'>>27630328
because they are actively being lobbied against by the big american car makers.

>NOOO ITS CHINESE
>NOOO ITS NOT DURABLE LIKE OUR CARS
>NOOO YOU CANT LET THEM IN THEYRE SPYING
>NOOO THEYRE COMMUNIST CARS

yet all our cars are still 99% made in china with a "designed in america" tag on them. so fucking sick of all modern car makers and the idiots that keep eating their shit up';

'>>27630337
my challenger says hecho en mexico y canadia';

'>>27630337
>because they are actively being lobbied against by the big american car makers.
This, America is scared of market penetration. If they lose their home market their automotive industry will collapse.';

'I don't want a car with a dedicated liveleak button.';

'>>27630337
>99% made in China
Name one model popular in North America that is made in China other than Tesla . All our cars are made by spics , nips or niggers living around the great lakes .';

'>>27630337
>yet all our cars are still 99% made in china
Now this is a lie. Cars made in NA are either made in 'the south', mexico, or in unionized plants in the midwest. My Japanese car was made in Mexico and I doubt anything designed by the Chinese and built anywhere in the world will be of better quality.

>NOOO ITS NOT DURABLE LIKE OUR CARS
But you've already answered it: by and large Chinese cars are less reliable than American or Italian cars. Nobody with means is going to want one when much better options exist, and those who would buy them are the poor credit crowd people who've never owned a car before.';

'I want to buy a chinese car to impress my chinese boss, will it work? I want to show i support the CCP against ZOGmerica.';

'>>27630337
>99% made in china
didn't know Tesla had 99% market share here';

'>>27630403
See: chicken tax
See: japscrap
See: them korean cars are bad!
See: would you drive a foreign truck?

It really is fucking annoying seeing the government trying to protect very large companies that refuse to make a better product and are shielded against competitors. Also a little ironic they'll boast about multiculturalism, globalism, and all that shit as a good thing, then deny other companies entering the US market with no other reason than "uhh, they're not made in north america so fuck you".';

'>>27630328
Because American politicians have stock in Tesla.';

'>>27630742
Just buy a Lexus/Toyota like every Chinese person when they live in the west. Youre not really Asian if it's not a Lexus RX or a Toyota Sienna';

'>>27630328
>Why won't they allow BYD into America?
Look at this video as to why. It covers many other features inside the vehicle including removal of the bumper covers. You can see how thick the crash rail is behind the bumper cover. The announcer even points out how thin the crash rail is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSrRJM-AZn8

BYD cars';

'>>27630328
Cause fuck China. That's a good thing btw';

'>>27631339
>Tank 300
Fucking great name for an suv.
As for the whole chink cars problem. China has a problem with cheapening out. If you've ever worked in china you've experienced problems like getting steel of the quality that it's claimed to be. This design was probably fine with good quality steel but the pot metal that is getting delivered can't hold up.';

'>>27630500
Buick Envista';

'>>27630337
The sad reality is that American manufactuerers are kneecapping themselves on a global scale. They're so hell bent on selling trucks to Americans that they're willind to scede the entire developing market to BYD and their inexpensive EVs and become regional manufacturers for the US and Canada instead. It's a baffling business decision

Meanwhile cheap cars like the BYD Seagull have Detroit scared shitless because not only is it cheap, it's also made pretty damn well for the price. They could slap a 100% tarriff on it and it would still undercut the entire American auto industry. Keep in mind that BYD makes all of their own parts and they learned how to make cars from Toyota. They're been making batteries for longer than Tesla has been a company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izvdO-zdlKg';

'>>27632506
>popular';

'>>27632518
Literally just came out and is alread Buick's fast growing model. You're going to see them everywhere in a few years';

'these cars are complete pieces of shit. seriously, they are not a good bet. $12k is still a lot of money.

if that's your budget you should just buy something used. I can't speak for the new and used car market in countries other than america, but realistically BYD aren't actually competitive. china once again uses the absolute worst materials and slave labor to crank out pieces of shit for cheap, and these STILL have higher margin than all but the most egregious paypig models from US & european brands.

US automakers need a wake-up call. that much is fucking obvious. but letting these cars onto our shores will ultimately just make things worse.';

'>>27632518
Buick is for some reason incredibly popular in china. its a dead brand in the US.';

'>>27632540
Chinese garbage in general is a bad bet.

your order of operations for every purchase should be
>do I really need this?
sleep on that question if need be
>OK yes I do
buy it well made in a western factory. do your research. put hands on the product before handing over money, or if you absolutely must buy online already have a familiarity and confidence that the firm you're buying from is good.
>i cant afford that, too expensive
then buy used. which is still cheaper than chinkshit and will last you a lot longer.';

'>>27630500
I think Mazda and Toyota have a plant in Alabama';

