'i got fit but im still ugly.';

'Nah, I'm bald.';

'>>74109686
>Outwardly
Much nicer
>Otherwise
The same.';

'>>74109686
what was your work uniform?';

'Genuinely curious what you look like';

'>>74109717
Literally just a green hi Vis that had the name of the warehouse on back. I was too tired to take it off as I just wanted to get a chicken wrap some calories, sit down for a minute and then go home';

'how tf did you grow up so much in 6 years
how old are you?';

'>>74109751
interesting
I've never been too tired to take off my high vis after work, even as an ironworker doing 10 hour days
are you sure you didn't want to advertise the fact that you're employed? genuinely curious';

'>>74109686
Similar
>5’9” 300lbs
>invisible during entire childhood to girls
>except 7th grade when had growth spurt and was skinny had 1 girl flirting with me, wanted nothing to do with me year later when fat again
>like this entire childhood
Fast forward 1 year
>senior year get it together lose all the fat quit the kike pills I was put on at 14
>end up being 6’2” 175 by time college starts, cut down to 150
>have girls staring HARD everywhere I go on campus
>never had this experience don’t know what the fuck to do or why it’s happening, genuinely cycle all possibilities except maybe I look good before realizing I became attractive
>think the girls who hit on me or follow me around class and try to talk to me and shit are just being kind to the autistic guy for attention
It was night and day. I got fat again in my mid 20s and I once again am on the other side. I’m cutting hard as fuck right now, I hope I can make it again and keep it once I’m there. 1.5 years I’ll be 30. If I can achieve
>195 lean
>job, have own apartment
I think I’ll be in a position to actually meet and date women again. Apparently I was so attractive (I don’t see it I think when lean I’m average faced but my experiences say otherwise) I was able to fuck and date a 8/10 I met back when I was in shape while I was now fat. Height is only like a great body on an ugly chick, helps but isn’t gonna move mountains. I don’t get it. If I posted my face youd all say I looked like a knock off Toby McGuire with brown eyes. Combine that with no fashion sense just wearing pajamas and slides and gym clothes everywhere and you realize what I mean when I say I can’t believe it.';

'>>74109840
>>think the girls who hit on me or follow me around class and try to talk to me and shit are just being kind to the autistic guy for attention
>It was night and day.

OP here. I completely relate. After only about a year and a half into lifting. Still skinny DYEL by /fit/ standards, but no longer skinny fat. When I left school and went to college and girls started actually invited me to parties, I would have flashbacks to that one girl that stood me up just for her friends to make fun of me the next day. I genuinely didn't know how to react and thought that these girls must be trying to mess with me too.

After college I sort of had a "red pill rage" i guess you could say. As cringey as that term is. But just coming to the realisation that you get treated way different by women
>And people in general
Just because of the way you look';

'>>74109914
Yeah bro I get it. I had a lot of that. I’m still dealing with it. Getting way better than I was 18-23 but I have a small ways to go still
>nervous with women, even talking to them because some jealous nigger started laughing at me to try and embarrass me for talking to cute black chick who hated other blacks and rejected him back in highschool
Or
>nervous to ask girls out because the one time I did in middle school she said yes as a joke because a fake friend of mine told her it would be funny
I just let women make fools of themself to get me. I won’t take chances on wasting my time because even as an adult these bitches do similar bullshit like flaking or ghosting. They have to make it very obvious to me, they have to have nearly bent over backwards to get a smidget of my attention. 80% of the lays I’ve had (8) went down this way. 2 girls I made the moves on first and initiated everything. 1 chick tried that flaking shit and so I ignored her for years before offering her a chance to get fucked by me. It’s unhealthy but I’m not wasting my time. If a woman is genuinely interested she’ll make it known. The end.
I had my red pill rage too but I’ve gotten over it. The emotions of bitterness and amazement and happiness and depression and feeling that everyone (not even just women) are pieces of shit kept cycling like crazy for half a year when I realized it. It is what it is, gotta improve and the world treats you better. Difference between hard mode vs easy mode.';

'I need to be human bros.';

'you sound autistic bro.';

