'CICO still applies, you fucking dumb retard.';

'>>74075185
>I won't be losing weight lmao
That’s not what it means at all retard.';

'Why would you want to be an autofaggot';

'>>74075185
>magically break fast due to insulin spike or whatever and I won't be losing weight lmao
autophagy is not about losing weight, you're just saying that either because you're listening to ketoschizos on jewtube or because you're flat out retarded, and yes insulin activity and autophagy processes are inversely related because of very easy to understand evolutionary reasons.
>fast
autophagy happens also in non fasted conditions
get a grip and stop saying shit on the internet just because you have nothing to do, you're not special.
fuck off my board.';

'>>74075252
>very easy to understand evolutionary reasons.
And what are they, retard';

'>>74075365
>tell me stuff you paid for and spent effort to understand over years of studiyng
ggrks fag, or get a degree before saying shit you know nothing about.
not here to spoonfeed you.';

'>>74075404
Lmao peak dunning kruger retard';

'>>74075404
good job pwning that guy, anon.
i totally believe you know everything you claim to know and i am impressed.';

'>>74075185
The coffee you're drinking will increase autophagy in the liver. Yeah, the glucose will offset some fasting mediated autophagy. Your body regularly engages in autophagy regardless of what you do (dying aside). Exercise will also induce autophagy.
>I won't be losing weight
Pick one subject cunt, you don't even know what you're talking about';

'>>74075185
Gross fat bitch';

'>>74075185
snu snu';

'im proud of my portugese and spanish ancestors for raping these women';

'>>74075701
Gross cum guzzling homosexual';

'>>74075185
you'll still be losing weight, you'll just kick out yourself out of ketosis and make your cravings slightly stronger, educate yourself on the subject next time before embarrasing yourself with brainlet threads';

'>>74075917
Said that man getting defensive over a fat brown bitch with a man face.';

'>>74075940
this';

'>>74075185
Autophagy and fat loss are different things and what you say is factually incorrect.';

'>>74075185
> Fat tribal';

'>>74075185
Built for big spic cock';

'>>74076032
>>74075940
Bro bumped his own comment sad homo small dick ricecel >>74076034
>>74076057
Faggots';

'OP is a fag and it is not a meme';

'Soon';

'>>74075252
>because you're listening to ketoschizos
Moxyte detected, opinion discarded.';

'You know, you wouldn't even have to use autophagy or other tricks if you didn't put that fat in your body on the first place. And you don't need to be hungry for that either. No matter how much broccoli you put in your stomach, your never going to get fat, you know what I mean? Its the butter you add to it that's the problem. Just don't be a moron and you can eat as much as you want while losing weight.';

'>>74075185
Autophagy is still not fully understood, but I can give you the jist of how we think it works now.

Basically autophagy is happening all the time, lets say this is 5% of what it would be a in perfectly fasted state withough any caloric intake at all (not even a single cal) after 48-72 hours.

Now lets say you are fasting, but get a few calories because you are sipping broth, or triggering insulin responses from drinking artificial sweetner, your autophagy will be like 20-25% the rate instead of your baseline 5%, but still a farcry from the full effect. It's still VERY GOOD even if you can't cut it with a true full fast, just not as good.

autophagy is coming into the spotlight as a possible way for the body to cannabalize cancer cells for nutrients, also stay the fuck away from sugar that isn't naturally in the product your are consuming. Also kick the caffineated jew if you can, its not doing anything for you after a while because you body is so fucking high tolerance for it, you are just drinking that slop to feel normal. People used to drink literal cocaine in coke, and after a while they barely noticed it and would probably have to take a line that would kill an elephant to feel anything. Same thing with caffine.';

'>>74075185
Autophagy always happens. Fat burning always happens. Insulin secretion is anabolic (juicers even use insulin to get bigger) which is the opposite of catabolic. To those who can't accept these facts, just stick to coloring books and CICO. It's designed in a way that you will lose tissues without needing to be optimal in which tissue is being sacrificed.';

'>>74078869
>imaginging some roidhead beating up some nerdy diabetic for his insulin pen. Injects it infront of him and throws the empty at his face then proceeds to do pushups and grunt loudly

Maybe one day AI will be good enough for this prompt to make a decent video and we can all laugh';

'>>74078266
i'm literally on carnivore which is keto beside the fact that if you have enough proteins in one meal you trigger a bump in insulin (not a spike) and get gluconeogenesis going which counters the ketolards autism in trying to stayin ketosys forthe sake of it, which is missing the point of keto to begin with and causes electrolite issues among other things.
i think the problem is mostly americans, i la ve americans but fuck they're so sheepeshly retarded it's not even funny, always latching on to one detail bc inflooencer x made a tiktok about it.
if you want to discuss insulin-autophagy mechanisms with me unlike faggot op you're more than welcomed to if this shit thread is still up tomorrow.
now i zuzu.';

'>>74075404
wow you spent 4 years sitting down? Where can I contact you for a high paying job???';

'>>74079239
8, nigger, not your amerijeet tier educashiun, also someone else already did';

'>>74078840
>but get a few calories because you are sipping broth
about how many calories is too many for this second option? I've got some chicken bone powder that's 120kcal for 30g of powder.';

'>>74079490
Doesn't matter at that point, since you are setting off the mechanisms that slow it down. Stay under 50 cals of broth a day and see how that feels, if it sucks bump it to 100.';

'>>74079531
To demonstrate why this doesn't matter, you are no longer fasting for full autophagy so who gives a fuck about calorie inake strictness.