'>>27632571
>then buy used. which is still cheaper than chinkshit and will last you a lot longer.
nta but this isn't true for EVs. The overall car might be built slightly better, but "US" batteries are no different. If you buy a used EV you're either going to pay $20k for a new battery pack, or you're willing to sell the car after a couple years for virtually nothing because who wants a 10, 15, or 20 year old EV with a dead battery?';

'>>27632581
except you don't really need an EV. acquisition cost of a new car vs. the paid off ICE car you already have will take decades to break even on not paying for gas.

let the market come to you. if they want to make EV's happen so bad then they'll make the economics work. you get no bonus points for being an early adopter. just sit back.';

'>>27632599
>except you don't really need an EV
Sorry I thought the thread being about BYD vs Tesla the discussion was around EVs. Not a value proposition between new EVs and used ICE.';

'>>27630337
Isn't this what Harley did back when Reagan was president?';

'>>27632609
for any buyer who is looking to make the best long-term decision from a strictly financial perspective the conversation starts and ends with used ICE cars still. the fact that a $12k new car is out there (though unlikely to ever hit shores in America) is actually still not good enough to break that rule, especially when take into consideration how poorly made they are.';

'>>27632554
Buick sold 160k cars in the US alone last year';

'>>27632623
Why are you still making a financial argument for ICE cars? This is still a thread about BYD and Tesla.';

'>>27632641
because acksually anon this thread is about economy cars and why they aren't available in america hmmm';

'>>27632648
Because car makers know they can get bigger financing spliffs from financing a $100k car versus a $12k car. Plus the labor that goes into prepping and selling a car, you just have do that once for the more expensiver car versus 8 times for a cheesedick car.

They don't have an incentive to make economy cars, and haven't for the past 20 years because interest rates are still so low and terms are so long. Also, consumer habits in the US have changed. Nobody wants wretched little shitboxes brand new from the factory with 87 horsepower and less room than a closet. The mitsubishi mirage was the last car to sell under $20k and they're not selling in great numbers but are selling to actually broke people or businesses just wanting a cheap mode of getting employees around.';

'>>27632655
right, nobody competes in the segment. if you don't have economy cars on your lot, then people have no other but to buy the ostentatious paypig models.

in the eyes of the US, european and jap automakers letting the chinese in would be like letting the fox into the henhouse.';

'>>27632663
>right, nobody competes in the segment.
Have you figured out why, yet?';

'>>27632517
This is the sad reality of things. American automakers and others make tons of money off people financing or leasing $55k+ trucks through their credit division.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2020/02/03/fords-lending-arm-generating-profit-ever/41133523/
It’s like an addiction for them, but the customers keep coming. If they could have their way the entire market would be walled off and the used market decimated to keep prices high.';

'>>27632675
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they're not using shell corps to buy used cars just to crush them';

'>>27632622
refuse to change, ask for handouts, left in the dust, fade into irrelevance';

'>>27632694
I wouldn’t either.
The Covid “production shortages” are just the start.';

'>>27630714
>Chinese cars are less reliable than American or Italian cars.
Who cares if the parts are readily available and cheap, are you afraid of a little wrenchwork?

>Spend 50k on Amerishit
>Breaks down every 100k, costs 20k to repair, have to wait a month for the part to arrive.

>Spend 25k on Chinkshit
>Breaks down every 10k, costs 0.5k to repair, mail-order part arrives the next day

I call that a win.';

'>>27632799
I make up scenarios in my head too. But that doesn't reflect real world.';

'>>27632799
>t. 50 cent Army';

'>>27631339 >>27631676
>China has a problem with cheapening out.

Usability quality is sacficed in BYD cars probably because they lack sufficient integration teams to unify the design changes between each subassembly design team.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/roDwXQh0mdI

The other problem is that BYD quality results in a ton of "in warranty" service problems. But BYD has a history of brushing off warranty service.';

'>>27630337
>its Chinese
I mean, that's a reasonable objection. Anything Chinese can't be good for the rest of the human race.';

'>>27630328
>Why won't they allow BYD into America?

There is a problem not limited to just BYD, but some cars have their front doors jam shut in a collision strong enough to cause the A pillar to bend. The A-pillar bending is a symptom of the actual problem where the car body where the two door hinges get a crumple bend as well. This causes the doors to jam shut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbJ6HY8MBiY';

'>>27630328
Not banned but 25% tariff so they lose their competitive advantage
They're building buses in Canada and they count as NAFTA exempt so maybe they'll do the same with cars.';

'>>27634141
Look inside the device you posted this on';

'>>27630500
Honda makes a lot of stuff in Alabama I guess';

'>>27630328
BYD only sells well because China uses loss leader tactics so that their cars can dominate markets.';

'>>27637341
>BYD only sells well because China uses loss leader tactics
BYD also does shady statistical tricks with their car purchases in order to increase the number sold. For example, it creates other "independent" corporations that buy the created cars, thus generating new car sales statistics. It will then allow the purchased cars to sit in distribution waiting for actual buyers, leasers, sent overseas to buyers, or the car is recycled for its parts that are then fed into other cars.';

'>>27630500
I took one of the dash vents out of my JK Wrangler and it said "made in China" lol';

'all these filthy commies here defending these practices,if your murikan cars are so good then why do you have to ban other countries from selling their cars there?surely your products will end up coming on top trough the free market';

'>>27637495
There is no free trade of cars anywhere. Chinese import tariffs are 25%.';

'>>27637495
>why do you have to ban other countries from selling
There is no such thing as a genuinely free market for physical products. Regulations for both safety and warranted performance exist and persistent violators are prohibited from selling into such markets. The legal concept of "Warranty" also limits free markets as many durable goods are required to have a warranty. Requiring a warranty is not the sign of a free market but that the market has signficant regulation.