'>>74109686
>Had one girl who I barley spoke to come up to me and say "I got you these" and handed me a bunch of chocolates. Right in front of all the other coworkers

something that will never happen to me no matter how fit I get because I will always be a manlet.
It hurts bros.';

'>>74109686
>Was a 250lbs 6'1" hamplanet in high school
>finally decided to get fit when I was 20
>didn't do any lifting, just put down the fork and started moving a lot more
>lost about 70lbs
>didn't really notice any more attention from women
>realized I was actually attractive when gay guys starting hitting on my all the time
>had a gay waiter bring me a free desert because he thought I looked "sweeet" (my dad about fell out of his chair laughing)

Oddly enough the gay guys hitting on me gave me enough confidence to approach women and get dates.';

'>>74110111
Based gay men';

'>>74109686
Was a night and day difference.
I was out of shape for the later half of highschool and the first year of college. I'd get women, but the best I could muster up was women with mental issues or fat chicks.
Decided things needed to change and I did a 1 year gym transformation. Got absolutely shredded over the 4 month summer break, and the amount of attention I was getting when 2nd year started was absurd. Dudes were saying I looked like an olympic athlete or greek statue. Girls I was in classes with in the previous semester were gushing over me and chatting me up. Some of them even had boyfriends while dropping hints that they were available. Was getting virtually any girl I wanted, easily getting 8/10s.
Long story short: take the lean pill.';

'>5'5", 180 lbs and fat
>2 years later
>5'5", 160 lbs with 12% bodyfat

No change. Shocker lmao';

'Any of you bros got a fucked up face and got mires after getting fit or all you just former fatties with good bone structure
t. fucked up face';

'>>74109686
>>74109840
>manlet cope mode engage
What ages before/after
>manlet cope mode disengage';

'>>74110021
5'7 here, before we got together my previous girlfriend kept bringing me lunch she'd cooked at home. stop using your height/face/frame as an excuse, learn to like the person that you are and just have more fun with your life and women will gravitate towards that.';

'I used to get dates before I lifted and I'm 5'6". After lifting I started going bald and shaved my head and now I'm a literal incel lmfao

What a life man.';

'People im general are nicer, except for pudgy incel types who resent you for holding a mirror to their own failures.
Women give me more attention, which is nice because it makes my gf do more to keep me hers.
A lot of it is face, sociability, and height though. When I've been fat, I still had compliments from women and no one was dismissive or mean.
But Im 6'1" and have a handsome face.';

'>>74110343
your girlfriend vs a random coworker';

'>>74109686
Cool LARP kid. But do you really believe people on this board lift for women?';

'>>74109840
> Combine that with no fashion sense just wearing pajamas and slides
Bro this is nigger clothes don’t be like a nigger. They’re lazy and the ones that do get girls are tall and athletic not a section 8 bum with no ambition. I’m not white but man you guys got psyopped hard with the nigger worship. Seriously don’t be a nig rise up and be the proper white man you’re supposed to be. Why do you think you’re fat again the clothes got you lazy. You can’t tell you’re getting fat with sweats. Change your mindset, get consistent haircuts, get whitening strips and put care into your appearance.';

'>>74110303
fatties with good bone structure are descendants of Hunter-gatherers so they see food and eat subconsciously not knowing it’s plentiful and get fat. Though there is a tiny benefit eating all the time does give you a stronger jaw';

'>>74109686
I'm treated nicely enough by women, but there are some that seem to just basically ignore me. However I'm never around girls my age (21), the closest ones I know are the seniors (I work at a high school, so no go) and the school psychologist. Guys, kids, and old people are chill. Queers, trannies, and those varieties in general are attracted to me, make of that what you will.';

'Before, I disgusted them.