50 cals a day for 1 month isn't even going to contribute a pound of fat on your body, no is 100. If drinking broth makes the expierence better, do it.

If you are on a 30 day fast, and you sip on 100 cals of broth a day, you are only going to "lose" not even 2 days of that 30 day fast in terms of weight loss.';

'This is considering the cap of 1/2 lb day of fatloss that regular 200+ pound male is going to have.';

'>>74078266
>ZOGZOGS BIZARRE GAS CHAMBER
holy fucking kek';

'>>74075185
Look at her brown ass and thighs there. She's clearly asking for it.';

'in a few years it'll turn out fasting is fucking terrible for you and it was all a huge meme
just like ice baths';

'>>74075185
post moar of her';

'>>74080039
No.';

'>>74080046
https://www.erome.com/a/ASNCynsE';

'>>74075404';

'>>74075208
No it isn’t. A calorie isn’t a calorie and there is no such thing as “calorie out”.';

'>>74075185
BUNDA';

'>>74078248
Soon.';

'>>74075185
Just a bit of quad separation on her thigh would be coom at first sight!';

'>>74080849
>Larping as a jungle bunny
>Groomed pubic hair
>No armpit hair
>To add insult to injury, one clothes photo with dark armpit stubble indicating she can grow dense pit hair.

Fucking dropped. Commit to the bit lady.';

'>>74081852
>To add insult to injury, one clothes photo with dark armpit stubble indicating she can grow dense pit hair.

This place has fucking ruined me, I poured through pics trying to find what the fuck you were talking about, you may be wrong. I spent 10,000 hrs in MS Paint and I've highlighted the affected area, it may just be a shadow/poor lighting. Body hair genetics for native people and Asians differs from Caucasians, there's often less armpit hair so you may be raging against nothing. I'll leave it to other anons to make the call: Is this armpit stubble or a shadow?';

'>>74082258
Best way to find out is give it a lick';

'>>74079317
Damn bro got high school education';

'>>74075208
It doesn't
Calories are a meme
It got implemented in the military so the government could get off by giving soldiers less rations than usual, it got popularized amongst citizens after the first world war, I'm sure you can guess the reason why.
What is a calorie ?
>a unit of energy, often used to express the nutritional value of foods, equivalent to the heat energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water by 1 °
Calories can never be applied to the human diet because you aren't a fucking boiler.
>but CICO worked for me ! Just eat less calories !
By lowering amount of calories you take you lowered amount of mass you take, CICO only "works" if you stick to the same diet and keep lowering down which just results in less mass intake.
CICO subreddit is a the most hilarious compilation of failures and surprised weight gains on the internet, go check it out. Even when presented with personal experience that their diet does not work, these retards still go thru mental gymnastics to rationalize their cult.
It's possible to lose weight on CICO if you increase the amount of calories but reduce the amount of mass gained, that is to switch to food that is high in calories but eat less of it than low caloric foods. This all works vice versa, because CICO is a laughable mental retardation.
Quick NPC check : Gram of uranium has 20 billion calories, how much WEIGHT would you gain from eating one GRAM of uranium ?';

'>>74075185
India Ayara';

'>>74082461
>Gram of uranium has 20 billion calories
new bulking diet';

'It's utter bs. Just avoid eating crap.';

'>>74075185
you are a fatty that doesnt lift, and couldnt go a single day without eating - let alone 3 lmao';

'>>74082461
Doesn't matter, still works.';

'>>74082461
Textbook example on how to grift retards.';

'>>74082597
>>74082609
He's right, you're wrong.

Source: Obesity crisis since we introduced CICO world wide after WW1. In fact, CICO was invented by the puritan freak Atwater in the first place because he was of the opinion that late 19th century people were too fat.

So, yes, CICO caused the obesity crisis. Until you can free yourself of it, you will never be happy.';

'>>74082258
Don't care. Would huff.';

'>>74082461
>because you aren't a fucking boiler
Yes you are, midwit. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.';

'>>74075185
Are you retarded?';

'>>74084894
Gram of uranium has 20 billion calories, how much WEIGHT would you gain from eating one GRAM of uranium ?';

'>>74085118
Lmao CICO trannies are so retarded they can't answer kilogram of feathers vs kilogram of steel type question';

'>>74085118
Hopefully a lot. I'm gonna try it for my next bulk.';

'>>74082461
Uranium has 0 calories in it. The term calories, when used with food, means bioavailable energy. And yes, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. There are hundreds of carbs, lipids, and proteins, each that affect your body a little differently. Rather than try to keep track of when you'd gain more weight eating 50g of fructose versus 20g of cholesterol, it's easier to just convert everything down to its caloric value and use it as a rough estimate.';

