'Saw a zenit 3m at the thrifts today for 35 bux with the early 13 bladed helios but i didnt feel like buying it.

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'>>4287437
J-3s can actually be decent. Their main problem is that they're all fuckin old and most of them are scratched.';

'so what is the difference? like every ussr glass is somehow a replica of german or some other western glass that lost the war';

'I bought a Zorki 4 6-7 years ago for about £40 I think? Came with a jupiter 8 lens and a little carry case. its a very good looking camera, very instagram-able, mine is dated 1963 and has Cyrillic cursive on the front, which I think is really nice.

I don't like using it though, the one roll I've shot with it came out like crap, all the negatives were misaligned so either I loaded it wrong or Western imperialist spies were working at the KMZ factory the day mine was made. Still probably the closest I'll come to owning an old Leica.';

'>>4287462
You get gems like this one from Belomo. There was never a multicoated Biotar 58.';

'>>4287462
Actually, while many soviet lenses were copies, there also was a huge amount of original developments.

The most famous are Tair series and MTO series. Those are some crazy tele with sharp image in focus and nice bokeh.elsewhere. The only reason I don't own Tair-3 not to say MTO, is that I really dunno what to do with such a length, 200mm is a highest point for my purposes. Tair-11 will probably come in my hands sooner or later.

Also thee was a lense with very interesting development history, but crap image — Telemar-22.';

'>>4287442
>>4287494
My rule of thumb is that generally soviet lenses are great, but soviet cameras are crap except for direct copies of very old RF (Zorki 1, Moskva-2).

The frames were misaligned not because those reasons, but because film movement mechanism in Zorki 4 was a disaster. And in every model of Zenit series same mechanism is so infamous, it's not a disaster already, it's an apocalyptic catastrophe. I don't know why it was so hard to make those right in Soviet Unoin, but even Kiev-88 hassel copy from completely different factory had same mechanism functioning worse than if was made of lego bricks, with a sound of thousand cars crushing every time you rewind your shutter.

Also, both Zenit and Hasselbladski were unreliable to the point it's fascinating. It's now a matter if it breaks, it's a matter when it breaks.

There were an economical and political reasons for all of that and now just «yoo, planned economics are a joke». Basically, they had reasons to make Zenit bad on purpose and forbid to project a better cameras in USSR: soviets made and agreement with DDR, that germans will make professional cameras for all Eastern Block, and that's how Praktica did happen, while Union focused on making amateur cameras and cheap as possible.';

'>>4287572
Zenit cameras are the shit, and I mean that literally.';

'>>4287572
explains why the praktica dtl3 i had many years ago that had basically been forgotten for 30 years and then put back into use by me just worked no questions asked, even with the original 90's battery lmao';

'>>4287572
Say what you like, the Zorki 3M is an absolutely gorgeous camera and a joy to use.';

'>>4287765
Too bad it's rare and expensive, and at that point I'd rather get the Leningrad, or for normal shooting, Canon P. Still, this is the only good looking Zorki. They really fucked it up with 3S.

>>4287451
I have one on the way, impulse purchase. Seems not scratched, but also not the earliest model. Curious how it will stack up against Canon 50 1.8 LTM.

>>4287598
This, just get a Praktica if you want a Soviet bloc M42 camera, or embrace Kiev 19 for F mount. Zenits with their APS-C sized mirror (viewfinder that shows 65% or so of the full image...) and very limited shutter speeds are only good for an ashtray.

Soviet glass in my experience ain't great either. Helios 44 is ok in the center but corners never get good, Jupiter-8 I sold immediately, unusable wide open, Jupiter-9 was soap town so I guess good for dreamy portraits? Jupiter-11A was actually good though, and so was Tair-3S, but making telephoto lenses is far easier. Hopefully the 3 will be fine...';

'>>4287437
I like east german glass because my nosy ass needs that close focus distance to survive. Also the Jena lenses were cheap at one point. People might not have realized the "Aus Jena" lenes are Tessars but the Pancolars got stupid expensive recently. Between all these lenses I and now digging for a nice Fujica to make the most of them since Praktica VLCs are so rare here and Spotmatic prices are idiotic.

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'>>4287803
Tell me more what was wrong with J-8.

And speaking of J-9, let me guess, early silver casing version? It's garbage, buy black 70s-80s version and image quality will become better not just a lot, but actually it's my favorite lense. I literally shot it for OP-pic.';

'>>4287437
I had something similar to this camera lens combination and I loved it';

'>>4287852
The pentacon 1.8 is literally just a Pancolar with slightly better coating anyway.

