybe look into some charts that aren’t a decade old champ';

'>>4773502
Ah yes, because the River Ganges (a supposed ‘holy site’) is such a testament to India’s ‘environmental consciousness’';

'>>4769031
>that happens anywhere with an ancient human population
It happens a lot more with any modern human population...
Idiots here pretend to mourn extinct megafauna but they then go and post in pro-invasive species threads cheering on invasives that cause loads more extinctions.
These are the idiots who think that the word "naturalised" means that an invasive species has magically become a part of the ecosystem that it has wrecked.
"Naturalised" only means we can't get rid of it now. That's literally what it means. It's not a good thing.';

'>>4773519
Wypipo don't season/fertilize they rivers';

'>>4773507
>>4773535
>stREEEEEEEEEt shitters!!!!!!!!!!
Westoids have 1 argument.

>>4773519
Yes but for an underdeveloped nation of over a billion it's to be expected. One cherrypicked picture doesn't mean much, especially when you conside Lake Erie and the River Svern. The fact that the Ganges is as polluted as these way less populated centers is clear indication that per capita we are far more environmentally cautious.

>>4773516
Look it up and see if the numbers changed, 10 years isn't a lot for these things and it's probably only gotten worse for you because of the sanctions on Russia.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/what-india-can-teach-the-world-about-sustainability/';

'>>4773300
Tell me where until now I brought race into the conversation? The destruction caused by the euro is a cultural matter, not a genetic one. I would never stoop so low as to criticize some for an imitable characteristic.

>>4773303
You are paleoschizo, retard. Rather, you are at least one of paleoschizos. Only a schizo would think multiple people are the same guy just for having similar opinions, schizo.';

'>>4773507
>retarded incel still believing that photoshopped pic
it's incredible how easy it is to fool rightoids';

'>>4773502
>le hypocrites
Your point: people before me who are now dead
The issue: you and your contemporaries have polluted so much your curry contains cadmium and lead.
>because they are not…
Because most people in your country dont even have constant electricity. Shitholes use less fuel but can produce more non-co2 waste easily.';

'>>4774864
>euros in the past who are now dead
>india right now
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/pollution/amp/plastic-waste-woes-a-primer-on-india-s-marine-litter-problem-87059

Dont give us any per capita shit either when your standard of living is bronze age feudal shit with motorcycles and we cant buy spices from you without lead warnings due to abominable industrial and recycling practices that were already solved problems everywhere else

You’re giant sanfrancisco without an economy. You’re not environmentalists until you cut the toxic pollution and start a one child policy.';

'>>4771937
Yeah that's how borders are formed';

'@04
>shows nothing to prove it wrong
leftoids are such slimy scum';

'>>4773546
>One cherrypicked picture
Learn what cherrypicked means, that’s absolutely representative of the Ganges and there’s way more like it if you’re interested';

'>>4773298
>there was no mass killing of mega fauna past the initial Pleistocene-Holocene extinction event.
>"there was no mass killing of megafauna if you ignore the MASSIVE KILLING OFF OF ALL OF NORTH AMERICA'S MEGAFAUNA BY THE FIRST HUMANS THERE"
Damn dude, dumb take,
Compared to what was killed off when the native came buffalo aren't even close to being considered megafauna.';

'>>4773298
>My ancestors learned from their mistakes and took up a culture revering nature
Your ancestors killed all the megafauna of the land, they carved a niche into the landscape for themselves by slaughtering all of the biggest animals first.
It's not "revering" or living in tune with nature if it's a stunted ecosystem you shaped for yourself by killing off the majority of the animals that couldn't co-exist with you.';

'I just realized that this thread is about two different Indians hating whitey. Very clever guys, very clever.';

'@44
>following a link and clicking another link is too mentally taxing for the mentally challenged rightoids
i thought you were the side of facts and logic? guess not. anyway the original is gone but it's still measuring the same thing here. enjoy being BTFO';

'>>4775149
Tbf both of them are subhumans that got blown the fuck out by Anglos. The only difference is that the stone age ones required centuries of war by different sovereign states to bring them down, whereas the Pajeets got wrecked by a single company and their mercenaries.';

'>>4775151
If the link was left in then pretty sure it’s supposed to be a joke dude.';

'>>4769935
Retard. There is environmental conservation everywhere.';

'>>4775149
>>4775155
>both types still assblasted they lost
pottery';

'>>4771979
I, on the other hand, am sad and disappointed that modern brits can walk in the countrysude without any risk of getting mauled by a bear or wolf.';

'>>4774926
I am not Indian, dumbass. I told you I am from North America. Regardless...
>euros in the past
Don't you mean euros now?
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/agriculture/european-parliament-votes-down-amended-version-of-nature-restoration-law-90367
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/renewable-energy/europe-hypocrisy-amid-shift-to-coal-what-about-climate-goals--83465
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/water/60-european-water-bodies-highly-polluted-study-61058

>>4775140
>>4775142
I judge your ancestors by the same standards I judge my own. Your ancestors contributed to a mass extinction upon first arrival, my ancestors contributed to a mass extinction upon first arrival. My ancestors learned from this tragedy and never repeated it. Your ancestors did it again multiple times with little remorse.';

'>>4777167
>muh ancestors, ur ancestors, deez ppl whoze skin be duh same color as urs
Your ancestors were godless savages and a threat to civility so we should jail you at once until you voluntarily become a christian monk, in line with the traditions of my ancestors. Or are those too recent? Let's go back to the ones that lived in harmony with nature. We should kill all the men in your family and take the women and silver. Valhalla!