Now, I frighten them.';

'>>74110303
>>74110780
I’m >>74109840 pretty sure I got a fucked up face. Seems too asymmetrical to me. Lots of teeth grinding starting from the age of like 4 (felt good, probably stimming) until I was 19. Changed to teeth clenching because I wanted stronger and bigger jaw muscles now I look more lopsided in my late 20s. Won’t know fuck sure until I’m done cutting and get lean again. I’m glad I’m over 6’ at least, if I’m correct about my Face ID be fucked if I was short. Shit personality, autistic, immature, anxious, angry. Only saving grace is the height.';

'>>74110752
I didn’t read past “psyopped”. I am white but nigga it ain’t that deep. I legit don’t give a shit. I only care about my comfort. If a bitch done like it the fuck do I care for? I don’t, I’m comfy.
>why do you think your fat it’s the clothes get haircuts hygiene blah blah blah
Glanced and saw this. At no point did I say I didn’t take care of basic self hygiene things and I got fat because I stopped caring after realizing pussy didn’t make me as happy as I hoped not because of my clothing you absolute mong. I guess the good intent is appreciated but entirely wrong lmao. I’ll be 190-200lbs and have gotten my lost gains back by around march next year, I’ll be back to dressing like a bum and getting laid anyways.';

'>>74110780
Everyone is a descendent of hunter gatherers, you're just coping';

'>>74109686
I was a fat kid.

Got fit and laid easily.

Started balding

Now women are rude and cunty again.

My personality was always the same. The world really is that shallow and only your genetic potential matters. Everything else will follow.';

'>>74110794
>Queers, trannies, and those varieties in general are attracted to me
same here, it's a bit strange, I should have just went for the troon in high school but I didn't and now I'm still a virgin at 26';

'>>74109686
Getting fit helps a little bit with women that don't know you, they definitely pay more attention but you still need to not be autistic. It helps you get noticed but you can still fumble

The biggest difference is with women that already know you. I had my very hot married 34yo manager at work tell me "you're very fit", another cute coworker would tell me how she "needs my muscles". I made a lot of gains during COVID when I had nothing to do but lift and when I went to a party for the first time in over a year in 2021, a bunch of my female friends went out of their way to lay their hands on me, feel my shoulders, etc. Girls that already trust you don't hide how impressed they are';

'>>74110855
Shit like this makes me lose any qualms (probably ego) about doing morally questionable things to get ahead in life. Like if it’s like this, may as well cheat the system where you can. Women do it every day with makeup. I don’t think lifts or LL surgery are worth it. Hair transplant, TRT, etc. but also other stuff like scamming someone who treated me differently or flat out stealing from them.';

'They treat me like I'm human now instead of invisible. Sometimes I wish for invisibility but majority of the time it feels nice having 2/3 women who encounter me on the street look at me like they want to see me naked.

Except for fatties I wish they didn't exist.';

'>>74110901
>>74109686

Always tall and good looking but skinny (140 at 6'0). Kinda austistic, played vidya, piano nerd, my game was non existent, and I got laid a lot only bc of blue eyes, italian name and genetics.

Began calisthenics and lifting this year, using more trendy clothing, now women get nervous around me. At work the HR girl (36? Married, two kids) went way too far: latin country, here we salute women with a kiss on the cheek, but nothing sexual, regardless you know them or not, and is completely normal. One morning she kissed me right where my mouth ends, I went insane.

I also developed a strong steady stare when directly talking to someone.

Chatting with multiple women, whole new level of excitement in life. So many fucking roasties out there, so much ridiculous bullshit these women have been convinced of.

>>74110855

Also balding now, and younger zoomer women are either allergic to bad hairlines or have been raised to be total cunts. I seem to do better with a beanie.';

'>>74110928
I'll fuck a fatty every once in a while, then talk them about getting fit for real. "You can be loved being fat, imagine how much easier it gets being slim."';

'>>74111024

Nah bro balding is auto 2/10 were fucked. Lamenting a hair transplant as we speak, hair is why my 5'9 ass even got laid combined with peak physique in my college years.';

'>>74111033

It's not worth the squeeze. The off chance they actually lose weight they'll immediately cheat to see what else they can get. They figure if they got you fat they can get better skinny.';

'>>74109686
I don't go outside much, but the nurses like how easy it is to find a good vein.';

'>>74109975
Where do you think we are bro?';

'>>74110111
>>74110196
Happened to me too, literally did not get why people started treating me different until gay men started buying me drinks, giving me free coffee, food, etc.';

'>>74109686
Why did he become a mouth breather?';