'>>74086283
>The term calories, when used with food, means bioavailable energy.
Lmao.
No.
The definition is already posted here >>74082461

>Uranium has 0 calories in it.
Lol, nope';

'>>74086299
What carbs, fats or proteins are in uranium? It's a rock. You could eat it, then you'd poop it out and get nothing from it. It's zero calories of food.';

'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_energy
This is a better way of explaining a food calorie. Uranium has no food energy in it, so even though it has calories for the purpose of boiling water, it has zero food energy.';

'>>74086307
do you think your uranium poop would be a glowing green color?';

'>>74086500
Uranium is the color of metal, so it'd look like metal.';

'>>74082461
Just remember guys, this jackass is the kind of person giving out advice on /fit. Be careful what you believe.';

'>>74086307
My man you literally don't fucking know what the definition of the word calorie is stop talking lmfao';

'>>74086659
7th post in a row seething about based poster but noone has refuted him
>no you are ... le meanie
This is the peak of CICO tranny argumentation';

'>>74075217
Self sucking is the first step to self sufficiency and financial independence anon';

'>>74075185
Tfw no thicc pacg cannibal gf';

'>>74086283
>convert everything down to its caloric value
Protein unless you overeat is not converted to glucose in order to be oxidized for atp. So why do CICO tards include protein's supposed calories in their total daily allowance?';

'>>74086283
Okay, I'll bite. Let me just google it for you.

Seems you're both right simultaneously.
The definition of a calorie has come to mean a unit of heat in relation to oxidation (rather, using the food)
That means that you should be able to measure how much fat burning you have going by the heat you're emitting. Unfortunately, that doesn't explain things very well, since heat energy and mass aren't equivalent and calories don't have mass.';

'>>74088089
Which would make it impossible to determine how much heat energy you're emitting versus absorbing in regards to exact mass loss. Mass measuring is superior in all ways.';

'>>74088089
the 'caloric' value of food is determined by 1b, which is not equivalent to the energy available to the human metabolic system. Furthermore, the caloric value of food on labels is allowed to be out by 20% either way.';

'>>74078266';

'>>74076672

>Nigga bumped his own comment sad homo small dick ricecel

Fixed that for you faggot';

'>>74081578
retard';

'>>74075185
Imagine being a Portuguese explorer landing on the coast of an unknown continent, after spending months on a ship, and seeing this';

'>>74082661
Okay, so give me something that works then, faggot.';

'>>74089291
Lift';

'>>74089291
Want to get bigger ?
Eat more lift more
Want to get slimmer ?
Eat less lift more
Counting calories is a mental illness';

'>>74088107
>there is inherent uncertainty built into all of the arbitrary metrics we use to measure reality
>so let's not even try to measure it
Retard moment';

'>>74090543
>inherent uncertainty built into all of the arbitrary metrics
Nope. Only when it comes to calories. Keep coping
Any other metric being this off would be discarded as trash but calories get a pass, take a wild guess why';

'>>74090528
>Eat more lift more
>Eat less lift more
OK but how do I measure my food? Should I be weighing it? I've noticed that I can buy 5lbs of potatoes and vegetable oil for dirt cheap compared to 5lbs of meat.';

'>>74090549
Look yourself in the mirror and weight yourself
Want to lose weight ?
Eat less lift more
Doesn't work ?
Eat lesser lift morer
This is the same principle CICO trannies use but without all the autistic retardation';

'>>74090548
>Any other metric being this off would be discarded as trash but calories get a pass, take a wild guess why
Look up the acceptable error margins used in all virtually of statistics. Statistics with large error margins nevertheless produce useful, testable predictions.
If you use mass of macronutrients as your metric, you're simply choosing a different unit for your uncertainty. The error margin permitted for foods is mostly due to expected and normal variations in the exact mass and composition of the finished product.';

'>>74090558
>Eat lesser lift morer
Okay, but how do you define more or less food? You've got to measure it somehow, no? Otherwise you can't know if it's more or less.';

'>>74090559
Lol nope
One gram is one gram everywhere in the world
>If you use mass of macronutrients as your metric, you're simply choosing a different unit for your uncertainty.
One gram is one gram, sorry but there isn't any uncertainty here. Maybe you should start using a metric that isn't arbitrary bullshit which applies to water boilers, not human bodies';

'>>74090562
Are you retarded ?';

'>>74090573
>One gram is one gram everywhere in the world
Sure, but the same food packages that are permitted a margin of error for calorie value are permitted a similar margin of error for the mass of their contents.';

'>>74090661
>permitted a similar margin of error for the mass of their contents.
Lol, factually wrong.
If you buy 100g of anything and the product has 20% less, you can literally sue.';

'>>74090773
Yes, and?
In one study of packaged foods in the UK, over 80% of items tested had a margin of error below 20%.';

'>>74090773
Consider a packaged pasta meal of 300g.
The meal contains meat, cheese, pasta and fats. Even when every package contains exactly 300g of food, there will be minor variations in the distribution of each ingredient. Some will have a touch more cheese, some will have a little more meat, some will have a little more sauce.
No matter if you're counting grams of macros or counting calories, there will be a margin of error either way.';