Now this little thing is something that I want to try, I just hope that my B100 holds just as good as my M42 Prakticas.

I had a Bx20 for a short while and while it was fun it shat the bed after 3 rolls, but at least by feel alone the B100 feels much more solid build.';

'>>4287946
I'm pretty sure the Pentacon 1.8 is an Mayer Optik Oreston, not a Pancolar.

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'>>4287437
I tried east german camera gear once and came to the conclusion that its almost entirely garbage only good for looking like a gear enthusiast/camera repair hobbyist on the internet. The crappiest, lowest end canon point and shoot will serve you better.

Japanese cameras are simply superior in every way which is why zeiss just makes rifle scopes and industrial/medical optics and all the picture taking business goes straight to canon';

'>>4288014
I tried japanese camera gear once and came to the conclusion that its almost entirely garbage only good for looking like a gear enthusiast/camera repair hobbyist on the internet. The crappiest, lowest end contax point and shoot will serve you better.

german cameras are simply superior in every way which is why nikon just makes rifle scopes and industrial/medical optics and all the picture taking business goes straight to leica';

'>>4288028
Try effort this time.';

'>>4288014
>canon
ewww
at least pentax or nikon, canon is lowest of the lowest.';

'>>4288044
>at least pentax or nikon, canon is lowest of the lowest.
canon: made in japan
nikon: made in thailand
pentax: made in philippines
your opinion: made in your asshole';

'>>4288057
I like Minolta, and by extension find Seagulls and Pear River cams to be interesting. I wonder if anyone on the english speaking internet has tried their older glass, outside of the bottom end Phenix-510.

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'>>4288057
fuck off zipperhead, they arr rook the same';

'>>4287932
I don't recognize the lens, what is it?';

'>>4288183
It's a later black version of Jupiter-9. Far better than silver one from 60s, because of better construction, coating, etc. I had both and bulked silver one, while this little thing became my favorite.';

'Speaking of so, Jupiter-9 with macro ring.';

'I have a Aus Jena tessar but the aperture blades are stuck completely. Is it worth trying to open and clean the rear of the blades without disassembling it or should I just dump it for $40?';

'>>4289989
Look into youtube they are easy to clean';

'>>4287442

Should have grabbed it, that lens is revered as the best version of the Helios especially if it has the red P on it. I paid 200 bucks for mine but it was the red p, 13 blade, s/n under 10000, absolutely flawless optics, CLA with new grease.

>>4287765

My favorite version of the Zorki, aside from the Drug

>>4287803

As long as it's from 1950-1970 you're fine. It's soft wide open on the edges of things, dreamy and since it's a Sonnar copy, beautiful bokeh and cleans up nicely past f2.8. It's a daily driver on my FED-5b

>>4287925

J8 copies vary in quality, I have a nice 1961 copy that makes good images. There are variations in assembly sometimes they left the factory with elements installed backwards or spacers missing

J9 is a good lens if you find a late 50's red P model. again, variations. Mine is a good copy but it took 3 lenses to get it. I did have to give it a full CLA but once I greased it and cleaned the rear element and got the correct spacers it's a winner.

>>4289989

If this is an auto-aperture don't flush it, you have to pull the aperture assembly and do it right. But you can do it quick and dirty with naptha and a Q-tip, I didn't tell you that though. It's fairly easy to get apart and worth a good cleaning, I have a Domiplan which is kinda-sorta the same thing and I do love it. Compact, light, decent stopped down.

posting my Leningrad with red p J-3 for tax';

'>>4290234
yeah but im never gonna use it and i dont wanna be a faggot that separates the lens from the camera and resells it';

'>>4290234
Maybe you can help me.

I'm in a desperate search of good 50mm for OP-pic mirrorless with ultra-low budget. The Jupiter-8 of mine does not meet my image quality needs. It's a very early 50s version with extra grip on focusing ring (that's why I bought it). You probably understand the trouble with shooting color images.

I'm already thinking of idiotic variants like cheap lens for Fuji from freaking Aliexpress (that will probably ruin the image in another way, bc of poor optical parameters as well), or extending budget up to Takumar 50mm, while actually I can't.