'>>74110295
Literally me except I'm 5'7 at 180 and refuse to cut';

'>>74109701
/thread';

'>>74109956
>>74109914
>>74109840
I don't get the 'red pill rage' thing. People don't like fatties, understandably, and don't want to date fatties, understandably.';

'>>74111024
>>74111101
Started balding after I started working out and I ended up as an incel lol. 5'8" btw. i think I got more pussy when I was skinnyfat but with hair';

'>>74111324
Same here, time to get 20k together for transplant. Fucking hate this gay world';

'>>74111339
i'm a diffuse thinner so I can't. i even looked into 10k transplants in turkey, no dice. i'll look like shit.
i'm going monk mode for now and hit 2.5pl8 recently, but I'm also a virgin at 32. can't grow facial hair either so I can't dwarf mode.
i might try the hair system route if I ever get desperate.';

'>>74111355
2.5pl8 bench*';

'>>74109701
Heh';

'>>74109840
Similar to me except when I was apparently 7/10 I didn't really know and likely had some serious body dysmorphia when I was at my fittest. I was 180lb at 12% body fat, but 5'11.
But I gave up at about 22 and let myself gain 20kg and stopped going to the gym, decreasing to a 4-5/10, partly due to alcoholism. Only returning properly last year, where I'm now 28.
I'm on a 2 year recomp, where I'm 1 year in. Currently 215lb at 18%.
I started getting the confidence last year and have been on 20 dates within a year, some reoccurring. I have no interest in long term I have realised, as I have a lot of shit I want to do as a single man, such as travelling, and yes I know I'm running out of time.
I would say I'm a 6/10 at the moment. Getting 12% I might be able to get back to being a solid 7.';

'>>74109686
>Had one girl who I barley spoke to come up to me and say "I got you these" and handed me a bunch of chocolates. Right in front of all the other coworkers
Hey thanks wanna share these later?
It's literally that easy';

'>>74110855
>>74110349
>>74111101
Don't get me wrong, anons - balding sucks. But it is what it is, just accept it and work it. I've been rocking a statham hairline for over 10 years and the numbers and quality of women I got kept going up. (Settled down a few years ago in my mid-40s to start a family, so I can't say when it would have leveled off, but I still get lots of attention from women.) Don't shave your head completely bald. Leave some fuzz. You don't have to be lean (clearly muscular is much better), but keep your bodyfat low. And for fuck sake, smile. Get in the habit of smiling as an automatic reaction when you lock eyes with a woman. Practice in the mirror. Some guys look better with a small smile, some with a big grin. Choose the one that makes you look friendly, not tough or cool.';

'>>74111565
The only thing I noticed with balding was that specifically young girls wouldn't openly show interest. But I still get smiles from women now that I leaned up.
>Although dirty bulking I got no attention at all, but I guess that's cus my face and body just looked like a potato. Never again will I dirty bulk';

'>>74109686
And then you woke up';

'>>74109770
he 100% wanted a little validation and its OK.

Im such a piece of shit I work in medical sales so My work uniform is scrubs for meeting with clients in nursing homes and I milk that shit like crazy, its hilarious.';

'>>74109686
Went from a 0 to a 2.
>OMG /FIT/ WERE ALL GONNA HECKIN MA- ACK';

'>>74109686
life isnt some anime movie
no difference';

'>>74110846
disgusting trash monkey
I wear a sport coat every day
>t cpa';

'>>74110672
I miss Billy.
He may have been a faggot, but he was OUR faggot.';

'>>74109840
So you're telling me you're 29 and only slept with one girl? Womp womp. Rooting for you anon. WAGMI';

'>>74109686
Don't forget bros, you may be getting mired after fit and not necessarily realize. I've always done just fine, or outright excellently with women, but still I'm completely autistic in regards to knowing if a girl is flirting with me. It takes my gf, mom, or a close female friend to be like: "That girl was smiling at you hard." "I can't believe she'd hit on you in front of me like that." Or whatever the hell else. Women are often aren't forward unless they're trashy or just absolutely enamored with you in every way. Once had a lesbian girl say I reminded her of the vampire anti-hero of her favorite smut book series, and she wouldn't stop staring at me. Probably one of my stranger mires.';