Or you could stop racebaiting';

'>>4777167
>My ancestors learned from this tragedy and never repeated it
They repeated it for thousands of years, the north american megafauna didn't disappear overnight.
It's a foolish concept that people have programmed themselves with, imagining that native americans chose not to conquer further to "live in tune with nature" (which again they weren't fucking doing, they culled nature until they found themselves in a niche that suited their tech level, as every human group has done) like they're some sort of mystical fairies. Your ancestors were blood and bone like the rest of us, power hungry beasts because that's what humans are and i'm sick of everyone pretending otherwise.
If the native americans had the means to technologically advance further (there's many hypotheticals of why though i tend to lean towards the "lack of domesticatable animals" hypothesis) they would have culled even more because technologically advanced societies are evolutionarily more successful than primitive societies.
The society that rationalizes the use and expansion of technological usage and resource acquisition is going to be more successful than the one that chooses to let their children die of preventable diseases and let their elderly starve due to ignorant refusal of tech.
The only thing that could emancipate us from ourselves was technology or death.';

'>>4777174
I really appreciate this response. It is very intelligent, and I agree with most of it. To be honest with you, I am not actually xenophobic towards Europeans. This thread was a parody. Specifically a parody of some people I've seen here. People that have an irrational hatred for Native Americans in regards to megafaunal extinctions. They think Native Americans never evolved culturally since the paleolithic, and as consequence do not take their environmentalism seriously. I've even seen some schizos say that the near extinction of the American Bison was due to buffalo runs, as opposed to United States policy.
Of course it is ridiculous to blame an entire race for the actions of their ancestors, especially if there cultures are radically different in modern day. While the whole "living in balance with nature" archetype is heavily romanticized, it is not entirely inaccurate. Not upsetting nature's balance in fear of its wrath, like in many low-tech cultures, was and is a core part Native American philosophy. It's not a lie just because their ancestors caused extinctions. By that logic Europeans would also be lying when they say they care about the environment, because as you said, their ancestors did the same thing.
>inb4 anyone posts pic related';

'>>4777807
>bro I was just pretending';

'>>4777807
>I am not actually xenophobic towards Europeans. This thread was a parody.
Oh alright, if true you seemed awfully genuine but i'll take your word at face value.
I should say think it's dumb to have an irrational hatred of native americans for megafauna extinction because literally every human group but the africans (who have megafauna well adapted to human bullshit) did it. My point is just "humans are humans".
>It's not a lie just because their ancestors caused extinctions.
I didn't say it was a lie (a lie requires intent), I'm saying that it's just not really true. Of course the descendants may believe they're living in harmony with nature because they're living within the niche their ancestors carved out, they don't have the knowledge of those past extinctions because why would they.
I do think moving towards a future where we live more in balance with nature is a positive thing, but i feel like having it be built on untruths (and those untruths being used to single out groups of people as inferior) isn't a good or moral thing. That being said humans are stupid and it's entirely possible they need those mythical ideas to actually behave in a civilized manner, so who knows.';

'>>4775445
Led by rich white people';

'>>4777807
>People that have an irrational hatred for Native Americans in regards to megafaunal extinctions.
Sounds like something you made up in your head, but if anything this would be more understandable considering how shielded Amerindians are from any and all criticism of their past (and modern) behavior because they got le owned in wars 100 years ago and we all need to feel bad for them now or something - it’s true that *certain* Amerindians (they were not a monolith and different tribes had different views/traditions) did what they could to ‘live off the land’ sustainably so to speak, but that definitely can’t be said of all of them, never mind those that waged war on pretty much anything that moved including the wildlife they came across, so the lesson here is any attempt to point blame at “Euros” for some past historical wrongdoing can likely be redirected back at whichever group is doing it several times over.';

'>>4777822
>I didn't say
I know. I wasn't talking about you, just something I've seen others say.';

'>>4777837
who only did so after learning from generations of their rich white ancestors that destroyed the environment';

'>>4769029
Anon most of those animals went extinct before modern Euros settled in Europe.';

'>>4769118
this is absolutely atrocious, but i still keked';

'>>4769029
wolves, ibex and bison still exist in europe';

'>>4769029
Stop crying about nature doing nature stuff while fetishizing your own warped sense of what nature is.
Goddamn demons would turn the earth into a smithsonian exhibit if they got their way.';