Speaking ontopic.Can you suggest how to buy another Jupiter-8 the right war? Will later black casing version spare me from optical problems of the lense I already have, or should I look for something more specific and rare? There are some entries that promise Jupiters made of german lens-blocks, if we believe those guys are not shitting us, will it boost the result in a significant way, or have basically the same shitty coating with just a bit better glass?';

'>>4290245
>or extending budget up to Takumar 50mm
they are like 30 bucks what are you on

Just use a hood you stupid fuck';

'>>4290245
L39 is not the mount for you if you want a cheap 50mm with actual quality control, Serenar, Nipon Kogaku, and Leitz glass all costs a shit tonne. Hexanon glass is great for bottomfeeders and the adapters are relatively short as far as SLR lenses go.';

'>>4287572
>Basically, they had reasons to make Zenit bad on purpose and forbid to project a better cameras in USSR: soviets made and agreement with DDR, that germans will make professional cameras for all Eastern Block,
What a commytard's bullshit? Any proofs for this statement?
Right now we have the only one proof - they were pissed off by the fact that all organizations related to photography use japanese cameras. And they knew that all soviet made cameras are garbage. There is the GOI report on this https://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/misc/report-goi-professional-reliability.html
>germans will make professional cameras for all Eastern Block
Also, m42 professional Practicas in F/FD-mounted cameras era. Cool story. Tel mor, tovarisch.';

'>>4290245

If you're just adapting to mirrorless with no plans to use it on an actual LTM camera, my personal weapon of choice is the Rikenon 55/1.4, got one free with a Ricoh TLS401 I did a CLA on, then had to do the CLA on the lens too. Optically it is very good and wide open its soft in all the right places.

The problem is, almost every single lens made before the advent of C41 film is going to be single coat and optimized for black and white film.

You're not going to find anything really decent under 50 bucks because clout chasers and YT gear jews have driven up the prices on almost everything in the name of views and subscibes. The Rikenon can be found cheap because it's not a Zeiss Pancolar or an 8-element Super-Tak.

Color can be done in Lightroom. Here's some Jupiter 3 50/1.5 on C41 Superia';

'>>4290383
Well.I ended up succumbing to buying SMC Takumar. Mostly bc I realized what you're talking about: even in soviet line there are just no lenses meeting both price and quality conditions I was looking for. There's no cheat code, sadly.

But if you know, actually, something about buying best Jupiter-8 possible, I'd buy it additionally some later.';

'>>4290391

The J8 is cheap for a reason. There's nothing particularly special about them unless its one with a focusing arm and a red P, which means it came off a Leningrad, but optically they are the same.

They need a little bit of love in post to come out but they're okay. They're better than a Tessar, because its faster, but not better than a Sonnar J3, because its slower. The Tessar has good contrast, especially the later I-61 L/D and the Sonnar has both speed and contrast.

It's middle of the road, but if you're shooting black and white film, which is what it's coated for, and stop it down to f/8 or f/11, it's a clear winner in my book. I loved the one my Leningrad came with and I still use it on one of my FED cameras.

Want a nice one? Find one with a serial number beginning in 50-70, and preferrably with English writing, they are export models and are built to a better standard. If it's a black one on a Zorki-4, those are marginally better as they were export models, same English lettering applies.';

'>>4290434
> I-61

Almost bought it recently, but awful aperture stopped me.

Anyway, thanks for advice. I shot a lot b/w film with J-8 and it did good, but seems like buying new variant will not make working with color digital image any better. Damn.';

'>>4290447

The model that came with the FED-4 has a 9 blade aperture I think, it's the black and silver one. Not the ugly 6 blade one on later 5s.';

'>>4287437
i have a brute of a camera, A kiev 6c. waiting to see if the images out of it have bad spacing issues or not.

ive been looking at a camera upgrade to a K1 so i can use M42 soviet/ DDR glass. is it worthit?';

'>>4290500
I guess a full frame K-Mount DSLR is cheaper than a full frame Sony A7 or Panasonic whatever. Still, a lot of K-mount to M42 adapter rings really sucked so watch out for that.';

'>>4287437
I'm really digging this lens I got in a job lot that was mostly digicams and corroded xenon flashes but now that I've checked the used prices I am almost afraid of it. It sucks when the echo chamber actually targets good gear because this lens fucks but I also can't recommend it at all for the lunatic sums it goes for online.
It resolves detail more sharply than my "Tomioka" 55mm f1.4, KMZ Helios 44-2, Fujinon 1.8, Chinon 1.7, or any other M42 prime I own, the colors are great like the Jena Tessar, and the coatings make flaring a non-problem. Yet for the price the answer is that it simply isn't worth it. Buy a late generation "Aus Jena" Tessar, they're still $50 on a good day. This lens is nice but it sure as hell isn't $125 nicer than Tessar.';

'>>4287572
it sounds like you're saying, i should get a praktika and not something else?

that kiev-88 medium format seems like it could be fun though..';

'>>4291902
Unironically, you should get Pentax with soviet lenses.