'>girls i chat to online are happy to meetup on the same day
>lots of arm squeezing on the first date
>sex
>more arm squeezing
>get told i have nice arms, chest, and ass while cuddling in bed
>lots of rubbing
however been told i'm fun, easy to get comfy around, and good-looking so getting /fit/ isn't gonna be everything. i guess it makes them more attracted to you, yeah';

'>>74109686
I get hit on more if anything. I reject them of course since women are evil';

'getting approached by dolled up sluts who expect you to do all the work just because they walked up and said hi made me appreciate my autistic chubby accountant gf and hate the idea of “dating” so much more. go suck a “chad” dick and leave me alone. im drinkin with the boys.';

'>>74109686
Being lean will absolutely get you more girls. Always.
Don't fall for the powershitter lies. Being fat will ALWAYS be unattractive to women, regardless of how strong you are. Having a defined and lean face will bump you up at least 2 points.
Don't try and backwards logicize it either claiming you like "thickies" or are a "chubby chaser", so therefore you shoulf be allowed to be overweight yourself. Dollars to donuts (pun intended), those girls want a lean dude as much as the fit stacys do. Women do not have fetishes like men do, they will like the kinds of men they see every other girl likes. Which is lean/fit men. Social proofing is their measuring stick. It's the same reason women are far more attracted to men in committed relationships.
So even if you're some retarded le architect redditor, you are going to get much more success by being lean.
Put the fork down and take a jog.';

'>>74109686
Still invisible but they don't actively ignore or avoid me anymore';

'>>74114348
Based leanpill advocate
Skip the dinner, wake up thinner';

'I've been fit and fat intermittently several times through my life, so I've seen the full pendulum shift into being desired, then right back into ignored, back to desired, and so on. It is a massive mindfuck for sure.

When you are fat (and I am sure being short doesn't help), you are virtually invisible to women. I find it strange that feminist/fat positive people seem to imply there's a sort of cultural double standard here between men and women, but I'd say women are way more brutally disinterested in even modestly chubby men versus men in chubbier women.

Over the past two years I've gotten into the best shape of my life and really honed in on my hair and style and it is like living an entirely different life. I've had women unsolicitedly approach me in stores, restaurants, on the street, just to pay me a random compliment or ask me if I was single. My girlfriend's friends have started insisting she involve me more and more when they hang out or ask how or where I am (to my girlfriend's seethe kek). Women buy me drinks at bars, coworkers aggressively hit on me, and older female leadership at my company basically treat me like a puppy who can do no wrong.

What is more strange and unexpected than even the female attention is I probably get double that from men. Men, even straight ones, will just actively compliment me or try to flirt with me on a constant basis.


>>74110021
lmfao stfu. I am a 5'6" manlet and often get unsolicited stuff from women at my workplace. One girl brought me in this exotic snack I once mentioned that I like, another bought me a coffee and pastry a few weeks ago. Stop using height as an excuse.';

'What country you live in would be great context for these little stories, none of you sound American.';

'>>74114842
I'd assume around half are, and another half of that live in/near major American cities. Trust you would not be getting mired by *sober* women due to the ridiculous amount of roided influencers/models they see on their phone daily, doubly so if they work out themselves. The cities are fucked';

'>>74114775
>Stop using height as an excuse.
Don't bother. If it isn't height then it's face, or frame, or wrists, or pp, or some other uncontrollable factor that will dismiss their complete lack of drive and desire to achieve.
>buh buh I tried
they will inevitably cry, which disproves nothing.';

'Probably older than you lot and balding. 5'10, was tubby, now 165lbs.
Women have generally been reasonably friendly but there has been a definite uptick in interest, eye contact and general flirting since I have got back in shape. A particular, younger lady that liked me when I was lardy is even more friendly now, but she is a bit of an anomaly.';