Drugs are a highly regulated market. I don't think most consumers want a free market for drugs. If the market was truly free, then drug quality would vary wildly and the amount of counterfeiting would be great. A genuine free market does not prevent counterfeits or enforce patents and copyrights.';

'>>27630328
>Why won't they allow BYD into America?
Chinese manufacturers have tried before, but their cars AS MANUFACTURED (for the chinese market) do not meet NHTSA performance and safety requirements. When they do redesign and manufacture the cars for the USA market, most of the low price advantage is lost (eg Buick designed and made in China).';

'>>27637727
>but their cars AS MANUFACTURED (for the chinese market) do not meet NHTSA performance and safety requirements
Neither do many American cars. Not that the NHTSA makes any sense to begin with:
>In 2010, NHTSA decided there weren’t enough heavy passenger cars on the market to justify using the same roof-crush standard, as Consumer Reports noted at the time. Now that cars have become heavier, and the average car in the U.S. is at least 12 years old, NHTSA’s safety standard has become outdated and dangerous.
>[...]
>So, while a vehicle that weighed 6,000 pounds had to withstand 18,000 pounds to be deemed safe in a rollover, one that weighed, say, 7000 pounds had to withstand only 10,500 pounds according to the NHTSA rule.
>https://jalopnik.com/many-cars-on-u-s-roads-do-not-meet-nhtsa-safety-standa-1849442634';

'>>27632517
您的账户已获得 20 个社会信用积分。感谢您对光荣的中华民国的爱国之情!';

'>>27632517
The BYD Seagull electric vehicle is a relatively new car launched in China in 2023. Currently it appears to be targeted for the Chinese market, and may not have been engineered to meet US safety standards.

I don't trust chinese battery packs. They are no where near Tesla in catching on fire after a year of use and vibration.';

'>>27637295
That proves his point though dude';

'ahh yes so happy to take derivery of my Brings Your Death Smeagol LiveLeak edition, chrina known for it excerrent build quarity';

'>>27632799
Blud is acting like a car that only has issues every 100k miles is a bad thing lmao';

'>>27639772
BYD makes EV that catches on fire far more often than Tesla on a per capita basis. Additionally, Tesla aren't known for catching on fire in accidents, but BYD electrics already have a reputation for catching on fire after collisions.';

'>>27630328
Americans are afraid of real competition. They brag about muh free market but their own manufacturers are scared shitless of superior cars like the Hilux.';

'>>27640535
>like the Hilux.
I wonder if it were possible for toyota who builds trucks in Texas to build the hilux in texas to bypass a chicken tax and all the other emissions/crash test bullshit? There isn't a way that doesn't have anything to do with the overpriced luxury vehicles americans will go into lifetime debt for to make stupid amounts of profit versus an affordable vehicle? oh okay.';

'>>27630328
>Why won't they allow BYD into America?
Because America has at least a modicum of value for human life.';

'>>27637495
>if your product is good cheap chink knockoffs will not penetrate the market for the poorfags
Economic literacy is a serious problem.';

'>27630714
>Spend 25k on Chinkshit
>Breaks down every 10k, costs 0.5k to repair, mail-order part arrives the next day
>I call that a win.

If your car is breaking down every 10K kms, it's shit and not something to be proud of.

While some people on /o/ might have no problem wrenching a chinese car, you and I both know that the kinds of people who would buy a chinese car are the same as those who already buy mitsubishi; they've never touched a socket wrench in their lives.

If you think those with low income and poor credit are going to pick up a wrench and be happy their chinese car broke down again after only 10K kms because they get to wrench, you're deluded.';

'>>27641086
What's wrong with Mitsubishi? I was ogling a VR6 Galant';

'>>27641099
>VR6 Galant
I'm talking about nu-mitsubishi; effectively everything from 2012 onwards.';

'>>27632799
>BUCKBROKEN MENTALITY

cars lasting 10k new is not a good sign of reliability you fool, in the end you are spending more for the same cheap car over time rather than a new western one.

also mail order parts HAHAHAHAHAHA good fucking luck if your reliable parts seller doesn't scam you with a cheap pig iron imitation and paying the same price as an original factory one given the record of chaboduo scams that usualy China does.';