Kiev-88 might be an option, but remember one thing. It will break. This is not the matter of will it or not, this is the matter of when and you should make a bet that damn soon. If you have an access to repairman who can do soviet cameras, or you're fine with having more of a short-lasting toy than a camera, this one is for you.';

'>>4291907
im in moscow. does that change things?

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'>>4291908
Towards very good direction, since there's shit ton of repairsmen willing to fuck around with Kievs at your place, and also you can buy one within a day. I'd say, go on.';

'>>4291908
That changes everything because all the film camera repair people will be familiar with various "domestic" models and easily work on them. In North America by comparison no camera shops want to touch FSU cameras due to how "exotic" they seem and their lack of English documentation. People would rather repair familiar Japanese cameras and recommend just the eastern bloc glass to anyone who is curious.
If you are actually in Moscow buy a Leningrad off Avito for ~6000₽ and have fun shooting cheap rolls of aerochrome through it.';

'>>4292193
>Leningrad off Avito for ~6000₽ and have fun shooting cheap rolls of aerochrome through it.

Living my dreams I see';

'>>4292198
It's just a dream for me as well. In reality I am what some would call "on the other fucking side of the planet" relative to Moscow. I'd be more likely to find a actual Leica than to find one of these below $250usd on this continent. Idk maybe some Russian autist out there dreams of being in my shoes, running Ultramax 400 through a $20 Graphic 35. Greener grass and all that...';

'>>4291811
afaik the rule of thumb with that is to hunt down a PK-M42 adapter made by pentax themselves and use that';

'>>4287437
Between a LZOS Industar 61 L/Z and a Zeiss Jena Tessar which is preferable as a cheap M42 commie prime?
I already own a decent takumar f2 50mm, I am just curious about these two for the price and novelty.
I understand they are fundamentally the same design made with good glass and both tend to go for $40-70 on a good day depending on how hard shipping screws you. Are they anything other than within margin of error of each other?';

'>>4292916
Early white version of CZJ Tessar has significantly better aperture than I-61, but I bet worse coating. Others are basically same shit.';

'>>4292934
Not OP commenter, I have a Zebra Tessar but like many DDR lenses the aperture seized due to old grease so I need to open it up from behind and clean it. If the aperture on the LZ is worse than that it must really suck. Do you mean that it's less reliable or that it just has a funky shape?
Also the Zeiss Jena lenses seem to have more vibrant colors, not sure if that's a coating meant more for black and white contrast or a warm tint but is the 61LZ lens similar or more neutral than that?

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'>>4291907
>>4287572
>It's now a matter if it breaks, it's a matter when it breaks.
Yeah, no shit. OG Hassy was to be CLA'd once a year per Hasselblad's own recommendations, and Kievs not only didn't have CLA ever, they are now working on solidified lubricant which puts unimaginable amounts of stress on very delicate parts';

'>>4287572
>Basically, they had reasons to make Zenit bad on purpose and forbid to project a better cameras in USSR: soviets made and agreement with DDR
That's bullshit, and there are Kiev-10, 15, 17, 20 and 19. Kiev 20 is the best 35mm SLR ever made in SU/Eastern block btw';

'>>4292193
thanks anon

why a leningrad over a praktika, pentax, or the kiev 88? the praktika kind of appeals to me because it wont break and is reliable, looks like 4-5k on avito, the pentax bc ppl say its a better camera and will work with soviet glass, and the kiev 88 because medium format would be cool to fuck around with, plus the odd form factor of the camera';

'>>4293131
Tы зaбывaeшь чтo пpaктики oчeнь чacтo юзaли бoмбилы, и y них мoжeт быть тyпo выpaбoтaн pecypc зaтвopa. Лeнингpaд дo yжaca кaпpизный, 88 я бы дoвepил тoлькo дeдaм кoтopыe eщё пpи coвeтaх их чинили, и тo нe вceм
Пo фaктy oптимaльный вapиaнт-пeнь либo Киeв+любoй cф Киeв, нo пocлe CLA нe caмoyчкoй
TL;DR don't buy a praktica it's most likely mechanucally fucked';