'>>74113710
Why did you assume it was just 1? Because I only specified one? >>74109956 I mention here that it’s 8. But I’ve missed out on countless opportunities. It sucks having this shit have been foreign and now I’m a grown man who gets nervous about it and blushes because it’s all foreign to me still, because I went into adulthood with it being this unheard of thing for me. I still get hit on despite being fat again, so imagine what it’s like when I’m lean. I don’t understand it either I swear I don’t look good facially. Idk that I look bad but not good. Average at best if I’m being kind to myself.
>>74111205
It’s more like frustration for how I experienced it. This was a thought I had word for word that’s stuck with me since I had it
>I’m mostly the same person I was a year ago, yet everyone treats me way better.
Of course there was confusion. Am I just now being treated like a human, or am I now being treated better than most people?
And of course I wasn’t the same person, I was no longer a weak willed fatty anyways. I think the frustrating part for me, I knew a handful of fats who were treated like normal people. Why should they be treated like a human being while they’re fat if I had to bust my ass to get healthy just to be treated these ways? It made me resent and abhor fats. Like, unable to be within 30 feet of a fatty, I’d go out of my way and sometime still do today to steer clear of them so the fat air doesn’t get on me. Im actually glad I feel so shitty about being fat, I know I’ll be lean again soon. I sort of understood bakc then and still do, but seeing other people be fat and treated with respect is annoying to witness.
Not worth questioning, I know how to get what I want. Do the work. I’ll get there. Halo effect incoming again.';

'>>74115190
they're forever losers, always relying on their crutch as a cop out for why life sucks';

'>>74109914
>red pill rage
there is nothing "cringey" about this. Its a natural thing for the government and the elites to lie to the population to keep it docile. Its up to you to discover the light, you owe it to yourself';

'>>74111565
>And for fuck sake, smile. Get in the habit of smiling as an automatic reaction when you lock eyes with a woman.
God fucking damn it I wish I'd heard this advice 5-10 years ago, everyone I meet thinks I'm an asshole at first because of my east european facial expressions';

'The weirdest fucking one. Female cousins.
>Last family reunion I was at
>cousin who I hadn't seen since probably 2021 was giving family hugs
>They were quick hugs
>When she saw me her eyes widend
>She just stared for what felt like 5 seconds and said "wow anon... You look... Good" and ran in for a hug
>I hugged her back as I was happy to see her too.
>She didn't move away and then proceeded to move her hands from my waist and up to my lats
>I immediately felt awkward and released my hug
>She then slowly pulled back
>Keeping her hands on me as she did
>Moving her hands from my lats to across my pec

We spoke for a bit and had the usual chit chat. But never in my life had she ever hugged me in that way before, and I couldn't shake the weird feeling for the rest of the reunion';

'>>74109840
>>think the girls who hit on me or follow me around class and try to talk to me and shit are just being kind to the autistic guy for attention
i cant get past this stage maybe because i am still autistic despite being not ugly anymore';

'>>74117458
Women are degenerate perverts
Protect your honour king';

'>>74110672
Aniki....wake up...';

'>>74115174
i'm natty and get mired by high value chicks. put down the fork fatass';

'>>74110021
I'm 6'1 and can confirm this happens pretty much everyday I go outside, some chicks just begging for my dick and giving me presents, but hey bro atleast you still get valentines presents every year though like the rest of us that's something am I right';

'>>74114775
>I'd say women are way more brutally disinterested in even modestly chubby men versus men in chubbier women.

it's not even a contest, there's so many videos online of obese women that have had high body counts, saw some 400lb chick in a literal scooter with 300+, the male equivalent would die alone';

'>>74109686
I had a really fat woman call me good looking on tinder once';

'When I was younger girls would linger around me in clubs and at parties and it was obvious they were into me

Then I gained 40 lbs and girls never showed any interest in me

Then I lost 40 lbs and its sort of back but not as much as it was when I was 18

wasted my looks desu';

'>>74117579
I had to begin lifting and make progress to increase my self esteem and confidence man. It took me a while to accept I was being stared at and hit on and all that because maybe I was attractive now. Also I challenged myself to stop looking away immediately when I’d make eye contact with a chick staring from across the room. It helped with my confidence to make them look away first as sad as it may sound, but it helped I guess made me feel better than them.';

'>>74109686
Much better. I went from being cheated on by my wife and divorced, to being the guy women cheat with. FYI, they always lie to the other guy about it too.';