'Recently got a Praktica "F.X3"
While my logical brain knows that waist level finders make no sense on a 35mm and every digital camera ever has a "live preview" my monkey brain is dazzled by the magic mirror box every single time I open it.
The Primoplan 50mm 3.5 that came with it is kind of underwhelming though. The fact that it is so dim is ironic when the camera's party piece depends heavily on how much light gets in.';

'>>4294336
The above pic was basically the moment I unboxed it after slapping a faster lens on it, I thoroughly wiped it down since then.';

'>>4294336
>my monkey brain is dazzled by the magic mirror box every single time I open it.
You mean, by the Joy Of Reflex(TM)';

'>>4287437
I have a Fed 2b and Fed 4b both with industar 50mm lenses. Fun to use but they have issues on slower shutter speeds, more so with the Fed 2 as it's old as shit and has never been serviced.
Here is a shot of my neighbors cat I got with the Fed 2

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'We're at a point where "vintage" analog glass gets auctioned off for more than a focal equivalent modern chinkshit f0.69 lens with IQ so sharp you can cut yourself with it once stopped down to like f2.8, where the film era lenses are still mired in coma, bloom, low contrast, flaring. Especially with western prices of eastern bloc lenses. I started out with film and moved up to mirrorless for the infinite cheap/old system adaptability but if I'm to choose between a $125 17mm f2.8 vivitar that still looks shit with sperical aberration and an uneven focusing plane at f8 or a $190 18mm f2.8 that's sharper wide open, has autofocus etc, unless you're a masochist or want to use it with film, it's a no-brainer.

Eastern bloc glass is only worth it when you're starting out, to learn the focals, or if you're after that le veentage look.

Pic related, the Jupiter-8 I don't use because I found an f1.05 7artisans chinkshit that's sharper at f2 than the jupiter at f8 for 100eur. Have fun with your cheap shit lenses, brothers. I know I did.';

'>>4298447
>started out with film and moved up to mirrorless
>up
> shills chinkshit
Post photos, I bet you're an awesome photographer lol';

'>>4298459
film or digital photos? I don't want to derail a thread. I don't shill chinkshit, I have extensive experience with eastern bloc optics (only cheap available ones for me) and with Christopher Frost(tm) approved chinkshits and anything modern runs laps around the old film primes. I had my fill of $10 50mm primes, now I want something sharp corner to corner without needing to stop down to f8. Simple as.';

'Anon, I know you want to show some tripfag what for and feel the dopamine rush of arguing online, but don't derail a themed thread. RPT or OP photodumps are fair game, sure, but this isn't your personal playground. Be mindful of others. I don't aspire to be or think I'm any good, I've just dipped my toes in many formats and mediums and have accumulated experience that lets me state shit.

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'Chinkshits are just computer-designed, copying-whatever-best-contemporary-companies-do-but-cheaper properly multicoated superior optics doing shit impossible or prohibitively expensive in the film era. Again, if you shoot film the point is moot, but using old glass on digital nowadays with this alternative available is either masochism or purposeful artistic intent(tm)

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'>>4298467
why did you post 3 times? You have decent shots, but I think posting pics from phone camera counts as derailment more than me
>Chinkshits are just computer-designed
Lenses are computer-designed since late 70s, anon. Chink shit is just too insectoid to work beautifully
>if you shoot film the point is moot
lmao. Anything digital ~25Mp and lower is equal or worse than film in resolution. Not to mention tonal and color range, that's where insectoid shit really starts to look ugly. FYI, soviet lenses arent just helios 44 and non-coated Jupiters. There's a shitton of good and fairly modern designs';

'>>4298486
>retarded film worshiping gearfag gets angry because someone posted photos on /p/';

'>>4298489
I'm not angry lol. Just pointing out that this is not a mobile photography thread';

'>>4298486
>There's a shitton of good and fairly modern designs

Name them, then.

>>4298494
It's always safer to assume something ridiculously stupid is bait, but for the sake of assuming you're an idiot instead of a troll, what on earth made you think any of the 3 photos I posed were taken by a phone camera?

>>4298494
Nothing wrong with film, brother. Great medium if used correctly.';

'>>4298499
>what on earth made you think
The way they look. I've looked up the exif now, sorry. I've genuinely thought they are from a phone
>Name them, then.
Kaleinar 5n, Mir 73, 67, Telear n. Anything made by Arsenal, honestly, and especially the later versions branded "Arsat". And that plastic Zenitar, shit's super sharp and cheap
pic to stay on topic, shot on non-MC scratched Granit 11

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'>>4298447
Personally I only have the lenses I do because I am an actual bottomfeeder.
Hell, 90% of the reason I got into 35mm at all was because I kept finding 35mm cameras with great glass for cheaper than the glass on its own. Part of that included Prakticas being >$30 every time I see one and knowing they all come with banger kit lenses, got lucky a few times and scored some Jena lenses that way. I also found a Kalimar Zenit at a garage sale for $30 with an export-model Helios so that was nice. It's no different to me than finding a Spotmatic with some nice Takumar glass or a beat up Mamiya/Ricoh with a 55mm 1.4 still glued to it. Considering these Chinese lenses go for $100 that still places them beyond the reach of my grabby racoon hands in comparison.

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'YOU DONT NEED LEICA CAMERA THAT COST MORE THAN AVERAGE SOVIET HOUSEWIFE

YOU DONT NEED IMPERIALIST JAP CANNON OR NIKON THAT SHOOT 13 FRAMES PER SECOND OF CAT ON AMERICAN LAZEEEE-BOY SOFA

YOU DONT NEED POLAROID CAMERA TO TAKE PICTURE FOR TUMBLING WEBSITE OF HIPSTER

BUY SOVIET RANGEFINDER CAM. A FINE ZENIT OR ZORKI MADE FROM BASTARD NAZI DESIGN AFTER SOVIET ARMY HUMILIATE THEM. BUY 5CM LENS. LEARN TO COMPOSE SUBJECT BEFOREHANDS. LEARN HOW SUBJECT INTERACT IN AND OUT OF FRAME.

SHOOT BLACK AND WHITE FILM. DONT SHOOT KODAK SLIDE FILM OUT-OF-DATE AND DEVELOP IN DRUGGIST PHOTOMACHINE. THAT MAKES YOU HIPSTER ASSHOLE WHO RELIES ON MISTAKES. MISTAKES GET YOU KILLED LIKE BASTARD NAZI ARMY WHO DECIDE TO FIGHT IN WINTER OF OUR GLORIOUS MOTHERLAND.

YOU DONT NEED KODAK CAMERA OF CAPITALIST MYSPACE RETARD GIRL. GO AND TAKE PICTURES LIKE GREAT SOVIET MAN

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'>>4298585
CHAIKA STRONG';

'>>4298585
but saccharose, i WANT the leica camera
now what do i do?

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'Bokeh tests with my new early Silver Helios 44 Start 13 Blade Biotar design KMZ lens. Can't wait to get some subjects in front of these background. Loving the swirly bokeh it produces.

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'>>4298919
These are used with an adapter on my R5

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'>>4298594

REPORT TO TOWN CENTER AT 0700 FOR POLITICAL RE-EDUCATION COMRADE';

'>>4298986
it may or may not be too late';

'>>4298987

PLEASE FACE THE WALL';

'>>4298991
You too will find yourself with a red dot in your life before you die Ivan, either in your hands or on your forehead.
Its your choice.';

'>>4298992

IS NOT REAL LEICA, IS NKVD FED WITH FAKE LEICA LETTERING. DID NOT LOOT FROM BODY OF NAZI BASTARD, PROMISE';

'>>4298995
Mmm that lettering looks a bit TOO good not to be made by decadent german hands..
Are you by any chance hiding wealth from the union "comrade"?';

'>>4298998

MIND YOUR BUSINESS FOR THE PARTY COMRADE';

'>>4299006
shhhhhh, dw we both got secrets

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'Might try to get one of these off taobao:
>minolta sr-mount
>removable viewfinder
>essentially a Minolta SR-2 with Nikon-F features gafted to it, mirror lock-up, split image viewfinder, 1/1000 cloth shutter
>comes with a biotar/helios clone of unknown quality

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'>>4299710
Get it solely for the fact that its brand new, if sr2's are still alive, this thing will outlast you.';

'>>4299823
It is very much not new in box, the reason I would have to use taobao over AliExpress is because it's used goods.';