'>>74109686
>Before
Indian
>After
Still Indian';

'>>74109686
Yea
2 girls taken my picture
3 girls physically touched me
2 were emotionally devistated when I shot them down
1 just gasped at me and kept looking at me
1 milf at job told me about her sexual life in passing (okay?) and another my age told me if there was apocalypse like 2020 we would need to repopulate (she got real quiet when I asked her what she is doing for next 30 minutes)

It does work better if you are a diagnosed autistic with paranoid schizo and ASPD (pic related and actual psychiatrist) since you not giving a fuck gives off mad charisma
If I am unhygienic women fear I will rape them tho so theres that';

'>>74117458
Have you never wanted to fuck a cousin? Obviously you don't do it because it's like... wrong, but since you generally don't live together, there's little biologically stopping you from feeling attraction.';

'>>74109686
definitely way better.
The main thing is confidence. When I was skinnyfat/chubby as a kid I used to be insecure as fuck and everyone can smell that from a mile away.

Yes having a nice physique will make people treat you better but the main thing is your face being more attractive + confidence, which are both the side effects of training.';

'>>74109686
getting fit makes EVERYONE treat you better.
old, young, Lolis, gay dudea.
I mean everyone!
that's how you gauge attractiveness.
people treat even semi attractive Men better.';

'>>74117835
>When I was younger girls would linger around me in clubs and at parties and it was obvious they were into me
>Then I gained 40 lbs and girls never showed any interest in me
>Then I lost 40 lbs and its sort of back but not as much as it was when I was 18
>wasted my looks desu
This is a tough step for most men, but at a certain age you need to let go of going to clubs that teens/young 20s frequent. Guys will reply that they pull this off and still pull barely legal club girls until their 30s, 40s, whatever. Good genes, dim lighting, alcohol, and lowering of standards will also help. But eventually it gets sad and your failures outnumber your successes.
Instead, switch to venues with older women in their 30s. You can be all the way up to a silver fox and your age is no barrier to pulling women in their 30s. By that age, most of the late-onset mental disorders in women have already shown themselves, so you're less likely to get a girl that's a headache.';

'No change but that's because my interactions with women haven't changed at all. Besides, most people in my country is tall and fit so it's not like I stand out';

'Sadly I was handsome in highschool so it's been downhill ever since. Though I can still get girls, it's just not the same.';

'>>74109686
I can't stand hypergamous whores who only ever remember how to treat men like human beings after they fulfill her insane overblown roastie standards in the first place.

Just remember without fitmaxxing you still would have been invisible to all these cunts, they are opportunists and backstabbing snakes, treat them accordingly (which is to say ignore them just like they would ignore you in your non-fitmaxxed state)';

'>>74119632
>By that age, most of the late-onset mental disorders in women have already shown themselves, so you're less likely to get a girl that's a headache.

What the fuck are you talking about lmao

Old post-wall 30+ roasties are insane precisely because they've been thrown around on Chad's carousel for the entire duration of heir 20's and they then lost access to Chad's harem, they are WAY more of a headache to deal with than fresh pre-wall young zoomer bitches. The latter also aren't nearly as entitled as millenial post-wall roastie whores

Claiming anything else is pure cope and verifably untrue';

'>>74120962
nah I totally get what that guy is talking about. Women between 18-25 change A LOT. I dated a girl who basically became a different person.';

'>>74109704
Kek';

'>>74109840
Post face.';

'>>74109686
I have always been fit. Fitness has never been a factor in my interactions with women, only confidence.';

'>>74109686
I will never be handsome no matter if I'm 90 kg 8% bodyfat because I'm a jawlet';

'>>74121388
I have once or twice in CBT and I was shredded by the lookism incels. They said weak jaw weak chin negative canthal tilt. I don’t see the eye thing at all, I know my chin isn’t the best, my jaw I think just depends on body fat but again I know I am not Chad. Shit bro I wear glasses because one of my eyes is fucked and without the glasses I have a lazy eye for example. It’s glasses (doesn’t look good) or be lazy eye’d until I can find the time and money to have the lazy eye fixed if it’s even an option.';